Succession - Season 4

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Anonymous wrote: Kendall may be “sober” but he still has all the character traits of an addict/ is a dry drunk. .

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I don't really understand what Tom's next move is now though I see he was up all night perhaps contemplating it. Does he go all in with Kendall now? Both of them know the other will work against them now for their own good. Does Shiv also need to fess up and go back with Kendall because Tom will tell on her anyway, otherwise?

It's a very tangled web. I believe that next week's episode is one that the showrunner said was the most surprising of the series, so be careful.

I'm still waiting for Kendall's murder secret to come out by one of the siblings.

Does anyone really understand what Geri was threatening re her many millions of dollars demands of Roman? Something about not contradicting her story or she would release the pictures - what will her story be? I wondered if maybe the pressure will get to Roman and he turns suicidal, though that doesn't really fit his character up until this point. I'm not really sure where his arc is going though.

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh, tonights episode was really hard to watch. Not really even any surprises, just one miserable turn of events after another. Thoughts:

- Willa is the only character I genuinely like, and Connor saying that there was only one person in that room who genuinely believes in/cares about (can't remember which) him, and he was going to listen to her? One of the smartest things anyone has ever said on the show.

- I don't think Shiv and Tom can come back from that and now very curious to see what happens with the pregnancy.

- Roman is scaring me right now so the idea of him giving the eulogy is, uh, bad.

- I hate that Kendall started to seem kind of smart by the end of the episode again. I'm not rooting for Matsson, who also sucks, but if he stumbles into some huge win (Wayco acquiring Gojo) despite himself, I'm going to be so annoyed. So now I think this is probably what happens.

- Go Gerri! She can join Willa on the "not total trash" team. I like that she put Romans balls in a vise and started turning the crank. Perfect.

I was so pissed at Roman for insulting Willa in front of Connor and had major respect for Connor's character for his reaction. Roman sucks, Kendall sucks for being such a loser father and douche of an ex-husband, and Shiv is such a jerk to Tom (who sucks in his own way too).

It's crazy that of the four of them, Connor is the one who is turning out to have the most maturity and good sense when it comes to relationships.

Though in retrospect it kind of makes sense, because Connor is the only one of the four who ever seemed to understand on any level that (1) Logan was never going to give him the love or approval he craves, and (2) so you might as well just enjoy the money. At the beginning of the show, he's just off living on his big ranch out West away from all the Waystar craziness. He gets drawn in a bit in the second season, but ultimately still decides to go do his own thing and run for president. I mean, it's ridiculous and he's ridiculous, but it's also perversely admirable that he's just like "I'm really rich and my family sucks -- I'm just going to please myself." So he does. Good for him.

I also loved that Willa told him to stay in the race and the reasoning she gave him because it's so sensible. He came all this way and spent all this money, might as well see what happens, plus Menken is awful ("all my friends and family hate him") so eff that guy, and who the heck wants to go live in Oman when you are rich enough to live somewhere you actually want? Like why take a 3rd rate diplomatic posting when you could just go buy a really nice apartment in London or Paris or Berlin tomorrow and just live there without having to work? Willa is smarter than any of them.

I never understood how he ended up with her. She was an escort or something like that and everyone was embarrassed by her. He's reasonably attractive, has tons of money so he wouldn't need an escort. That never made sense to me.

I think you give Connor too much credit. Connor has always been presented as an idiot who was so sheltered and coddled that he doesn't understand basic social etiquette. The family is embarrassed by him, and he used his money to live out the plot of Pretty Woman so he could earn a seat at the big kid's table. And I say this as someone who loves Connor.

+1. I've been re-watching previous seasons with my daughter and it's emphasized many times that Connor is a real weirdo/fail son. And he's largely accepted that. When he brings Willa to Logan's birthday they all know she's an escort and Marcia is taken aback/dismissive - "He rents a room. He rents a girl." When they go out to his ranch the siblings learn that Connor adopted some sick old dog from someone, but could bear to put it down so he pays some rando in the bar to take it. When he tells his siblings he's engaged to Willa they are surprised, congratulate him, and then in the course of their conversation tell him he won't do better than Willa.

Roman was trying to pull the Logan flex with Connor, just like Kendall tried with Nate, and Shiv tried with Tom. And it didn't work for any of them.

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh, tonights episode was really hard to watch. Not really even any surprises, just one miserable turn of events after another. Thoughts:

- Willa is the only character I genuinely like, and Connor saying that there was only one person in that room who genuinely believes in/cares about (can't remember which) him, and he was going to listen to her? One of the smartest things anyone has ever said on the show.

- I don't think Shiv and Tom can come back from that and now very curious to see what happens with the pregnancy.

- Roman is scaring me right now so the idea of him giving the eulogy is, uh, bad.

- I hate that Kendall started to seem kind of smart by the end of the episode again. I'm not rooting for Matsson, who also sucks, but if he stumbles into some huge win (Wayco acquiring Gojo) despite himself, I'm going to be so annoyed. So now I think this is probably what happens.

- Go Gerri! She can join Willa on the "not total trash" team. I like that she put Romans balls in a vise and started turning the crank. Perfect.

I was so pissed at Roman for insulting Willa in front of Connor and had major respect for Connor's character for his reaction. Roman sucks, Kendall sucks for being such a loser father and douche of an ex-husband, and Shiv is such a jerk to Tom (who sucks in his own way too).

It's crazy that of the four of them, Connor is the one who is turning out to have the most maturity and good sense when it comes to relationships.

Though in retrospect it kind of makes sense, because Connor is the only one of the four who ever seemed to understand on any level that (1) Logan was never going to give him the love or approval he craves, and (2) so you might as well just enjoy the money. At the beginning of the show, he's just off living on his big ranch out West away from all the Waystar craziness. He gets drawn in a bit in the second season, but ultimately still decides to go do his own thing and run for president. I mean, it's ridiculous and he's ridiculous, but it's also perversely admirable that he's just like "I'm really rich and my family sucks -- I'm just going to please myself." So he does. Good for him.

I also loved that Willa told him to stay in the race and the reasoning she gave him because it's so sensible. He came all this way and spent all this money, might as well see what happens, plus Menken is awful ("all my friends and family hate him") so eff that guy, and who the heck wants to go live in Oman when you are rich enough to live somewhere you actually want? Like why take a 3rd rate diplomatic posting when you could just go buy a really nice apartment in London or Paris or Berlin tomorrow and just live there without having to work? Willa is smarter than any of them.

I never understood how he ended up with her. She was an escort or something like that and everyone was embarrassed by her. He's reasonably attractive, has tons of money so he wouldn't need an escort. That never made sense to me.

I think you give Connor too much credit. Connor has always been presented as an idiot who was so sheltered and coddled that he doesn't understand basic social etiquette. The family is embarrassed by him, and he used his money to live out the plot of Pretty Woman so he could earn a seat at the big kid's table. And I say this as someone who loves Connor.

+1. I've been re-watching previous seasons with my daughter and it's emphasized many times that Connor is a real weirdo/fail son. And he's largely accepted that. When he brings Willa to Logan's birthday they all know she's an escort and Marcia is taken aback/dismissive - "He rents a room. He rents a girl." When they go out to his ranch the siblings learn that Connor adopted some sick old dog from someone, but could bear to put it down so he pays some rando in the bar to take it. When he tells his siblings he's engaged to Willa they are surprised, congratulate him, and then in the course of their conversation tell him he won't do better than Willa.

Roman was trying to pull the Logan flex with Connor, just like Kendall tried with Nate, and Shiv tried with Tom. And it didn't work for any of them.

So true about the "Logan flex." Roman, Kendall, and Shiv are all realizing that they do not, and will never, have the power over others that Logan had over them. I think that's what they are struggling with. They felt powerless their whole lives (despite being rich beyond belief and having more actual power than 99.9999% of people on the planet in economic terms) because their dad always held all the power in their family, and that's all they cared about. I think that's why they all vie for control of Waystar, and why Kendall and Roman are reluctant to sell, because all they've ever known is this dynamic with one person at the top who can crush everyone else, and they just want to be the person at the top so that they can crush people instead of being crushed. And they are slowly realizing that they will never have it, and it's confusing to them because they don't know how else to exist in the world.

Connor has actually figured out a way to exist in the world without being the crusher. I mean, in a way he's still looking for that powerful position just outside of Waystar (he is running for president after all), but he doesn't seem all that put out that he knows he isn't actually going to be president. He has always had this impulse of trying to just carve out a niche for himself somewhere, where he has control over his own fate, but he's not trying to crush other people or be his dad. He just wants out from under his dad.

As much as he is a "fail son" in the sense that he's not that intellectually smart and his personality is incredibly cringey, I think he has some of the best emotional instincts of the family in that he is empathetic not only towards other people, but he has really compassion for himself in a way none of his siblings do. They are all very self-loathing and it comes out in their cruelty towards other peopel.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand what Tom's next move is now though I see he was up all night perhaps contemplating it. Does he go all in with Kendall now? Both of them know the other will work against them now for their own good. Does Shiv also need to fess up and go back with Kendall because Tom will tell on her anyway, otherwise?

It's a very tangled web. I believe that next week's episode is one that the showrunner said was the most surprising of the series, so be careful.

I'm still waiting for Kendall's murder secret to come out by one of the siblings.

Does anyone really understand what Geri was threatening re her many millions of dollars demands of Roman? Something about not contradicting her story or she would release the pictures - what will her story be? I wondered if maybe the pressure will get to Roman and he turns suicidal, though that doesn't really fit his character up until this point. I'm not really sure where his arc is going though.

Gerri is quitting and she will have reputation managers watching what is said/implied about in online or in gossip circles. The Roys are masters at destroying people through the press or whisper campaigns. She is not going to make up with Roman ever. If any rumours come out about her, she will destroy Roman and the company with what she has and what she knows.

Kendall, Roman, Shiv, and even Tom have thrown away their allies and all are realizing they are on their own. Kendall seems to be handling this but we know how erratic he is.
I wondered if Tom would commit suicide. He wants Shiv to know that he did love her and he has absolutely nothing now. I think that whatever it is that is shocking will be related to Tom or Greg.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand what Tom's next move is now though I see he was up all night perhaps contemplating it. Does he go all in with Kendall now? Both of them know the other will work against them now for their own good. Does Shiv also need to fess up and go back with Kendall because Tom will tell on her anyway, otherwise?

It's a very tangled web. I believe that next week's episode is one that the showrunner said was the most surprising of the series, so be careful.

I'm still waiting for Kendall's murder secret to come out by one of the siblings.

Does anyone really understand what Geri was threatening re her many millions of dollars demands of Roman? Something about not contradicting her story or she would release the pictures - what will her story be? I wondered if maybe the pressure will get to Roman and he turns suicidal, though that doesn't really fit his character up until this point. I'm not really sure where his arc is going though.

Gerri is quitting and she will have reputation managers watching what is said/implied about in online or in gossip circles. The Roys are masters at destroying people through the press or whisper campaigns. She is not going to make up with Roman ever. If any rumours come out about her, she will destroy Roman and the company with what she has and what she knows.

Kendall, Roman, Shiv, and even Tom have thrown away their allies and all are realizing they are on their own. Kendall seems to be handling this but we know how erratic he is.
I wondered if Tom would commit suicide. He wants Shiv to know that he did love her and he has absolutely nothing now. I think that whatever it is that is shocking will be related to Tom or Greg.

Roman has been throwing major red flags the last few episodes. I think if anyone is offing themselves, it's him.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand what Tom's next move is now though I see he was up all night perhaps contemplating it. Does he go all in with Kendall now? Both of them know the other will work against them now for their own good. Does Shiv also need to fess up and go back with Kendall because Tom will tell on her anyway, otherwise?

It's a very tangled web. I believe that next week's episode is one that the showrunner said was the most surprising of the series, so be careful.

I'm still waiting for Kendall's murder secret to come out by one of the siblings.

Does anyone really understand what Geri was threatening re her many millions of dollars demands of Roman? Something about not contradicting her story or she would release the pictures - what will her story be? I wondered if maybe the pressure will get to Roman and he turns suicidal, though that doesn't really fit his character up until this point. I'm not really sure where his arc is going though.

Gerri is quitting and she will have reputation managers watching what is said/implied about in online or in gossip circles. The Roys are masters at destroying people through the press or whisper campaigns. She is not going to make up with Roman ever. If any rumours come out about her, she will destroy Roman and the company with what she has and what she knows.

Kendall, Roman, Shiv, and even Tom have thrown away their allies and all are realizing they are on their own. Kendall seems to be handling this but we know how erratic he is.
I wondered if Tom would commit suicide. He wants Shiv to know that he did love her and he has absolutely nothing now. I think that whatever it is that is shocking will be related to Tom or Greg.

Roman has been throwing major red flags the last few episodes. I think if anyone is offing themselves, it's him.

Tom will lose everything including money. He will have nothing. The Roy kids will still be outrageously wealthy. If everything blows up, ie the deal and maybe a criminal investigation, I could see either Kendall or Roman considering it.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand what Tom's next move is now though I see he was up all night perhaps contemplating it. Does he go all in with Kendall now? Both of them know the other will work against them now for their own good. Does Shiv also need to fess up and go back with Kendall because Tom will tell on her anyway, otherwise?

It's a very tangled web. I believe that next week's episode is one that the showrunner said was the most surprising of the series, so be careful.

I'm still waiting for Kendall's murder secret to come out by one of the siblings.

Does anyone really understand what Geri was threatening re her many millions of dollars demands of Roman? Something about not contradicting her story or she would release the pictures - what will her story be? I wondered if maybe the pressure will get to Roman and he turns suicidal, though that doesn't really fit his character up until this point. I'm not really sure where his arc is going though.

Gerri is quitting and she will have reputation managers watching what is said/implied about in online or in gossip circles. The Roys are masters at destroying people through the press or whisper campaigns. She is not going to make up with Roman ever. If any rumours come out about her, she will destroy Roman and the company with what she has and what she knows.

Kendall, Roman, Shiv, and even Tom have thrown away their allies and all are realizing they are on their own. Kendall seems to be handling this but we know how erratic he is.
I wondered if Tom would commit suicide. He wants Shiv to know that he did love her and he has absolutely nothing now. I think that whatever it is that is shocking will be related to Tom or Greg.

Roman has been throwing major red flags the last few episodes. I think if anyone is offing themselves, it's him.

Tom will lose everything including money. He will have nothing. The Roy kids will still be outrageously wealthy. If everything blows up, ie the deal and maybe a criminal investigation, I could see either Kendall or Roman considering it.

I could see this. I could see the postscript of the show being Tom on his first day of work in a regular person job, like trying to hustle through orientation and stuff. It's what he was pretty much destined for anyway, until he met and married Shiv.

And then it'll be like: Kendall holding court in front of a bunch of sycophants in his new business venture, Roman looking bored and annoyed while lying on a yacht, Shiv signing the papers on a new manse in LA because she's tired of NY. And so the wheel turns.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand what Tom's next move is now though I see he was up all night perhaps contemplating it. Does he go all in with Kendall now? Both of them know the other will work against them now for their own good. Does Shiv also need to fess up and go back with Kendall because Tom will tell on her anyway, otherwise?

It's a very tangled web. I believe that next week's episode is one that the showrunner said was the most surprising of the series, so be careful.

I'm still waiting for Kendall's murder secret to come out by one of the siblings.

Does anyone really understand what Geri was threatening re her many millions of dollars demands of Roman? Something about not contradicting her story or she would release the pictures - what will her story be? I wondered if maybe the pressure will get to Roman and he turns suicidal, though that doesn't really fit his character up until this point. I'm not really sure where his arc is going though.

Gerri is quitting and she will have reputation managers watching what is said/implied about in online or in gossip circles. The Roys are masters at destroying people through the press or whisper campaigns. She is not going to make up with Roman ever. If any rumours come out about her, she will destroy Roman and the company with what she has and what she knows.

Kendall, Roman, Shiv, and even Tom have thrown away their allies and all are realizing they are on their own. Kendall seems to be handling this but we know how erratic he is.
I wondered if Tom would commit suicide. He wants Shiv to know that he did love her and he has absolutely nothing now. I think that whatever it is that is shocking will be related to Tom or Greg.

Roman has been throwing major red flags the last few episodes. I think if anyone is offing themselves, it's him.

Tom will lose everything including money. He will have nothing. The Roy kids will still be outrageously wealthy. If everything blows up, ie the deal and maybe a criminal investigation, I could see either Kendall or Roman considering it.

Tom literally knows where all the bodies are buried on the cruise line crimes/payoff. I don't think Tom ends up running Waystar, but I don't think he ends up throwing himself off a building.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand what Tom's next move is now though I see he was up all night perhaps contemplating it. Does he go all in with Kendall now? Both of them know the other will work against them now for their own good. Does Shiv also need to fess up and go back with Kendall because Tom will tell on her anyway, otherwise?

It's a very tangled web. I believe that next week's episode is one that the showrunner said was the most surprising of the series, so be careful.

I'm still waiting for Kendall's murder secret to come out by one of the siblings.

Does anyone really understand what Geri was threatening re her many millions of dollars demands of Roman? Something about not contradicting her story or she would release the pictures - what will her story be? I wondered if maybe the pressure will get to Roman and he turns suicidal, though that doesn't really fit his character up until this point. I'm not really sure where his arc is going though.

Gerri is quitting and she will have reputation managers watching what is said/implied about in online or in gossip circles. The Roys are masters at destroying people through the press or whisper campaigns. She is not going to make up with Roman ever. If any rumours come out about her, she will destroy Roman and the company with what she has and what she knows.

Kendall, Roman, Shiv, and even Tom have thrown away their allies and all are realizing they are on their own. Kendall seems to be handling this but we know how erratic he is.
I wondered if Tom would commit suicide. He wants Shiv to know that he did love her and he has absolutely nothing now. I think that whatever it is that is shocking will be related to Tom or Greg.

Roman has been throwing major red flags the last few episodes. I think if anyone is offing themselves, it's him.

I've been thinking the same thing about Roman!

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Totally agree that Kendall is using something.

Could he have been ANY more useless with Rava?

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh, tonights episode was really hard to watch. Not really even any surprises, just one miserable turn of events after another. Thoughts:

- Willa is the only character I genuinely like, and Connor saying that there was only one person in that room who genuinely believes in/cares about (can't remember which) him, and he was going to listen to her? One of the smartest things anyone has ever said on the show.

- I don't think Shiv and Tom can come back from that and now very curious to see what happens with the pregnancy.

- Roman is scaring me right now so the idea of him giving the eulogy is, uh, bad.

- I hate that Kendall started to seem kind of smart by the end of the episode again. I'm not rooting for Matsson, who also sucks, but if he stumbles into some huge win (Wayco acquiring Gojo) despite himself, I'm going to be so annoyed. So now I think this is probably what happens.

- Go Gerri! She can join Willa on the "not total trash" team. I like that she put Romans balls in a vise and started turning the crank. Perfect.

I was so pissed at Roman for insulting Willa in front of Connor and had major respect for Connor's character for his reaction. Roman sucks, Kendall sucks for being such a loser father and douche of an ex-husband, and Shiv is such a jerk to Tom (who sucks in his own way too).

It's crazy that of the four of them, Connor is the one who is turning out to have the most maturity and good sense when it comes to relationships.

Though in retrospect it kind of makes sense, because Connor is the only one of the four who ever seemed to understand on any level that (1) Logan was never going to give him the love or approval he craves, and (2) so you might as well just enjoy the money. At the beginning of the show, he's just off living on his big ranch out West away from all the Waystar craziness. He gets drawn in a bit in the second season, but ultimately still decides to go do his own thing and run for president. I mean, it's ridiculous and he's ridiculous, but it's also perversely admirable that he's just like "I'm really rich and my family sucks -- I'm just going to please myself." So he does. Good for him.

I also loved that Willa told him to stay in the race and the reasoning she gave him because it's so sensible. He came all this way and spent all this money, might as well see what happens, plus Menken is awful ("all my friends and family hate him") so eff that guy, and who the heck wants to go live in Oman when you are rich enough to live somewhere you actually want? Like why take a 3rd rate diplomatic posting when you could just go buy a really nice apartment in London or Paris or Berlin tomorrow and just live there without having to work? Willa is smarter than any of them.

I like Connor and Willa too because they stay out of the Waystar fray and shady games for the most part.

But Willa clearly didn’t want to go live in Oman (can you blame her, being stuck there with Connor) and I wonder if that’s behind her advice to Connor, either a little or a lot. In which case her advice wasn’t exactly selfless. You’re absolutely right, they can go live in London or Paris instead, which must have gone through her head—but I don’t remember her having that specific convo with Connor. Maybe she did and I wasn’t paying attention.

I liked how Connor handled the funeral arrangements meeting. But he was deluded about his election chances until Roman spelled it out for him the night before polls opened, so I’m not sure about his maturity.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand what Tom's next move is now though I see he was up all night perhaps contemplating it. Does he go all in with Kendall now? Both of them know the other will work against them now for their own good. Does Shiv also need to fess up and go back with Kendall because Tom will tell on her anyway, otherwise?

It's a very tangled web. I believe that next week's episode is one that the showrunner said was the most surprising of the series, so be careful.

I'm still waiting for Kendall's murder secret to come out by one of the siblings.

Does anyone really understand what Geri was threatening re her many millions of dollars demands of Roman? Something about not contradicting her story or she would release the pictures - what will her story be? I wondered if maybe the pressure will get to Roman and he turns suicidal, though that doesn't really fit his character up until this point. I'm not really sure where his arc is going though.

Gerri is quitting and she will have reputation managers watching what is said/implied about in online or in gossip circles. The Roys are masters at destroying people through the press or whisper campaigns. She is not going to make up with Roman ever. If any rumours come out about her, she will destroy Roman and the company with what she has and what she knows.

Kendall, Roman, Shiv, and even Tom have thrown away their allies and all are realizing they are on their own. Kendall seems to be handling this but we know how erratic he is.
I wondered if Tom would commit suicide. He wants Shiv to know that he did love her and he has absolutely nothing now. I think that whatever it is that is shocking will be related to Tom or Greg.

Roman has been throwing major red flags the last few episodes. I think if anyone is offing themselves, it's him.

Tom will lose everything including money. He will have nothing. The Roy kids will still be outrageously wealthy. If everything blows up, ie the deal and maybe a criminal investigation, I could see either Kendall or Roman considering it.

Tom literally knows where all the bodies are buried on the cruise line crimes/payoff. I don't think Tom ends up running Waystar, but I don't think he ends up throwing himself off a building.

I agree with this. Tom and Greg also know that Kendall monkeyed with the financials and even with the Logan tape.

Tom has a fair amount of leverage, and Kendall is at risk of exposure.

It looks like we’re looking at a battle of the financials. Kendall knows Mattson’s India numbers are fake, and Mattson knows Kendall’s Living+ numbers are fake. Will it be a standoff or will they blow each other up?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand what Tom's next move is now though I see he was up all night perhaps contemplating it. Does he go all in with Kendall now? Both of them know the other will work against them now for their own good. Does Shiv also need to fess up and go back with Kendall because Tom will tell on her anyway, otherwise?

It's a very tangled web. I believe that next week's episode is one that the showrunner said was the most surprising of the series, so be careful.

I'm still waiting for Kendall's murder secret to come out by one of the siblings.

Does anyone really understand what Geri was threatening re her many millions of dollars demands of Roman? Something about not contradicting her story or she would release the pictures - what will her story be? I wondered if maybe the pressure will get to Roman and he turns suicidal, though that doesn't really fit his character up until this point. I'm not really sure where his arc is going though.

Gerri is quitting and she will have reputation managers watching what is said/implied about in online or in gossip circles. The Roys are masters at destroying people through the press or whisper campaigns. She is not going to make up with Roman ever. If any rumours come out about her, she will destroy Roman and the company with what she has and what she knows.

Kendall, Roman, Shiv, and even Tom have thrown away their allies and all are realizing they are on their own. Kendall seems to be handling this but we know how erratic he is.
I wondered if Tom would commit suicide. He wants Shiv to know that he did love her and he has absolutely nothing now. I think that whatever it is that is shocking will be related to Tom or Greg.

Roman has been throwing major red flags the last few episodes. I think if anyone is offing themselves, it's him.

Tom will lose everything including money. He will have nothing. The Roy kids will still be outrageously wealthy. If everything blows up, ie the deal and maybe a criminal investigation, I could see either Kendall or Roman considering it.

Tom literally knows where all the bodies are buried on the cruise line crimes/payoff. I don't think Tom ends up running Waystar, but I don't think he ends up throwing himself off a building.

Agreed. Tom is a cockroach. He may never run a multi-billion dollar organization like he aspires, but after this all shakes out, he'll move onto another job and start sucking up to the next executive to BS his way up the ranks. He doesn't have nearly as much baggage as the Roy siblings, whose entire existence is tied up with Waystar.

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Someone above said that Kendall may have figured out that Shiv was working together with Lucas the Swede because he sent Greg in there to "fix" things, ha. I think Kendall may have seen Lucas talking to important people but I'm not sure he didn't just think Shiv was messing up -- remember, he called Shiv and Roman out to the balcony to talk about how Lucas' numbers for India were off. I don't think he would have done that if he suspected Shiv of double dealing with Lucas, and betrayal.