Conceal-carry gun owners stop four separate robbery attempts

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I personally know of two people who were in terrible car accidents, but survived because they were not wearing seatbelts. True.

But try pinning that statistic on any sort of policy or even psa to discourage folks from wearing seatbelts.

Why? Because the exception isn't the rule.

and people should have common sense. Using a seat belt is the smart thing to do.

The chance that I would stop a violent attack with my gun versus the chance that I would kill myself, or accidentally hurt someone else. It is just idiocy to think that a gun reduces violence.

Rivara and his team discovered that having a gun in the home is associated with a threefold increase in the risk of a homicide — they released this information in a series of peer-reviewed articles that appeared in the New England Journal of Medicine. The CDC both funded Rivara’s original research and stood by the findings.

http://www.pri.org/stories/2015-07-02/quietly-congress-extends-ban-cdc-research-gun-violence

So congress has stopped CDC from doing research on gun violence.

Gun Lobby is so scared of the results that their pawns have outlawed common sense research.

A bunch of scared impotent cowards is the NRA.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you still think that, you haven't been paying attention to the thread. It's a RWNJ fantasy to think he can break up a crime in progress with a gun. That gun is actually more likely to be used against him, mark him as the gunman when the police arrive, and/or cause death or injury to bystanders.

Do you have stats to back up your claim that increased conceal-carry rates increases crime? Or are you just voicing an opinion? The raw stats show overall crime has decreased as conceal-carry rates increased.

Exactly.

Correlation is not causation. Crime is down for a lot of reasons, among which are economic and other factors. If you want to claim it's down because of an increase in concealed carry, I'll have to disagree because crime is down just as much in places where there was no increase in concealed carry.

It's not just conceal carry. It's gun ownership. Crime rates have gone up in places after guns were banned. London for example.

[Anonymous]

The state of Virginia will not recognize concealed carry permits from 25 states anymore: (law goes in effect February 1st)

The change prevents people convicted of a felony, domestic abusers, those adjudicated mentally ill or incompetent, recently convicted drunk drivers and dishonorably discharged military personnel from using a permit from those states in Virginia.

That means that in those 25 (!) states the above people are allowed to have a concealed weapon! WTH?
This is insane!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The state of Virginia will not recognize concealed carry permits from 25 states anymore: (law goes in effect February 1st)

The change prevents people convicted of a felony, domestic abusers, those adjudicated mentally ill or incompetent, recently convicted drunk drivers and dishonorably discharged military personnel from using a permit from those states in Virginia.

That means that in those 25 (!) states the above people are allowed to have a concealed weapon! WTH?
This is insane!

This is what the attorney general and governor of VA want you to believe. Dig a little deeper. Check out some of the qualifications of the states listed. You will see this is not true.
This is politics, baby. And, Gov. McAuliffe and Mark Herring are promoting their agenda.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The state of Virginia will not recognize concealed carry permits from 25 states anymore: (law goes in effect February 1st)

The change prevents people convicted of a felony, domestic abusers, those adjudicated mentally ill or incompetent, recently convicted drunk drivers and dishonorably discharged military personnel from using a permit from those states in Virginia.

That means that in those 25 (!) states the above people are allowed to have a concealed weapon! WTH?
This is insane!

This is what the attorney general and governor of VA want you to believe. Dig a little deeper. Check out some of the qualifications of the states listed. You will see this is not true.
This is politics, baby. And, Gov. McAuliffe and Mark Herring are promoting their agenda.

Good for them. Maybe they'll turn to folks on the watch list next.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you still think that, you haven't been paying attention to the thread. It's a RWNJ fantasy to think he can break up a crime in progress with a gun. That gun is actually more likely to be used against him, mark him as the gunman when the police arrive, and/or cause death or injury to bystanders.

Do you have stats to back up your claim that increased conceal-carry rates increases crime? Or are you just voicing an opinion? The raw stats show overall crime has decreased as conceal-carry rates increased.

Exactly.

Correlation is not causation. Crime is down for a lot of reasons, among which are economic and other factors. If you want to claim it's down because of an increase in concealed carry, I'll have to disagree because crime is down just as much in places where there was no increase in concealed carry.

It's not just conceal carry. It's gun ownership. Crime rates have gone up in places after guns were banned. London for example.

Wrong, it has nothing to do with gun bans, and there's tons of literature that goes into this. The overwhelming majority of Londoners weren't even gun owners to begin with before the ban.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The state of Virginia will not recognize concealed carry permits from 25 states anymore: (law goes in effect February 1st)

The change prevents people convicted of a felony, domestic abusers, those adjudicated mentally ill or incompetent, recently convicted drunk drivers and dishonorably discharged military personnel from using a permit from those states in Virginia.

That means that in those 25 (!) states the above people are allowed to have a concealed weapon! WTH?
This is insane!

In many many cases those kinds of people (mentally ill, domestic abusers, drunk drivers, dishonorable discharges) can and do get concealed carry permits. I know so for a fact. When I got mine in my state several years back, they didn't even ask about most of those criteria. And I personally know of people like that who got CC permits.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you still think that, you haven't been paying attention to the thread. It's a RWNJ fantasy to think he can break up a crime in progress with a gun. That gun is actually more likely to be used against him, mark him as the gunman when the police arrive, and/or cause death or injury to bystanders.

Do you have stats to back up your claim that increased conceal-carry rates increases crime? Or are you just voicing an opinion? The raw stats show overall crime has decreased as conceal-carry rates increased.

Exactly.

Correlation is not causation. Crime is down for a lot of reasons, among which are economic and other factors. If you want to claim it's down because of an increase in concealed carry, I'll have to disagree because crime is down just as much in places where there was no increase in concealed carry.

It's not just conceal carry. It's gun ownership. Crime rates have gone up in places after guns were banned. London for example.

Wrong, it has nothing to do with gun bans, and there's tons of literature that goes into this. The overwhelming majority of Londoners weren't even gun owners to begin with before the ban.

You are wrong. The data clearly show that gun ownership lowers crime rates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The state of Virginia will not recognize concealed carry permits from 25 states anymore: (law goes in effect February 1st)

The change prevents people convicted of a felony, domestic abusers, those adjudicated mentally ill or incompetent, recently convicted drunk drivers and dishonorably discharged military personnel from using a permit from those states in Virginia.

That means that in those 25 (!) states the above people are allowed to have a concealed weapon! WTH?
This is insane!

In many many cases those kinds of people (mentally ill, domestic abusers, drunk drivers, dishonorable discharges) can and do get concealed carry permits. I know so for a fact. When I got mine in my state several years back, they didn't even ask about most of those criteria. And I personally know of people like that who got CC permits.

How the f'ck was someone allowed to have a concealed weapon and not have to go thru Virginia's tests before this. How could the republicans in Virginia be so stupid to allow this.

Thank god the attorney general is restoring sanity

People should be licensed under each states laws. That is what republicans usually say.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you still think that, you haven't been paying attention to the thread. It's a RWNJ fantasy to think he can break up a crime in progress with a gun. That gun is actually more likely to be used against him, mark him as the gunman when the police arrive, and/or cause death or injury to bystanders.

Do you have stats to back up your claim that increased conceal-carry rates increases crime? Or are you just voicing an opinion? The raw stats show overall crime has decreased as conceal-carry rates increased.

Exactly.

Correlation is not causation. Crime is down for a lot of reasons, among which are economic and other factors. If you want to claim it's down because of an increase in concealed carry, I'll have to disagree because crime is down just as much in places where there was no increase in concealed carry.

It's not just conceal carry. It's gun ownership. Crime rates have gone up in places after guns were banned. London for example.

Wrong, it has nothing to do with gun bans, and there's tons of literature that goes into this. The overwhelming majority of Londoners weren't even gun owners to begin with before the ban.

Hm so most research states the opposite that there is less gun violence when less guns. Yet you claim the opposite

And your fellow republicans have outlawed any research on this topic by the CDC which the CDC was starting to do and had shown that in increases in gun ownership resulted in increases in gun violence

So the NRA cowards claim lies as facts and then prevent any other detailed research that could help with identifying gun violence causes

You sir are a coward

Your selfish attitude is condemning to death other Americans.

The times are a changing will take a generation but soon gun violence will be reduced in us by implementing common sense regulations

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I personally know of two people who were in terrible car accidents, but survived because they were not wearing seatbelts. True.

But try pinning that statistic on any sort of policy or even psa to discourage folks from wearing seatbelts.

Why? Because the exception isn't the rule.

and people should have common sense. Using a seat belt is the smart thing to do.

The chance that I would stop a violent attack with my gun versus the chance that I would kill myself, or accidentally hurt someone else. It is just idiocy to think that a gun reduces violence.

Rivara and his team discovered that having a gun in the home is associated with a threefold increase in the risk of a homicide — they released this information in a series of peer-reviewed articles that appeared in the New England Journal of Medicine. The CDC both funded Rivara’s original research and stood by the findings.

http://www.pri.org/stories/2015-07-02/quietly-congress-extends-ban-cdc-research-gun-violence

So congress has stopped CDC from doing research on gun violence.

Gun Lobby is so scared of the results that their pawns have outlawed common sense research.

A bunch of scared impotent cowards is the NRA.

Strong words from a little lib. Listen I know you don't like facts unless they are spoon fed to you by michael Moore, but you're wrong.

Since 2007, the number of concealed handgun permits has soared from 4.6 million to over 12.8 million, and murder rates have fallen from 5.6 killings per 100,000 people to just 4.2, about a 25 percent drop, according to the report from the Crime Prevention Research Center.

[Anonymous]

Oh whoops I meant to reply to the guy who called me a coward.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I personally know of two people who were in terrible car accidents, but survived because they were not wearing seatbelts. True.

But try pinning that statistic on any sort of policy or even psa to discourage folks from wearing seatbelts.

Why? Because the exception isn't the rule.

and people should have common sense. Using a seat belt is the smart thing to do.

The chance that I would stop a violent attack with my gun versus the chance that I would kill myself, or accidentally hurt someone else. It is just idiocy to think that a gun reduces violence.

Rivara and his team discovered that having a gun in the home is associated with a threefold increase in the risk of a homicide — they released this information in a series of peer-reviewed articles that appeared in the New England Journal of Medicine. The CDC both funded Rivara’s original research and stood by the findings.

http://www.pri.org/stories/2015-07-02/quietly-congress-extends-ban-cdc-research-gun-violence

So congress has stopped CDC from doing research on gun violence.

Gun Lobby is so scared of the results that their pawns have outlawed common sense research.

A bunch of scared impotent cowards is the NRA.

Strong words from a little lib. Listen I know you don't like facts unless they are spoon fed to you by michael Moore, but you're wrong.

Since 2007, the number of concealed handgun permits has soared from 4.6 million to over 12.8 million, and murder rates have fallen from 5.6 killings per 100,000 people to just 4.2, about a 25 percent drop, according to the report from the Crime Prevention Research Center.

Concealed carry permits are a small fraction of gun owners.

The murder rate started declining eighteen years after roe v wade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
and people should have common sense. Using a seat belt is the smart thing to do.

The chance that I would stop a violent attack with my gun versus the chance that I would kill myself, or accidentally hurt someone else. It is just idiocy to think that a gun reduces violence.

Rivara and his team discovered that having a gun in the home is associated with a threefold increase in the risk of a homicide — they released this information in a series of peer-reviewed articles that appeared in the New England Journal of Medicine. The CDC both funded Rivara’s original research and stood by the findings.

http://www.pri.org/stories/2015-07-02/quietly-congress-extends-ban-cdc-research-gun-violence

So congress has stopped CDC from doing research on gun violence.

Gun Lobby is so scared of the results that their pawns have outlawed common sense research.

A bunch of scared impotent cowards is the NRA.

The actual report can be found here - http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199310073291506#t=articleResults

The study was limited to 420 cases where the victims were killed in their own home, usually by a relative (think domestic violence here). The study did not encompass all gun owners, like say your grandpa with a long gun he hasn't used for years.

Case households and subjects had much higher alcohol and/or illicit-drug use than control households and subjects. Case households also had a much higher rate of household members previously fighting and/or hitting each other than control households. 45.4% of case households had one or more guns and 35.8% of control households had one or more guns.

Given the above home environments, yes there is a higher chance to be killed by a gun if a gun is in the home. It's a volatile environment ripe for violence. However, if you remove the other high risk conditions the risk of homicide while owning a gun is drastically reduced. This is why your loving grandfather never shot his loving wife and children while owning a gun almost his entire adult life.

In short, the study is not showing what you think (or hope) it does. That gun ownership in general increases the risk of homicide threefold. It does only if other risk factors are present.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh whoops I meant to reply to the guy who called me a coward.

And you replied w a stupid playground insult ("little lib")...

Some of us are lifelong shooters and even CCW permit holders who also think he NRA is a bunch of unhinged looney blowhards... Hardly "little libs."