Interview with UC Berkeley Admissions Head on Affirmative Action
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Anonymous
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Very interesting listen
https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/tnyradiohour/segments/supreme-court-affirmative What I was struck by was the linguistic tricks (for lack of a better word) that UC Berkeley admissions head used to say they don’t look at race as a factor (as public California schools can’t) but then he basically says they do use race by peering into the application. Lots of use of terms of equity and diversity. I’m for diversity but as we know, equity is a loaded word that doesn’t mean equality. It’s a fascinating listen regardless of your views Also found fascinating that this head of admissions at Berkeley who was previously at Stanford admissions was unaware of California public university prohibition on affirmative action in admissions prior to joining Cal. I’m mean how the heck does that happen? He also does say how much they rely on APs in this interview. Any of your DMV private parents at schools without AP courses holding out hope of UCB later this month, listen to this and lower your expectations by several notches. It’s probably not happening. Plus the bias against OOS given recent state mandates to increase in state and in state community college transfer ins. |
Anonymous
| To clarify, are they looking at AP course grades or AP exam scores? |
Anonymous
Course work and course grades primarily each AP course is a 1 point GPA lift. B becomes A etc. with a cap on how many of those you can use What I don’t know is whether they see the AP test scores too. Someone else might know. He also mentions IB as being important for them as someone on todays UCLA thread said too |
Anonymous
They do. All the colleges see all the scores via College Board |
Anonymous
Colleges only see your scores if you submit them. if you don't submit scores, colleges don't see them during the application process. |
Anonymous
UCs won’t look at sat or act. Will they look at AP Test scores? That’s the specific question |
Anonymous
| Sounds like UC AOs subvert the spirit of the affirmative action ban |
Anonymous
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This was a stupid interview to give. It’s skirting the legal line and will come back to bite them.
Schools will need to keep everything very quiet as to how they achieve diversity for future admissions cycles with the expected Sup Ct decision. They cannot be out there virtue-signaling and need to stay below the radar. |
Anonymous
Agreed. OP here. Not a lawyer but seems like an enterprising lawyer could use this interview as evidence that UC violated 25 years of state prohibition and actually really did use race. They just used different words but were actually using race. A bit of email discovery will look terrible for them, I predict. Imagine what will be in those AO emails for the last decade or more. |
Anonymous
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My other favorite was Dean of Admissions saying “Latin x” I don’t want to pollute this thread with the word choice but good god, actual Hispanic here and most Hispanics I know hate this Latin X tribal BS lingo. Haven’t there been surveys on this?
Berkeley seems like it’s admissions office is run by someone with an agenda and someone thinking they are doing good but actually probably subverting the law. I guess I should not be surprised. |
Anonymous
It reminds me of the funny scene in Lady Bird where Saiorse Ronan’s character screams at her adopted brother Miguel that he only got into Berkley because of his name. She was upset about Getting into Davis, lol. Times have changed. |
Anonymous
Latinx is the most insulting thing you could call a Hispanic person - forcing a label on an ethnic group just because it promotes your political ideology and radical views on gender. It’s disgusting |
Anonymous
To reiterate, colleges only see scores that are submitted to the college by the student, either in the application or by ordering an official score report. Colleges cannot "see" into the College Board database. The question still stands, do UCs consider AP scores? Is there a place in the app to report them and/or do UC admission offices accept official AP score reports sent by students prior to admission? |
Anonymous
My son’s high school club changed its name from Latinos Unidos to Latinx Unidos. I’m like “umm, the corresponding adjective is still masculine.” |
Anonymous
It was unclear from the interview if he was talking about AP exams or course work generally |