Please stop spreading Americans youth are dumb propaganda!

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Anonymous wrote:The AI summary of PISA scores; basically the only way to accurately compare academic performance across countries:
“ In the 2022 Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA), U.S. students' performance varied significantly by race. Asian students scored 578 in mathematics, 579 in reading, and 561 in science, placing them at the top internationally in all three subjects. White students scored 537 in mathematics, 537 in reading, and 537 in science, ranking among the highest performers globally. The U.S. overall average was 465 in mathematics, 504 in reading, and 499 in science, with Hispanic students scoring 471 in mathematics, 481 in reading, and 471 in science. Black students scored 445 in mathematics, 459 in reading, and 445 in science. Students of more than one race scored 513 in mathematics, 512 in reading, and 513 in science. These results indicate that while Asian and White students in the U.S. performed at levels comparable to top-performing countries, the overall U.S. average is influenced by lower scores among Hispanic and Black students.”

This is stupid.

You’re comparing results for our high-socioeconomic status groups with results for average students in other countries. If you want to show that white U.S. students are great, you need to compare them with the high-SES students in the other countries, not the average students.

What? This is comparing the scores of all white students in US; WV, Alabama etc included. US whites scored slightly worse than Japan, but better than Korea, Canada, Australia, Finland, the UK etc. Throwing out the breakout by race, the US flat out scored better than Sweden, Austria, Germany, France, Norway and the Netherlands. US Hispanics performed better than kids in Iceland.

Fact of the matter is, the educational system in the US is doing very well, and there are a ton of smart kids here.

Are you just assuming that all these European countries you are comparing US white students to are racially or socioeconomically homogenous?

They’re a lot more racially homogeneous than the US. Did you miss the second statement? “ Throwing out the breakout by race, the US flat out scored better than Sweden, Austria, Germany, France, Norway and the Netherlands.”

I swear, some people in this country seem to get off on crapping on the US.

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Anonymous wrote:The National Assessment of Educational Progress ("The Nation's Report Card") found that nearly half of high school seniors are testing below a basic level in both subjects, with reading scores hitting a historic low since testing began in 1992.

Have you compared the same clusters to the bottom of the rest of the world?

If you compare the top students globally, I’m fairly confident that the best students in the U.S. can easily outperform those from other countries. First, top U.S. students tend to be exceptionally skilled at multitasking, unlike many top students abroad who focus solely on academics. We also have top students who are Olympiad medalists and others who begin their entrepreneurial journeys at a very young age.

You just can’t oversimplify things by saying that young people are “dumb.” That’s such an irresponsible and generalized statement — it completely overlooks the talent, creativity, and drive that so many young people demonstrate every day.

Many yes, but not enough.

If you compare the top students of different countries, America is competitive only because of the children of immigrants.

We do not nurture excellence here. We strive for equity, diversity and inclusivity. If we deliberately developed our smartest kids, we wouldn't need to brain drsain the rest of the world.

Sure including children of the European immigrants

Why would Europeans want to immigrate here?

Because a lot of the former soviet states are still part of europe.

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Anonymous wrote:The best and brightest in the US still outshine the best and brightest elsewhere but for how long? Equity is driving average scores down a limiting opportunity for the best and brightest to reach their full potential. Sorry if that is an inconvenient truth.

How do you reach that conclusion?

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Anonymous wrote:CNN:

“She graduated from a Connecticut High School with Honors, But She Cannot Read”

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/02/27/us/connecticut-aleysha-ortiz-illiterate-lawsuit-cec

What about the Math or Physics competition winners? What about sports competitions? The bottom does not represent all

Indeed. If you look at this year's IMO (Math Olympiad) v/s questions even from 10 years ago -- most of the top kids have no trouble solving the latter. In fact, some of the IMO questions in recent years have been so hard that even Terry Tao and a bunch of college professors had to "group solve" questions and it took them a couple of hours or more but every member of the US team solved them in the time allotted. So the top echelon is astonishingly proficient.

And almost all of them are the children of immigrants.

As if you’re not the child of immigrants

I am an not only the children of immigrants, I am an immigrant.

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Anonymous wrote:The National Assessment of Educational Progress ("The Nation's Report Card") found that nearly half of high school seniors are testing below a basic level in both subjects, with reading scores hitting a historic low since testing began in 1992.

Have you compared the same clusters to the bottom of the rest of the world?

If you compare the top students globally, I’m fairly confident that the best students in the U.S. can easily outperform those from other countries. First, top U.S. students tend to be exceptionally skilled at multitasking, unlike many top students abroad who focus solely on academics. We also have top students who are Olympiad medalists and others who begin their entrepreneurial journeys at a very young age.

You just can’t oversimplify things by saying that young people are “dumb.” That’s such an irresponsible and generalized statement — it completely overlooks the talent, creativity, and drive that so many young people demonstrate every day.

What gives you this confidence? I have a niece and nephew in another country and I know there is no way my own kids (who are among the best students in their high school) could compete with them. The other system is brutal and to become the best demands a type of hard work my own kids never needed to do.

Grinding != Intelligence.

Exactly!!

I don't want my kids (or any really) to have to be grinding like that since they were tiny. To be placed on an academic track for their future by age 11/12 and to spend all day doing academics and nothing else.

My kid is at a great school (T40), with similar minded students, and they are all wickedly smart. Yet they also are people who have other interest and can participate in those interests and communicate with others about things beyond academics. My kid is an engineering major who has many other interests as well. That is what makes a great person---even for scientific research, we need people who do more than just live in a lab for 24 hours a day and nothing else.

Why do all these people with mediocre kids think that the smart kids are one dimensional?

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Anonymous wrote:Not all American youth are uneducated or incapable. Recent posts and social media narratives paint a this picture — suggesting that America’s future is doomed and that only immigrants can fill skilled jobs. This is simply not true.

Bold part is the key part.

Also, since the USA has one of the highest I.Q. rates in the world, along with Japan and China and perhaps a couple countries such as Switzerland, how exactly are immigrants from any other countries supposed to increase the national I.Q. level? T

hat's absurd, I.Q. levels would drop even more if most immigrants are not from those specific countries, unless all immigration is stopped and only really intelligent people are allowed in.

There are 32 countries with higher average IQ than the USA.

AND we are frequently not getting the average resident from those countries, we are brain draining them.

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Anonymous wrote:The best and brightest in the US still outshine the best and brightest elsewhere but for how long? Equity is driving average scores down a limiting opportunity for the best and brightest to reach their full potential. Sorry if that is an inconvenient truth.

How do you reach that conclusion?

just watch the Blue Origin launch 🚀 today!

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Anonymous wrote:The best and brightest in the US still outshine the best and brightest elsewhere but for how long? Equity is driving average scores down a limiting opportunity for the best and brightest to reach their full potential. Sorry if that is an inconvenient truth.

How do you reach that conclusion?

US won the most recent International Mathematical Olympiad...but it's lots of children of immigrants.

https://maa.org/news/usa-first-at-imo/

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White and black students are about the same as they have always been. The huge gap is between Asian and Latino kids. The US attracts highly educated, high .iQ Asians that pursue professional STEM fields and push their kids to compete academically. The US attracts uneducated, low IQ but hardworking Latino immigrants who pursue minimum wage or at best blue collar jobs and don’t put much into education. In another two generations, the Asians will probably come down in achievement and the Latinos come up in achievement but right now the gap is insurmountable.

The reality is that the US needs both types of immigrants. Daycare workers, construction crews and restaurant staff are needed as well as scientists , engineers and doctors.

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Anonymous wrote:The best and brightest in the US still outshine the best and brightest elsewhere but for how long? Equity is driving average scores down a limiting opportunity for the best and brightest to reach their full potential. Sorry if that is an inconvenient truth.

How do you reach that conclusion?

US won the most recent International Mathematical Olympiad...but it's lots of children of immigrants.

https://maa.org/news/usa-first-at-imo/

That was last year. US barely made 2nd this year (Korea was a pretty close 3rd and China was a clear winner). There are about 15-20 kids in the US who can make the IMO team (the Team Selection Test group at the Math Olympiad Summer program). China TST has a much larger cohort and most of them could easily take the place of the US team members. The last non-immigrant US team member was Luke Robitaiile and that was a while ago now.

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Anonymous wrote:The best and brightest in the US still outshine the best and brightest elsewhere but for how long? Equity is driving average scores down a limiting opportunity for the best and brightest to reach their full potential. Sorry if that is an inconvenient truth.

How do you reach that conclusion?

US won the most recent International Mathematical Olympiad...but it's lots of children of immigrants.

https://maa.org/news/usa-first-at-imo/

That was last year. US barely made 2nd this year (Korea was a pretty close 3rd and China was a clear winner). There are about 15-20 kids in the US who can make the IMO team (the Team Selection Test group at the Math Olympiad Summer program). China TST has a much larger cohort and most of them could easily take the place of the US team members. The last non-immigrant US team member was Luke Robitaiile and that was a while ago now.

Ok…the comment was about our best and brightest and we won in 2024 and finished 2nd in 2025.

Nobody said it’s a huge group.

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Anonymous wrote:The National Assessment of Educational Progress ("The Nation's Report Card") found that nearly half of high school seniors are testing below a basic level in both subjects, with reading scores hitting a historic low since testing began in 1992.

Have you compared the same clusters to the bottom of the rest of the world?

If you compare the top students globally, I’m fairly confident that the best students in the U.S. can easily outperform those from other countries. First, top U.S. students tend to be exceptionally skilled at multitasking, unlike many top students abroad who focus solely on academics. We also have top students who are Olympiad medalists and others who begin their entrepreneurial journeys at a very young age.

You just can’t oversimplify things by saying that young people are “dumb.” That’s such an irresponsible and generalized statement — it completely overlooks the talent, creativity, and drive that so many young people demonstrate every day.

Most of those Olympiad winners are from those unable-to-multitask stereotyped ethnicities that racist people like you love to scapegoat because your parenting sucks.

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Anonymous wrote:Not all American youth are uneducated or incapable. Recent posts and social media narratives paint a this picture — suggesting that America’s future is doomed and that only immigrants can fill skilled jobs. This is simply not true.

Bold part is the key part.

Also, since the USA has one of the highest I.Q. rates in the world, along with Japan and China and perhaps a couple countries such as Switzerland, how exactly are immigrants from any other countries supposed to increase the national I.Q. level? T

hat's absurd, I.Q. levels would drop even more if most immigrants are not from those specific countries, unless all immigration is stopped and only really intelligent people are allowed in.

There are 32 countries with higher average IQ than the USA.

LMAO, no. not even.

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Anonymous wrote:White and black students are about the same as they have always been. The huge gap is between Asian and Latino kids. The US attracts highly educated, high .iQ Asians that pursue professional STEM fields and push their kids to compete academically. The US attracts uneducated, low IQ but hardworking Latino immigrants who pursue minimum wage or at best blue collar jobs and don’t put much into education. In another two generations, the Asians will probably come down in achievement and the Latinos come up in achievement but right now the gap is insurmountable.

The reality is that the US needs both types of immigrants. Daycare workers, construction crews and restaurant staff are needed as well as scientists , engineers and doctors.

Wow, such a racist and elitist outlook you have.

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Anonymous wrote:The best and brightest in the US still outshine the best and brightest elsewhere but for how long? Equity is driving average scores down a limiting opportunity for the best and brightest to reach their full potential. Sorry if that is an inconvenient truth.

How do you reach that conclusion?

Because the US still leads the world and students from all over the world come to the US to take America’s intellectual property home with them.