Bowser proposes to add over 1,500 new affordable housing units to "Rock Creek West"

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Anonymous wrote:This all a bunch of blather about nothing. None of this -- not upzoning, not some vague plan from the mayor -- is going to make any difference. The issue is that far, far more people want to live in DC than can be accommodated and people in DC have a lot of money, so prices are going up. It's inevitable, and it doesnt matter what the government does. Just ask New York City. People there have been wrestling with these issues for decades (people in DC act like this is a new issue). If there was an answer, don't you think someone would have figured it out by now?

There is an answer. It's called Prince George's county.

Personally, I would rather that the city build new, high quality affordable housing on the parking lot down the block from my W3 house than force people who need subsidized housing to move out of the District.

I am sure the mayor feels the same, and will locate the first example of proposed AH right smack dab in her own neighborhood.

Get a life whiner

It would be great if she led by example . Does she not have a nice big house with a spare room? She should go for it! Open her arms. Lend personal supoort to a struggling immigrant or DC worker.

I see this proposal is going thru without a hitch.
All the opponents are in La-La-Land conjuring up catchy “Gotcha” comebacks to express their discontent instead of planning valid talking points about why they don’t like the idea.
Good job whiners you really gave it to the Mayor.

Tons of valid talking points. Most people won't be posting here, they will be taking it up in elections.

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Anonymous wrote:This all a bunch of blather about nothing. None of this -- not upzoning, not some vague plan from the mayor -- is going to make any difference. The issue is that far, far more people want to live in DC than can be accommodated and people in DC have a lot of money, so prices are going up. It's inevitable, and it doesnt matter what the government does. Just ask New York City. People there have been wrestling with these issues for decades (people in DC act like this is a new issue). If there was an answer, don't you think someone would have figured it out by now?

There is an answer. It's called Prince George's county.

Personally, I would rather that the city build new, high quality affordable housing on the parking lot down the block from my W3 house than force people who need subsidized housing to move out of the District.

I am sure the mayor feels the same, and will locate the first example of proposed AH right smack dab in her own neighborhood.

Get a life whiner

It would be great if she led by example . Does she not have a nice big house with a spare room? She should go for it! Open her arms. Lend personal supoort to a struggling immigrant or DC worker.

I see this proposal is going thru without a hitch.
All the opponents are in La-La-Land conjuring up catchy “Gotcha” comebacks to express their discontent instead of planning valid talking points about why they don’t like the idea.
Good job whiners you really gave it to the Mayor.

Tons of valid talking points. Most people won't be posting here, they will be taking it up in elections.

So far, proposing to build affordable housing in my neighborhood (upper NW) is one of the first things Bowser has done that I wholeheartedly support, so yes, hopefully people will be taking this up in the election, and holding her to her promise to actually make this happen.

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Anonymous wrote:This all a bunch of blather about nothing. None of this -- not upzoning, not some vague plan from the mayor -- is going to make any difference. The issue is that far, far more people want to live in DC than can be accommodated and people in DC have a lot of money, so prices are going up. It's inevitable, and it doesnt matter what the government does. Just ask New York City. People there have been wrestling with these issues for decades (people in DC act like this is a new issue). If there was an answer, don't you think someone would have figured it out by now?

There are answers. What's been lacking, is the political will to institute the policies.

Looks like Muriel Bowser and the DC council might have the political will. Good for them.

All this stuff has been tried before many times in other cities.

Could you provide two examples, please?

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My issue is how they push it through and do something that could be done thoughtfully,horribly. That burns through a lot of good will. The new ward 3 homeless parking structure or whatever it is is hideous.

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Anonymous wrote:This all a bunch of blather about nothing. None of this -- not upzoning, not some vague plan from the mayor -- is going to make any difference. The issue is that far, far more people want to live in DC than can be accommodated and people in DC have a lot of money, so prices are going up. It's inevitable, and it doesnt matter what the government does. Just ask New York City. People there have been wrestling with these issues for decades (people in DC act like this is a new issue). If there was an answer, don't you think someone would have figured it out by now?

+1

New York has tried every idea under the sun.

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Yep, the best solution is to continue to build livable walkable neighborhoods with lots of green space, and excellent transport. We should be devising new systems for this. Also lets take a look at immigration. Can we sustain so much new population or do we need to look at how many people our infrastructure can support?

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Hopefully none of these units will become brothels.

If Grosso/Allen’s legislation passes, a very real possibility.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/835329.page

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Anonymous wrote:Hopefully none of these units will become brothels.

If Grosso/Allen’s legislation passes, a very real possibility.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/835329.page

Utopia now!

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Anonymous wrote:This all a bunch of blather about nothing. None of this -- not upzoning, not some vague plan from the mayor -- is going to make any difference. The issue is that far, far more people want to live in DC than can be accommodated and people in DC have a lot of money, so prices are going up. It's inevitable, and it doesnt matter what the government does. Just ask New York City. People there have been wrestling with these issues for decades (people in DC act like this is a new issue). If there was an answer, don't you think someone would have figured it out by now?

+1

New York has tried every idea under the sun.

When and where did NYC try this idea?

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Anonymous wrote:This all a bunch of blather about nothing. None of this -- not upzoning, not some vague plan from the mayor -- is going to make any difference. The issue is that far, far more people want to live in DC than can be accommodated and people in DC have a lot of money, so prices are going up. It's inevitable, and it doesnt matter what the government does. Just ask New York City. People there have been wrestling with these issues for decades (people in DC act like this is a new issue). If there was an answer, don't you think someone would have figured it out by now?

+1

New York has tried every idea under the sun.

There are still extensive areas in NYC with quite restrictive zoning. I follow some folks in NYC who discuss housing policy, and there is definitely debate going on there, its not like they have done everything they can, even with much higher demand than in DC.

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Anonymous wrote:This all a bunch of blather about nothing. None of this -- not upzoning, not some vague plan from the mayor -- is going to make any difference. The issue is that far, far more people want to live in DC than can be accommodated and people in DC have a lot of money, so prices are going up. It's inevitable, and it doesnt matter what the government does. Just ask New York City. People there have been wrestling with these issues for decades (people in DC act like this is a new issue). If there was an answer, don't you think someone would have figured it out by now?

+1

New York has tried every idea under the sun.

There are still extensive areas in NYC with quite restrictive zoning. I follow some folks in NYC who discuss housing policy, and there is definitely debate going on there, its not like they have done everything they can, even with much higher demand than in DC.

It's funny how people think these issues are new, as if no one has ever debated or tried them before. This stuff has been going on for a century. Google the Limited Dividend Housing Companies Act of 1926 or the National Housing Act of 1934. These ideas aren't new -- they're only new to you.

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Anonymous wrote:My issue is how they push it through and do something that could be done thoughtfully,horribly. That burns through a lot of good will. The new ward 3 homeless parking structure or whatever it is is hideous.

The Homeless Shelter at Cathedral Commons. It’s tall and dense, just the way Greater Greater Washington wants it.

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Anonymous wrote:This all a bunch of blather about nothing. None of this -- not upzoning, not some vague plan from the mayor -- is going to make any difference. The issue is that far, far more people want to live in DC than can be accommodated and people in DC have a lot of money, so prices are going up. It's inevitable, and it doesnt matter what the government does. Just ask New York City. People there have been wrestling with these issues for decades (people in DC act like this is a new issue). If there was an answer, don't you think someone would have figured it out by now?

There is an answer. It's called Prince George's county.

Amen. That’s what PG County is for.

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Anonymous wrote:This isn't about building all new 100% affordable housing developments. As a PP indicated, concentrating working poor into areas isn't a recipe for success. So, what will happen, as proposed, is that areas are being designated with more opportunity via underlying zoning. Tenleytown, Friendship Heights, Cleveland Park, Woodley Park (all on the red line) and Chevy Chase, DC are all being proposed to be upzoned.

With that upzoning will come new housing and follow on new affordable housing units.

Yes, the city will need to figure out infrastructure questions including available seats in schools. It will also need to figure out transportation in Chevy Chase, DC (since there is no metro there and bus services is very limited) but overall, these are incremental changes.

Cleveland Park is basically all in an historic district. That makes it nearly impossible to upzone.

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Oh well. Guess the joke is on you cause your position is irrelevant. The city wants to significantly increase dedicated affordable housing options in Rock Creek West and it’s gonna happen despite your alternative suggestions.
Looks like if you don’t want dedicated affordable housing in your neighborhood you’re gonna have to pack your shit and move.

No honey. It's not actually going to happen, simply because an administration produces a "report" describing an aspirational "goal" and then hold a press conference to announce an aspirational "proposal."

Okay sweetie. You can think whatever you want but the future of affordable housing in D.C. won’t be confined to the usual neighborhoods. When Mayor Muriel Bowser released the District’s Housing Equity Report, which will create 36,000 new homes by 2025, 12,000 of which will be affordable to low-income residents but guess what... they won’t be bunched together in the typical areas where you see low-income housing; they will placed to change the way things have been for a long time. The new low-income housing will be integrated throughout the District’s eight wards, giving those in lower income brackets access to the same transportation opportunities and amenities as those of higher income levels.

Now the public review period of the plan runs through Dec. 20 so if you got objections I suggest you get off DCUM and go find yourself a drawing board to get a plan together to poke some legitimate holes in the plan prior to that date - otherwise IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

What is Mayor Bow-wow’s plan to preserve the substantial stock of rent controlled housing in Ward 3? That is a huge source of existing affordable housing but the report doesn’t say anything about rent controlled housing. Ironically, upzoning could drastically reduce such housing stock.

Methinks that her plan isn’t really about affordable housing. But it is most certainly about creating new big, dense and tall lucrative development opportunities in NW DC for Bowser’s developer friends.