Who do you think is more delusional about who’s “in their league”? Men or women?

[Anonymous]

I think men think (or wish) they could get with the most beautiful women available, throughout their lives.

I think that the bar is SO LOW for men that women literally just wanting an equal partner is seen as being “too picky.” (Eg a woman with these same qualities wanting a boyfriend/husband that has a good career/earns good money, is attractive, is sexually sound and generous, is honest, has integrity, has good hygiene, is dependable, reliable, trustworthy and kind, is smart and has a sense of humor.) Like: why WOULDN’T that be considered the bare minimum?

Instead of shaming women for being picky, SHAME MEN FOR BEING LOSERS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think men think (or wish) they could get with the most beautiful women available, throughout their lives.

I think that the bar is SO LOW for men that women literally just wanting an equal partner is seen as being “too picky.” (Eg a woman with these same qualities wanting a boyfriend/husband that has a good career/earns good money, is attractive, is sexually sound and generous, is honest, has integrity, has good hygiene, is dependable, reliable, trustworthy and kind, is smart and has a sense of humor.) Like: why WOULDN’T that be considered the bare minimum?

Instead of shaming women for being picky, SHAME MEN FOR BEING LOSERS.

One more "the women are great, the men are awful, the women have worked on themselves" comment. There are plenty of crazy assed women out there, many with high paying jobs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think men think (or wish) they could get with the most beautiful women available, throughout their lives.

I think that the bar is SO LOW for men that women literally just wanting an equal partner is seen as being “too picky.” (Eg a woman with these same qualities wanting a boyfriend/husband that has a good career/earns good money, is attractive, is sexually sound and generous, is honest, has integrity, has good hygiene, is dependable, reliable, trustworthy and kind, is smart and has a sense of humor.) Like: why WOULDN’T that be considered the bare minimum?

Instead of shaming women for being picky, SHAME MEN FOR BEING LOSERS.

One more "the women are great, the men are awful, the women have worked on themselves" comment. There are plenty of crazy assed women out there, many with high paying jobs.

So? It is indisputable that the average woman brings much more to the table than the average man. Look around. Women also stand a much greater risk of violence by merely dating.

[Anonymous]

I have seen it in both. But I will say men are way more savage about it than women IMO.

When I was dating I never went for the super attractive guys because I knew they weren’t at my level. I’m not delusional. That being said I went on dates (met online) with a couple guys that I would probably say were much lower as far as looks than I (and i’m saying this as someone who knows that they are very much middle of the road) and was outright rejected/ghosted by them. Obviously for my looks which like ok? It was just kind of crazy as I’ve had guys who i’d say were several steps above me in looks be very interested.

Then there are women who want perfection when they themselves are far from perfect. I know 2 of these women and they are now in their mid forties-never married and no kids and still looking for perfection. I guess some people really want to end up alone.

[Anonymous]

Dating apps and social media give women an exaggerated sense of their marketability.

[Anonymous]

Men who are frustrated with the dating scene are very angry at the men who don't want to date them and don't want to commit to them because they feel they are special and entitled. We see this here all day every day. They don't seem to understand that anything is wrong with themselves. Men are different. They may try to use subterfuge of various kinds such as lying about their age, income, or marital stairs to get dates or sex, but not because they feel "entitled" to it just because of how great they supposedly are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know if other people had this experience, but I feel like, when it comes to dating, most of my male friends are like Ross from “Friends,” and they have one specific girl that they obsess over for months or years, whether they are dating her or not.

So, while a lot of my female friends have a list of “criteria” that seems unrealistic, they will usually date outside of that and kind of know that some of it is unreasonable. Meanwhile, the men say they have no criteria, but what they really mean is “Heather, (and whoever else will have sex with me while I try to get Heather to go out with me.)”

. That's because you've surrounded yourself with male friends who have no self respect and therefore are afraid to be honest about what they really want . In contrast, self respecting men want nothing to do with you. There's a reason for that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone spend their time thinking about this?

Men don't.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know if other people had this experience, but I feel like, when it comes to dating, most of my male friends are like Ross from “Friends,” and they have one specific girl that they obsess over for months or years, whether they are dating her or not.

So, while a lot of my female friends have a list of “criteria” that seems unrealistic, they will usually date outside of that and kind of know that some of it is unreasonable. Meanwhile, the men say they have no criteria, but what they really mean is “Heather, (and whoever else will have sex with me while I try to get Heather to go out with me.)”

. That's because you've surrounded yourself with male friends who have no self respect and therefore are afraid to be honest about what they really want . In contrast, self respecting men want nothing to do with you. There's a reason for that.

lol…the men I am thinking of don’t want to date me because I am their sister, cousin, mother, or much older married boss. I think they are as honest as anyone about what they want.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In college and in my early 20s I dated a lot of very “hot” guys but only three did I have a relationship with. My friends were always amazed when I moved on. Are you crazy? I decided my league weren’t the hot guys even if they were successful. I had a guy coworker for 3 years who wasn’t hot, though very good looking, but he had intangible qualities that really grew on me to the point where I finally realized he might be the one. I made a very serious first move and it worked! Later he said he thought I was out of his league. He was so wrong. You need to decide what the league is.

Translation: I got tired of dating the hot bad boys getting my back blown out and serially dumped and decided to look for the "safe stable guy" who I knew would be much less likely to cheat on me and who I could dominate because he thinks I'm out if his league and he's basically a wimp.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hmmm, I think it’s less about what’s in your league and more about the amount of effort required. In which case, men are more delulu.

I’m 40 and put in the effort to maintain my appearance, make a solid income, can hold a conversation, have a solid OLD profile, show up looking nice for a date, and am willing to do my share to make a relationship work.

But I see far too many men who put in bare minimum effort yet still feel entitled to sex/a relationship. They look bad, dress badly, put a couple of terrible selfies on their profile with “just ask!” as their bio, don’t want to plan a date, don’t want to travel for a date, hell most of them don’t even want to go on an actual date. They want to look and act gross yet expect women to come to them to give them BJs.

Most of them would do just fine with women if they shaved, bought some nice clothes, and put some effort into dating.

No they don't feel entitled to it. That's what your missing. You're not paying attention. Since all but the most attractive men are playing a.numbers game,as someone else mentioned, it would not be possible for them to devote the time, energy, or money to any individual prospective date that you seem to feel "entitled" to. Your response is EXACTLY an indicator of women's unstned sense of entitlement. You aren't entitled to anything. If you want to go out on a date with a guy, you are free to plan and pay for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In college and in my early 20s I dated a lot of very “hot” guys but only three did I have a relationship with. My friends were always amazed when I moved on. Are you crazy? I decided my league weren’t the hot guys even if they were successful. I had a guy coworker for 3 years who wasn’t hot, though very good looking, but he had intangible qualities that really grew on me to the point where I finally realized he might be the one. I made a very serious first move and it worked! Later he said he thought I was out of his league. He was so wrong. You need to decide what the league is.

Translation: I got tired of dating the hot bad boys getting my back blown out and serially dumped and decided to look for the "safe stable guy" who I knew would be much less likely to cheat on me and who I could dominate because he thinks I'm out if his league and he's basically a wimp.

translation - wow you have issues

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have a divorced friend who is divorced in her forties. She never finished college and never had a real job. She has plastic surgery and looks good for her age (48). She is still almost 50 and often says how she won’t settle. Her standards are only higher now and wants the total package.

So she has been leeching off men for her entire adult life. How many years before she's a bag lady?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Men think they are entitled to someone who is more attractive than they are, and women think they are entitled to someone who has more money than they do.

Indeed, I am. Why wouldn't I be entitled to an attractive woman? One of us has to be the less attractive one. Why does that have to be her and not me. Women say all the time that looks are not as important to them as they are for men. They value other qualities in a man a lot more than looks. Is that true, or not? Either way, I've always been glad to put it to the test.

The funny thing about this post is you don't understand or are not aware of how big of a douche it makes you look.
And your lame attempt at turning around other arguments you have heard falls flat. Because that doesn't mean they have to settle for you, which you seem to think they do.

Of course it doesn't. I didn't say I'm dragging them by the hair back to my cave. Just that I pursue them, same as I'd pursue any woman. Why should I limit my choices or decide for her what league I fall into? That makes me a douche? Please explain.

I’m an attractive slim woman of high NW. I was surprised that men who are overweight get upset or offended when rejected. When I feel somewhat romantic not not sufficiently horny to progress I would offer them to work out with me, change the diet, do hiking etc. They don’t want change shit instead resorting to blaming me for “being too picky”. If he’s a VP of an investment bank he thinks that his deep pocket compensates for dad bod. He in a way settles for women who are being dishonest with him and their feelings.

Men don’t care if women truly desire them or not. That’s concerning

So clueless. They aren't interested in being your hiking buddy etc. So good of you to "offer" that. They are offended because you weren't really sexually ever interested in them in the first place and are just toying with their feelings.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know if other people had this experience, but I feel like, when it comes to dating, most of my male friends are like Ross from “Friends,” and they have one specific girl that they obsess over for months or years, whether they are dating her or not.

So, while a lot of my female friends have a list of “criteria” that seems unrealistic, they will usually date outside of that and kind of know that some of it is unreasonable. Meanwhile, the men say they have no criteria, but what they really mean is “Heather, (and whoever else will have sex with me while I try to get Heather to go out with me.)”

. That's because you've surrounded yourself with male friends who have no self respect and therefore are afraid to be honest about what they really want . In contrast, self respecting men want nothing to do with you. There's a reason for that.

lol…the men I am thinking of don’t want to date me because I am their sister, cousin, mother, or much older married boss. I think they are as honest as anyone about what they want.

Mother? So this is how your sons are?