Common Core PARCC tests for fourth grade math

[Anonymous]

Jesus FUCKING christ with the "no classroom teachers were involved" nonsense again and again.

Stop already. Teachers WERE involved.

"Teachers played a critical role in development
The Common Core State Standards drafting process relied on teachers and standards experts from across the country. Teachers were involved in the development process in four ways:

- They served on the Work Groups and Feedback Groups for the ELA and math standards.

- The National Education Association (NEA), American Federation of Teachers (AFT), National Council of Teachers of Mathematics (NCTM), and National Council of Teachers of English (NCTE), among other organizations were instrumental in bringing together teachers to provide specific, constructive feedback on the standards

- Teachers were members of teams states convened to provide regular feedback on drafts of the standards.

- Teachers provided input on the Common Core State Standards during the two public comment periods."

http://www.corestandards.org/about-the-standards/development-process/

This has been shown to you a dozen times already. Just stop with the bullshit and the lies already!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

What proof do you have that the old state standards were any good, exactly?

I teach. The old MD standards were bad. Do you have any proof that they were good? The writing standards (and the MSA test that tested mastery of the standards) were useless -- almost non existant. What proof do you have that they were good? Show me!

Yes, the writing for the MSA was awful. The Common Core standards killed the BCR, and I couldn't be happier. (I'm a parent; I'm not a teacher.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


Your circular logic is hilarious.

The standards ARE good. They were not written by Pearson. But even if they were, they're still good standards.

Please see a physician about your mental problems.


You've lost the battle when you can only attack personally.




I won the battle pages ago. I attack personally because I'm exasperated by the badgering by a muttering idiot who keeps repeating the same inanities.

LOL! You think there is only one person arguing with you on this thread?

I think there's only one person prattling on about Pearson, yes.

[Anonymous]

You'd be very wrong on that. Many people are arguing against Pearson.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Jesus FUCKING christ with the "no classroom teachers were involved" nonsense again and again.

Stop already. Teachers WERE involved.

"Teachers played a critical role in development
The Common Core State Standards drafting process relied on teachers and standards experts from across the country. Teachers were involved in the development process in four ways:

- They served on the Work Groups and Feedback Groups for the ELA and math standards.

- The National Education Association (NEA), American Federation of Teachers (AFT), National Council of Teachers of Mathematics (NCTM), and National Council of Teachers of English (NCTE), among other organizations were instrumental in bringing together teachers to provide specific, constructive feedback on the standards

- Teachers were members of teams states convened to provide regular feedback on drafts of the standards.

- Teachers provided input on the Common Core State Standards during the two public comment periods."

http://www.corestandards.org/about-the-standards/development-process/

This has been shown to you a dozen times already. Just stop with the bullshit and the lies already!

You keep quoting this as if it's specific. It's vague and general. WHAT TEACHERS? NAME THEM!

You won't be able to, because all the input and feedback was for show.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

You'd be very wrong on that. Many people are arguing against Pearson.

Not here. But I suppose we could ask Jeff to do a sock puppet check based on your assertion here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

You keep quoting this as if it's specific. It's vague and general. WHAT TEACHERS? NAME THEM!

You won't be able to, because all the input and feedback was for show.

We've been through this already. It's boring. Teachers have been NAMED. Then the response to the NAMING of the TEACHERS was, "Those teachers don't count."

What I want to know is -- what difference does it make, in 2015? Even if you were right, which you're not, and no teachers were involved, what difference does it make now? What is your goal? Does it go like this?

1. Persuade everybody that no teachers were involved in 2008-2009.
2. Persuade everybody that therefore the Common Core standards are bad.
3. Persuade everybody that therefore the states must now (in 2015) dis-adopt the Common Core standards and go back to the standards they had before, which teachers may or may not have been involved with.

[Anonymous]

We've been through this already. It's boring. Teachers have been NAMED. Then the response to the NAMING of the TEACHERS was, "Those teachers don't count."

Maybe, because they weren't classroom teachers? Please tell me which of those who were on the development committees were teachers.

[Anonymous]

What I want to know is -- what difference does it make, in 2015? Even if you were right, which you're not, and no teachers were involved, what difference does it make now? What is your goal? Does it go like this?

Empty argument. You have given no rationale that the standards are good or appropriate. Just because you think so or you like them is not enough.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

What I want to know is -- what difference does it make, in 2015? Even if you were right, which you're not, and no teachers were involved, what difference does it make now? What is your goal? Does it go like this?

Empty argument. You have given no rationale that the standards are good or appropriate. Just because you think so or you like them is not enough.

I am not talking about whether or not the standards are good or appropriate. I am asking you what practical difference the information about teacher involvement in 2008-2009 will make right now in 2015. What goal are you trying to achieve when you keep bringing up teacher involvement?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

We've been through this already. It's boring. Teachers have been NAMED. Then the response to the NAMING of the TEACHERS was, "Those teachers don't count."

Maybe, because they weren't classroom teachers? Please tell me which of those who were on the development committees were teachers.

The NAMED TEACHERS were classroom teachers.

[Anonymous]

The NAMED TEACHERS were classroom teachers.

No. Not on the committees of those who wrote the standards.

[Anonymous]

https://deutsch29.wordpress.com/2014/04/23/those-24-common-core-2009-work-group-members/

Not on the work groups.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

The NAMED TEACHERS were classroom teachers.

No. Not on the committees of those who wrote the standards

Please remind me what the accusation is. As I recall, the accusation was, "Teachers were not involved!!!!!!!!!!!!!1" But actually the accusation is, "There were no current classroom teachers on the specific committees for x, y, and z"?

And what difference does it make, at this point?

[Anonymous]

And what difference does it make, at this point?

Hillary, is that you?