ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MLSN will add U11-12 for BY feeder system. GA going to add biobanding option.
Both plan on staying birth year.

That's like buying a cow just to drink milk.

MLSN will stay top dog no matter its BY or SY. All that trouble just to stay BY ? For what ?

There is absolutely no incentive for pay to play MLSN team to stay in BY. As long as MLS Academy BY team is fine to play against pay to play MLSN SY team, then it is just pure stupid for MLSN to stay in BY alone.

MLSN will do whatever MLS tells them to do. What don’t you understand about that. If that means everyone else is SY and they have to recruit for players for their By teams then that’s what they will do.

I’ve talked with my sons coach/director at MLSN club he doesn’t see it as an issue because MLSN has biobanding and they will just recruit the best kids within BY system and add additional SY strong players with biobanding if needed.

I don't think you understand...MLS isn't deluded into thinking that only Q1/Q2 kid are worthy of a spot in their academy's, it's a business and it is profitable to sell kids to the premier league who high value kids born in the Q4. The 9/1 date didn't come out of the blue, it was the date that aligns with the UK who obviously still operates under FIFA rules.

🤣🤣🤣

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MLSN will add U11-12 for BY feeder system. GA going to add biobanding option.
Both plan on staying birth year.

That's like buying a cow just to drink milk.

MLSN will stay top dog no matter its BY or SY. All that trouble just to stay BY ? For what ?

There is absolutely no incentive for pay to play MLSN team to stay in BY. As long as MLS Academy BY team is fine to play against pay to play MLSN SY team, then it is just pure stupid for MLSN to stay in BY alone.

MLSN will do whatever MLS tells them to do. What don’t you understand about that. If that means everyone else is SY and they have to recruit for players for their By teams then that’s what they will do.

I’ve talked with my sons coach/director at MLSN club he doesn’t see it as an issue because MLSN has biobanding and they will just recruit the best kids within BY system and add additional SY strong players with biobanding if needed.

MLS Next does not recruit. Clubs do. You don't play for MLS Next. You play for a club. This is not complicated. Why is it so hard to understand.

Because clubs play in…drum roll please…
💥LEAGUES!!!💥

And leagues makes rules that the clubs have to follow to be part of…

Say it with me…

LEAGUES!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There's going to be a lot disappointment by the posters here. Clubs are too busy to do much beyond their normal scouting/recruiting to do all the dreams posted here. Yes, they'll start to eye sept-Q4 players where that makes sense, especially those already on their clubs, but the main focus for 25/26 will be making those 25/26 teams the strongest they can be. And then they'll start to pivot to 26/27.

Sounds like wishful thinking by a Q1 parent who believes literally nothing will change in 25/26. You could be right. You could also be wrong.

“Sounds like wishful thinking”…”You could be right…”

So dumb. Why even try to do the birth Q v birth Q crap when you’re just spewing dumb takes?

It’s basically “unnecessary barb” followed by meaninglessness.

Your DCUM post isn’t going to help your kid make an ECNL roster, nor is their birth month…talking about wishful thinking.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There's going to be a lot disappointment by the posters here. Clubs are too busy to do much beyond their normal scouting/recruiting to do all the dreams posted here. Yes, they'll start to eye sept-Q4 players where that makes sense, especially those already on their clubs, but the main focus for 25/26 will be making those 25/26 teams the strongest they can be. And then they'll start to pivot to 26/27.

Sounds like wishful thinking by a Q1 parent who believes literally nothing will change in 25/26. You could be right. You could also be wrong.

It's what I'm already seeing -- where clubs as much as they can are punting these decisions/moves until next year, especially whenever parents start asking questions. People here think there's all this time for these clubs to strategize and find the best sept-Q4 players and how to bring them in now. There's no time for that. If anything, it's more parents who will lead any change of clubs this year and xyz popular club might be the beneficiary. Then again, that type of movement happens every year as antsy parents look for better options for their kids.

On the other side of the coin, all it takes is one club to start amassing Q4's and the lid comes off for everyone.

🤦🏻‍♀️ yes…because the most important thing about roster building is amazing birth quarters…

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There's going to be a lot disappointment by the posters here. Clubs are too busy to do much beyond their normal scouting/recruiting to do all the dreams posted here. Yes, they'll start to eye sept-Q4 players where that makes sense, especially those already on their clubs, but the main focus for 25/26 will be making those 25/26 teams the strongest they can be. And then they'll start to pivot to 26/27.

Sounds like wishful thinking by a Q1 parent who believes literally nothing will change in 25/26. You could be right. You could also be wrong.

It's what I'm already seeing -- where clubs as much as they can are punting these decisions/moves until next year, especially whenever parents start asking questions. People here think there's all this time for these clubs to strategize and find the best sept-Q4 players and how to bring them in now. There's no time for that. If anything, it's more parents who will lead any change of clubs this year and xyz popular club might be the beneficiary. Then again, that type of movement happens every year as antsy parents look for better options for their kids.

On the other side of the coin, all it takes is one club to start amassing Q4's and the lid comes off for everyone.

That's not how it happens, tho. These top places hold ID sessions and open practices and people show up. Over-eager parents email to get their kid a session at a practice. And this is kids of all birth months. If someone they like ends up being septQ4, all that does is give the new club more options, especially into the future. That's about it. If you think there's more going on, you've got an overactive imagination.

You must not be in the highly valued class of players, the players that get scholarships to clubs, this is how it works in that world.

You’re an idiot. My kid is one of those tippy top kids in a tippy top club, playing 2 years up.

PP is spot on. They’re not looking at your birth month. If you’re lights out and Q4 going against a lights out Q2, the team is taking both. On a 22-28 person roster, even for Hoge, there is a lot of fat that can be trimmed. Even in YNT, which my DD is on, there is a lot of fat that can be trimmed. There is a very small pool of truly elite talent, and then there is a much larger pool of roster fillers. Don’t kid yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:There's going to be a lot disappointment by the posters here. Clubs are too busy to do much beyond their normal scouting/recruiting to do all the dreams posted here. Yes, they'll start to eye sept-Q4 players where that makes sense, especially those already on their clubs, but the main focus for 25/26 will be making those 25/26 teams the strongest they can be. And then they'll start to pivot to 26/27.

Sounds like wishful thinking by a Q1 parent who believes literally nothing will change in 25/26. You could be right. You could also be wrong.

It's what I'm already seeing -- where clubs as much as they can are punting these decisions/moves until next year, especially whenever parents start asking questions. People here think there's all this time for these clubs to strategize and find the best sept-Q4 players and how to bring them in now. There's no time for that. If anything, it's more parents who will lead any change of clubs this year and xyz popular club might be the beneficiary. Then again, that type of movement happens every year as antsy parents look for better options for their kids.

On the other side of the coin, all it takes is one club to start amassing Q4's and the lid comes off for everyone.

That's not how it happens, tho. These top places hold ID sessions and open practices and people show up. Over-eager parents email to get their kid a session at a practice. And this is kids of all birth months. If someone they like ends up being septQ4, all that does is give the new club more options, especially into the future. That's about it. If you think there's more going on, you've got an overactive imagination.

You must not be in the highly valued class of players, the players that get scholarships to clubs, this is how it works in that world.

I'm familiar with player movements on the top tier clubs in our area (some of which have won their respective national titles) and what I describe is what happens. .... And honestly, you know all those super elite players play up and BY/SY isn't as important, really.

If a club is competitive at all they have been talking about this switch for a good part of a year, even if they haven't said anything publicly. More information will come out as we get closer to tryouts, they know who the q4 kids are that can make a difference and if not, you may want to look elsewhere.

This is the most telegraphed change ever and as you said, clubs would have to be way behind the curve to not have a plan in place. Anyone who doesn't realize this is just burying their heads in the sand.

Actually, you don’t know what you don’t know. ECNL communicated to clubs in the Fall that it was only rumor and to continue with business as usual. Meanwhile they were actively working behind the scenes for a much larger change that didn’t pan out. There are lots of clubs, some tightly connected to USCS, that are still pissed at ECNL and USCS. Hence why USSF circumvented the leagues and committee and sent a survey directly to the clubs. USSF board was not excited about this change and how it was done in committee.

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So the players and parents suffer through a lame duck year because some clubs didn’t get their way and are still pissed at ecnl.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So the players and parents suffer through a lame duck year because some clubs didn’t get their way and are still pissed at ecnl.

Yeah, playing elite youth soccer at some of its highest levels is .... suffering?

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Anonymous wrote:So the players and parents suffer through a lame duck year because some clubs didn’t get their way and are still pissed at ecnl.

We know for a fact that there will be transitional guidance for 25/26 by US Soccer. If the guidance was going to be absolutely nothing changes until 26/27, they would have already done that.

The Q1 parents are hanging onto hope that at least their clubs won’t make a change until 26/27 because tryouts always happened. That’s definitely possible. But it doesn’t mean other clubs might not make SY teams next year for some / all competitions - if that’s part of the transitional guidance.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So the players and parents suffer through a lame duck year because some clubs didn’t get their way and are still pissed at ecnl.

We know for a fact that there will be transitional guidance for 25/26 by US Soccer. If the guidance was going to be absolutely nothing changes until 26/27, they would have already done that.

The Q1 parents are hanging onto hope that at least their clubs won’t make a change until 26/27 because tryouts always happened. That’s definitely possible. But it doesn’t mean other clubs might not make SY teams next year for some / all competitions - if that’s part of the transitional guidance.

Unless the guidance is how to reset your computer scheduling programs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There's going to be a lot disappointment by the posters here. Clubs are too busy to do much beyond their normal scouting/recruiting to do all the dreams posted here. Yes, they'll start to eye sept-Q4 players where that makes sense, especially those already on their clubs, but the main focus for 25/26 will be making those 25/26 teams the strongest they can be. And then they'll start to pivot to 26/27.

Sounds like wishful thinking by a Q1 parent who believes literally nothing will change in 25/26. You could be right. You could also be wrong.

It's what I'm already seeing -- where clubs as much as they can are punting these decisions/moves until next year, especially whenever parents start asking questions. People here think there's all this time for these clubs to strategize and find the best sept-Q4 players and how to bring them in now. There's no time for that. If anything, it's more parents who will lead any change of clubs this year and xyz popular club might be the beneficiary. Then again, that type of movement happens every year as antsy parents look for better options for their kids.

On the other side of the coin, all it takes is one club to start amassing Q4's and the lid comes off for everyone.

That's not how it happens, tho. These top places hold ID sessions and open practices and people show up. Over-eager parents email to get their kid a session at a practice. And this is kids of all birth months. If someone they like ends up being septQ4, all that does is give the new club more options, especially into the future. That's about it. If you think there's more going on, you've got an overactive imagination.

You must not be in the highly valued class of players, the players that get scholarships to clubs, this is how it works in that world.

You’re an idiot. My kid is one of those tippy top kids in a tippy top club, playing 2 years up.

PP is spot on. They’re not looking at your birth month. If you’re lights out and Q4 going against a lights out Q2, the team is taking both. On a 22-28 person roster, even for Hoge, there is a lot of fat that can be trimmed. Even in YNT, which my DD is on, there is a lot of fat that can be trimmed. There is a very small pool of truly elite talent, and then there is a much larger pool of roster fillers. Don’t kid yourself.

YNT player parent here arguing with people about SY/BY. You have to be kidding me? The desperation is palpable

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's going to be a lot disappointment by the posters here. Clubs are too busy to do much beyond their normal scouting/recruiting to do all the dreams posted here. Yes, they'll start to eye sept-Q4 players where that makes sense, especially those already on their clubs, but the main focus for 25/26 will be making those 25/26 teams the strongest they can be. And then they'll start to pivot to 26/27.

Sounds like wishful thinking by a Q1 parent who believes literally nothing will change in 25/26. You could be right. You could also be wrong.

It's what I'm already seeing -- where clubs as much as they can are punting these decisions/moves until next year, especially whenever parents start asking questions. People here think there's all this time for these clubs to strategize and find the best sept-Q4 players and how to bring them in now. There's no time for that. If anything, it's more parents who will lead any change of clubs this year and xyz popular club might be the beneficiary. Then again, that type of movement happens every year as antsy parents look for better options for their kids.

On the other side of the coin, all it takes is one club to start amassing Q4's and the lid comes off for everyone.

🤦🏻‍♀️ yes…because the most important thing about roster building is amazing birth quarters…

Yes…in a year when they will be changing the registration, I’m certain that they are looking at people birthdays. Where do you people come up with this stuff?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So the players and parents suffer through a lame duck year because some clubs didn’t get their way and are still pissed at ecnl.

We know for a fact that there will be transitional guidance for 25/26 by US Soccer. If the guidance was going to be absolutely nothing changes until 26/27, they would have already done that.

The Q1 parents are hanging onto hope that at least their clubs won’t make a change until 26/27 because tryouts always happened. That’s definitely possible. But it doesn’t mean other clubs might not make SY teams next year for some / all competitions - if that’s part of the transitional guidance.

The guidance? Yes, it will be how to deal with parents overly fixated on the by/sy switch.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the players and parents suffer through a lame duck year because some clubs didn’t get their way and are still pissed at ecnl.

We know for a fact that there will be transitional guidance for 25/26 by US Soccer. If the guidance was going to be absolutely nothing changes until 26/27, they would have already done that.

The Q1 parents are hanging onto hope that at least their clubs won’t make a change until 26/27 because tryouts always happened. That’s definitely possible. But it doesn’t mean other clubs might not make SY teams next year for some / all competitions - if that’s part of the transitional guidance.

The guidance? Yes, it will be how to deal with parents overly fixated on the by/sy switch.

This is what US Soccer said at the end of December tho:

Immediate Steps – Next 60 Days

We are working quickly with our members to develop communications and best practices that will support this decision, with the goal of centralizing resources on a U.S. Soccer webpage by our Annual General Meeting on February 27, 2025. You can expect the following resources to be available around that time:

Parent/Guardian-, Team-, Club-Specific Communications – outline considerations for players, team formation, and club needs
Collaboration with Leagues – best practices for how member organizations and leagues can work together on any new annual protocols related to registration choice and associated team formation needs
Scenario–Based Resources – support member organizations, leagues, clubs, teams, and parents / guardians as they navigate unique player scenarios
Until then, please know it is a top priority for U.S. Soccer to support our members and ecosystem stakeholders through this transition, and we anticipate members will begin working with leagues and participants immediately on their path forward.”

[Anonymous]

Yes, “parent” communication advice is listed!

Also, it’s march 11, where’s the guidance?