CORONAVIRUS/COVID-19 NEW MEGA THREAD

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is from the press conference from the LTC in Washington.


https://www.bellevuereporter.com/news/life-care-center-of-kirkland-breaks-silence-at-saturday-press-conference/?amp&__twitter_impression=true


“Our experience with this so far has shown that the virus is volatile and unpredictable,” Killian said. “We’ve had patients who, within an hour’s time, show no symptoms to going to acute symptoms and being transferred to the hospital. And we’ve had patients die relatively quickly under those circumstances…We know very little about how fast this may act.”

This goes along with what doctors were saying out of China. (weeks ago)

I'm not saying that we shouldnt be concerned about this , but this isn't that rate for elderly patients, especially when the disease is respiratory related. There is a reasons pneumonia is so dangerous for the elderly. Their system gets compromised and it goes downhill quickly.

Yep. I was waiting for someone else to point this out. It is a great illustration of how things taken out of context and/or stated badly can create panic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Italy now has the second highest case count, having surpassed South Korea today.

Italy: 7,375 cases 366 deaths

South Korea: 7,313 case 50 deaths

What is up with the mortality rate disparity?! It will be very interesting to see how the data rolls out - age, general health, smoking, etc.

It's likely more functional and better trained medical care. South Korea has an ace health care system. COVID-19 is going to come as a nasty surprise to people who think that "western" is inherently superior. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_South_Korea

[Anonymous]

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When is testing (and therefore, I assume, the number of cases) going to pick up in the US? I've been watching https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

While yes, the total cases per day in the US has been increasing, it's been by very few each day. I'm worried there will be an explosion of cases when doctors everywhere finally have access to tests. Especially since so many people aren't taking this seriously because the "numbers" are so small.


I don’t know the answer to your question, but as you probably know the numbers will also explode at some point because the rate of spread is exponential.


Yes. But they are currently ticking up more slowly than expected the past few days. The rate of increase has actually dropped (the total has gone up obviously), with today on track for an even lower rate of increase and/or no increase at all. The number of cases reported doesn't even seem to capture the increase we'd expect to see at this point, based on the number of cases we have (especially since no big efforts to contain have been made by any level of government).


I would have much more faith in a statement that the rate of increase has slowed if we were actually testing people.


Exactly!! People are literally trying to get tested on doctors orders and they’re getting denied a test.


I’m the one who posted above (the original one quoted + the response that starts with “yes”) and that’s exactly my point. Numbers feel manipulated. There’s no way I buy that the rate of increase has slowed. Very worried for the numbers once there is widespread testing.


You do realize that if they test the whole DMV area and a ton test positive, the death rate drops tons, right?

Yes, and that's a good thing. They need to do widespread testing so that people who are positive will know it and take appropriate distancing steps. That will lower the death rate for sure. People will not be careful if they don't feel ill and think they don't have it.

Know what else will lower the death rate? Washing hands. Sanitizer. Staying over 6 feet from people. One of the best uses I've ever found for a mask is keeping people away from you. I will wear one on a plane just so people keep their distance. I tell my seatmate I'm not sick, that it's just a f-u thing. They always think it's funny.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Italy now has the second highest case count, having surpassed South Korea today.

Italy: 7,375 cases 366 deaths

South Korea: 7,313 case 50 deaths

What is up with the mortality rate disparity?! It will be very interesting to see how the data rolls out - age, general health, smoking, etc.

It's likely more functional and better trained medical care. South Korea has an ace health care system. COVID-19 is going to come as a nasty surprise to people who think that "western" is inherently superior. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_South_Korea

South Korea DOES practice Western medicine - they are easily on par with the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is from the press conference from the LTC in Washington.


https://www.bellevuereporter.com/news/life-care-center-of-kirkland-breaks-silence-at-saturday-press-conference/?amp&__twitter_impression=true


“Our experience with this so far has shown that the virus is volatile and unpredictable,” Killian said. “We’ve had patients who, within an hour’s time, show no symptoms to going to acute symptoms and being transferred to the hospital. And we’ve had patients die relatively quickly under those circumstances…We know very little about how fast this may act.”

This goes along with what doctors were saying out of China. (weeks ago)

I'm not saying that we shouldnt be concerned about this , but this isn't that rate for elderly patients, especially when the disease is respiratory related. There is a reasons pneumonia is so dangerous for the elderly. Their system gets compromised and it goes downhill quickly.

Yep. I was waiting for someone else to point this out. It is a great illustration of how things taken out of context and/or stated badly can create panic.

The issue is that critical patients will flood the hospitals in the US and we will quickly lose capacity to treat them, as well as all the "normal" critical patients. All the health care workers I know or follow on Twitter are terrified of this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:German cases increased 25% today.

200 new cases, 1018 total.

And zero deaths. That is the critical factor.

That is encouraging. Thanks for sharing that. These threads have me increasingly anxious.

Sorry to give you a different point of view.

Reddit is full of German posters decrying the strict testing policies in most (not all) areas of Germany. They are completely incredulous that there are zero deaths in Germany. People who were admitted to the hospital with pneumonia without having been tested are being recorded as flu deaths. Unlike Spain, Germany has done no retrospective testing of untested pneumonia deaths.

How many recent elderly pneumonia deaths in the US do you think may have been covid19?

This. I think it has been widespread in the US for months and they did not test so they could blame it on the flu. They know people would not panic with the flu because they would have felt safer with a flu shot. Perhaps all these flu deaths they have been telling us about were really coronavirus deaths and elderly people could have been saved if they knew to isolate at home. People were traveling back in forth from China in December and it would have gotten here fast. I think the US is responsible for not testing sooner and given those at risk a better chance to save themselves.

If it has been widespread in the US for months, we would have heard about it. The hospitals, and particularly ICUs would have been overwhelmed and death rates would have soared. Deaths from flu are all tracked as well. There would have been a major health crisis given the 20% hospitalization rate - most with significant respiratory problems.

Hospitals in the US are stating they've had an unusually high rate of admission for Pneumonia. Said it was a 'very bad flu season, etc' but 'many people are getting false negatives for flu'

Yes. They have been telling us the past two months that there has been a second wave of a bad flu. Lots of people with pneumonia etc. It was probably coronavirus all along.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's a thought:

You are sick. You might have COVID. Make the personal decision not to spread it. Call if your symptoms worsen and arrange to be seen in a safe way.

If YOU choose to self-isolate because you are sick, you won't spread it to others. You will limit the spread.

Remember the slogan "only YOU can prevent forest fires?"

THAT!

This is bad advice and contradicts the advice from all Departments of Health and the CDC.

Don't spread bad advice. B

It’s excellent advice and is the advice being given. If you may have it, self isolate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Italy now has the second highest case count, having surpassed South Korea today.

Italy: 7,375 cases 366 deaths

South Korea: 7,313 case 50 deaths

What is up with the mortality rate disparity?! It will be very interesting to see how the data rolls out - age, general health, smoking, etc.

It's likely more functional and better trained medical care. South Korea has an ace health care system. COVID-19 is going to come as a nasty surprise to people who think that "western" is inherently superior. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_South_Korea

South Korea DOES practice Western medicine - they are easily on par with the US.

they are heads and shoulders BETTER than the US. I didn't mean "western" as in medical vs. eastern medicine. I meant it as in, white European. Americans will be shocked to find out how sh*tty our healthcare system is compared to Korea and maybe even China.

[Anonymous]

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The issue is that critical patients will flood the hospitals in the US and we will quickly lose capacity to treat them, as well as all the "normal" critical patients. All the health care workers I know or follow on Twitter are terrified of this.

No more vents? Too bad for the next trauma patient.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Italy now has the second highest case count, having surpassed South Korea today.

Italy: 7,375 cases 366 deaths

South Korea: 7,313 case 50 deaths

What is up with the mortality rate disparity?! It will be very interesting to see how the data rolls out - age, general health, smoking, etc.

It's likely more functional and better trained medical care. South Korea has an ace health care system. COVID-19 is going to come as a nasty surprise to people who think that "western" is inherently superior. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_South_Korea

South Korea DOES practice Western medicine - they are easily on par with the US.

they are heads and shoulders BETTER than the US. I didn't mean "western" as in medical vs. eastern medicine. I meant it as in, white European. Americans will be shocked to find out how sh*tty our healthcare system is compared to Korea and maybe even China.

Dear LORD, the China is great poster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's a thought:

You are sick. You might have COVID. Make the personal decision not to spread it. Call if your symptoms worsen and arrange to be seen in a safe way.

If YOU choose to self-isolate because you are sick, you won't spread it to others. You will limit the spread.

Remember the slogan "only YOU can prevent forest fires?"

THAT!

This is bad advice and contradicts the advice from all Departments of Health and the CDC.

Don't spread bad advice. B

It’s excellent advice and is the advice being given. If you may have it, self isolate.

PP is the type of person who doesn't care about others, clearly. Hope they have fun on their trip to Italy and cruise on the Nile!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is from the press conference from the LTC in Washington.


https://www.bellevuereporter.com/news/life-care-center-of-kirkland-breaks-silence-at-saturday-press-conference/?amp&__twitter_impression=true


“Our experience with this so far has shown that the virus is volatile and unpredictable,” Killian said. “We’ve had patients who, within an hour’s time, show no symptoms to going to acute symptoms and being transferred to the hospital. And we’ve had patients die relatively quickly under those circumstances…We know very little about how fast this may act.”

This goes along with what doctors were saying out of China. (weeks ago)

I'm not saying that we shouldnt be concerned about this , but this isn't that rate for elderly patients, especially when the disease is respiratory related. There is a reasons pneumonia is so dangerous for the elderly. Their system gets compromised and it goes downhill quickly.

Yep. I was waiting for someone else to point this out. It is a great illustration of how things taken out of context and/or stated badly can create panic.

The issue is that critical patients will flood the hospitals in the US and we will quickly lose capacity to treat them, as well as all the "normal" critical patients. All the health care workers I know or follow on Twitter are terrified of this.

I know a doc who touts this but went on his European trip anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is from the press conference from the LTC in Washington.


https://www.bellevuereporter.com/news/life-care-center-of-kirkland-breaks-silence-at-saturday-press-conference/?amp&__twitter_impression=true


“Our experience with this so far has shown that the virus is volatile and unpredictable,” Killian said. “We’ve had patients who, within an hour’s time, show no symptoms to going to acute symptoms and being transferred to the hospital. And we’ve had patients die relatively quickly under those circumstances…We know very little about how fast this may act.”

This goes along with what doctors were saying out of China. (weeks ago)

I'm not saying that we shouldnt be concerned about this , but this isn't that rate for elderly patients, especially when the disease is respiratory related. There is a reasons pneumonia is so dangerous for the elderly. Their system gets compromised and it goes downhill quickly.

Yep. I was waiting for someone else to point this out. It is a great illustration of how things taken out of context and/or stated badly can create panic.

If you read the full article you will see he says that on average in normal years, 3-7 patients may die monthly this time of year. Right now there have been 26 deaths in two weeks. Nothing taken out of context, you just need to pay attention to details.

[Anonymous]

Has this interview with Scott Gottlieb been posted yet?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcript-scott-gottlieb-on-face-the-nation-march-8-2020/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Italy now has the second highest case count, having surpassed South Korea today.

Italy: 7,375 cases 366 deaths

South Korea: 7,313 case 50 deaths

What is up with the mortality rate disparity?! It will be very interesting to see how the data rolls out - age, general health, smoking, etc.

It's likely more functional and better trained medical care. South Korea has an ace health care system. COVID-19 is going to come as a nasty surprise to people who think that "western" is inherently superior. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_South_Korea

South Korea DOES practice Western medicine - they are easily on par with the US.

they are heads and shoulders BETTER than the US. I didn't mean "western" as in medical vs. eastern medicine. I meant it as in, white European. Americans will be shocked to find out how sh*tty our healthcare system is compared to Korea and maybe even China.

Dear LORD, the China is great poster.

On thing the crisis in Wuhan revealed is that the Chinese medical system is way over centralized. There are barely any clinics, which is why we saw all those huge lines at the Wuhan hospitals when cases went over a few 100 there. This of course served only to escalate spreading of the virus.