Scott Wolf (Party of Five) and wife Kelley are divorcing

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Anonymous wrote:A sane person would not act like Kelley, even when provoked by a narc (which may not even be the case. We do NOT know.)

Narc’s just dont provoke, they methodically destroy over a long period of time with many multiple cycles of abuse. Of course it could be something else but his statement gave him away. Victims of long term abuse absolutely look like Kelly. It is a disservice to abuse victims to pretend like they come out of these situations mentally intact. It takes years, sometimes even decades for these victims to recover. She was filmed for six months in the Real World 24 hours a day and she was so sane and calm she was annoyingly boring. She’s not bipolar.

Isnt the definition of bipolar, extreme moods in both directions, highs and lows?

No Bipolar is a genetic chemical imbalance in the brain that can be treated by meds. Kelly probably has thousands of hours if reality TV footage that proves she’s sane. I am fairly confident that what Kelly is suffering is CPTSD also known as Complex PTSD which is often misdiagnosed as and can look like Bipolar disorder on the surface. CPTSD is caused by chronic trauma usually in the form of repeated abuse as is typically seen in victims of narcissistic abuse. Victims of CPTSD and are often stuck in flight or fright mode from walking on eggshells waiting for the next abuse cycle. Idealize (lovebombing) Devalue (abuse) Discard (threats of divorce,etc) then Calm then back to lovebombing. The charming Narcissists victim is co dependent on their abuser and the cycle is so insidious and manipulative the victim begind to lose their sense of reality. This cycle can repeat multiple times a year over decades until the final Discard which is where Kelley is now, leaving the codependent victim devastated often leading to a meltdown. As a result of abuse, CPTSD victims have a destabilized sense of self which causes like depression and anxiety which can be treated with meds but what she really needs is a great therapist and an amazing attorney. She’s not crazy, she’s abused.

So you have seen her medical records to know all her diagnoses?

Will you at least acknowledge that drinking whiskey straight out of the hospital is a bad idea?

I don’t have to see her medical records. It’s playing out like a textbook version of Narcissistic abuse, even the alienating of the children from their mother. Teens are particularly vulnerable to this manipulation because they are already rebellious. The parent in charge will lay down the law, then insteading of supporting them and the rules, the narc will do the exact opposite creating a wedge. Narcs do this to completely isolate and discredit their victim and they are cool and methodical under pressure while they do it. It’s difficult to see or understand unless you’ve experienced it but once you have, you know it when you see it.

I agree she absolutely needs help. One THOUSAND percent!!! I think as a codependent with CPTSD she is melting down for multiple reasons including abandonment, fear of the future and aging, loss of nuclear family unit, loss of identity (he’s a celeb and they falsely portrayed a “perfect family” for years ) and add in perimenopause which in itself is horrific. But she’s NOT chronically mentally ill. She IS however in crisis and making terrible decisions right now because she isn’t thinking correctly. However, she should NOT be in a bar drinking with a hospital band but she’s melting down and trying to reclaim what’s left of her life. She was forced into a mental hospital and that was her eff you to the brother in law who called her Dad and put her there. The BIL who should not even have been in HER house. The BIL was in her house “helping” so Scott could control things from afar and act as a spy. Narcs HAVE to be in control.

Kelley needs rescue meds, intense therapy, immediate help, true friends and support now because she is in crisis, not because she is bipolar but because she is abused.

I agree that Kelley needs all those things. My sense is that she either resists treatment or does it sporadically, which is unfortunately common for mentally ill people. They feel good for a few days and stop taking their meds, and the cycle of bad behavior starts again.

I think her family was attempting to get that kind of help when her dad called the cops. She probably knows the right things to say to get out of the hospital. It usually involved telling the treatment provider that you have no intention of hurting yourself or anyone else. Once you are stabilized and make that declaration, they let you out. So she is essentially stuck in a cycle of dangerous behavior followed by treatment. Her family cannot force her into a treatment program unless she is an ongoing danger to herself or them. Everyone is stuck unless she is willing to enter a serious Inpatient mental health facility.

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Anonymous wrote:A sane person would not act like Kelley, even when provoked by a narc (which may not even be the case. We do NOT know.)

Narc’s just dont provoke, they methodically destroy over a long period of time with many multiple cycles of abuse. Of course it could be something else but his statement gave him away. Victims of long term abuse absolutely look like Kelly. It is a disservice to abuse victims to pretend like they come out of these situations mentally intact. It takes years, sometimes even decades for these victims to recover. She was filmed for six months in the Real World 24 hours a day and she was so sane and calm she was annoyingly boring. She’s not bipolar.

Isnt the definition of bipolar, extreme moods in both directions, highs and lows?

No Bipolar is a genetic chemical imbalance in the brain that can be treated by meds. Kelly probably has thousands of hours if reality TV footage that proves she’s sane. I am fairly confident that what Kelly is suffering is CPTSD also known as Complex PTSD which is often misdiagnosed as and can look like Bipolar disorder on the surface. CPTSD is caused by chronic trauma usually in the form of repeated abuse as is typically seen in victims of narcissistic abuse. Victims of CPTSD and are often stuck in flight or fright mode from walking on eggshells waiting for the next abuse cycle. Idealize (lovebombing) Devalue (abuse) Discard (threats of divorce,etc) then Calm then back to lovebombing. The charming Narcissists victim is co dependent on their abuser and the cycle is so insidious and manipulative the victim begind to lose their sense of reality. This cycle can repeat multiple times a year over decades until the final Discard which is where Kelley is now, leaving the codependent victim devastated often leading to a meltdown. As a result of abuse, CPTSD victims have a destabilized sense of self which causes like depression and anxiety which can be treated with meds but what she really needs is a great therapist and an amazing attorney. She’s not crazy, she’s abused.

So you have seen her medical records to know all her diagnoses?

Will you at least acknowledge that drinking whiskey straight out of the hospital is a bad idea?

I don’t have to see her medical records. It’s playing out like a textbook version of Narcissistic abuse, even the alienating of the children from their mother. Teens are particularly vulnerable to this manipulation because they are already rebellious. The parent in charge will lay down the law, then insteading of supporting them and the rules, the narc will do the exact opposite creating a wedge. Narcs do this to completely isolate and discredit their victim and they are cool and methodical under pressure while they do it. It’s difficult to see or understand unless you’ve experienced it but once you have, you know it when you see it.

I agree she absolutely needs help. One THOUSAND percent!!! I think as a codependent with CPTSD she is melting down for multiple reasons including abandonment, fear of the future and aging, loss of nuclear family unit, loss of identity (he’s a celeb and they falsely portrayed a “perfect family” for years ) and add in perimenopause which in itself is horrific. But she’s NOT chronically mentally ill. She IS however in crisis and making terrible decisions right now because she isn’t thinking correctly. However, she should NOT be in a bar drinking with a hospital band but she’s melting down and trying to reclaim what’s left of her life. She was forced into a mental hospital and that was her eff you to the brother in law who called her Dad and put her there. The BIL who should not even have been in HER house. The BIL was in her house “helping” so Scott could control things from afar and act as a spy. Narcs HAVE to be in control.

Kelley needs rescue meds, intense therapy, immediate help, true friends and support now because she is in crisis, not because she is bipolar but because she is abused.

I agree that Kelley needs all those things. My sense is that she either resists treatment or does it sporadically, which is unfortunately common for mentally ill people. They feel good for a few days and stop taking their meds, and the cycle of bad behavior starts again.

I think her family was attempting to get that kind of help when her dad called the cops. She probably knows the right things to say to get out of the hospital. It usually involved telling the treatment provider that you have no intention of hurting yourself or anyone else. Once you are stabilized and make that declaration, they let you out. So she is essentially stuck in a cycle of dangerous behavior followed by treatment. Her family cannot force her into a treatment program unless she is an ongoing danger to herself or them. Everyone is stuck unless she is willing to enter a serious Inpatient mental health facility.

Sure, she can go to an Inpatient facility for this current momentary crisis but then what? There is no existing treatment that will relieve her of his narcissistic abuse and control except for going No Contact.

She can’t do that because
1) the kids keep them connected who he will continue to weaponize them against her and
2) His celebrity ensures she can’t ever get away from him. No matter where she goes, there he is. She’s connected to her abusive yet charismatic Narc for life and he’s in the power position.

She knows she can’t ever escape him and feels cornered. She’s not mentally ill. There’s too much footage that shows no history. Perimenopause combined with CPTSD and trauma is real. The BIL living in her house refusing to leave and meddling in her parenting on Scott’s behalf is a huge red flag. She definitely needs help. I will die on this hill in her corner.

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Anonymous wrote:A sane person would not act like Kelley, even when provoked by a narc (which may not even be the case. We do NOT know.)

Narc’s just dont provoke, they methodically destroy over a long period of time with many multiple cycles of abuse. Of course it could be something else but his statement gave him away. Victims of long term abuse absolutely look like Kelly. It is a disservice to abuse victims to pretend like they come out of these situations mentally intact. It takes years, sometimes even decades for these victims to recover. She was filmed for six months in the Real World 24 hours a day and she was so sane and calm she was annoyingly boring. She’s not bipolar.

Isnt the definition of bipolar, extreme moods in both directions, highs and lows?

No Bipolar is a genetic chemical imbalance in the brain that can be treated by meds. Kelly probably has thousands of hours if reality TV footage that proves she’s sane. I am fairly confident that what Kelly is suffering is CPTSD also known as Complex PTSD which is often misdiagnosed as and can look like Bipolar disorder on the surface. CPTSD is caused by chronic trauma usually in the form of repeated abuse as is typically seen in victims of narcissistic abuse. Victims of CPTSD and are often stuck in flight or fright mode from walking on eggshells waiting for the next abuse cycle. Idealize (lovebombing) Devalue (abuse) Discard (threats of divorce,etc) then Calm then back to lovebombing. The charming Narcissists victim is co dependent on their abuser and the cycle is so insidious and manipulative the victim begind to lose their sense of reality. This cycle can repeat multiple times a year over decades until the final Discard which is where Kelley is now, leaving the codependent victim devastated often leading to a meltdown. As a result of abuse, CPTSD victims have a destabilized sense of self which causes like depression and anxiety which can be treated with meds but what she really needs is a great therapist and an amazing attorney. She’s not crazy, she’s abused.

So you have seen her medical records to know all her diagnoses?

Will you at least acknowledge that drinking whiskey straight out of the hospital is a bad idea?

I don’t have to see her medical records. It’s playing out like a textbook version of Narcissistic abuse, even the alienating of the children from their mother. Teens are particularly vulnerable to this manipulation because they are already rebellious. The parent in charge will lay down the law, then insteading of supporting them and the rules, the narc will do the exact opposite creating a wedge. Narcs do this to completely isolate and discredit their victim and they are cool and methodical under pressure while they do it. It’s difficult to see or understand unless you’ve experienced it but once you have, you know it when you see it.

I agree she absolutely needs help. One THOUSAND percent!!! I think as a codependent with CPTSD she is melting down for multiple reasons including abandonment, fear of the future and aging, loss of nuclear family unit, loss of identity (he’s a celeb and they falsely portrayed a “perfect family” for years ) and add in perimenopause which in itself is horrific. But she’s NOT chronically mentally ill. She IS however in crisis and making terrible decisions right now because she isn’t thinking correctly. However, she should NOT be in a bar drinking with a hospital band but she’s melting down and trying to reclaim what’s left of her life. She was forced into a mental hospital and that was her eff you to the brother in law who called her Dad and put her there. The BIL who should not even have been in HER house. The BIL was in her house “helping” so Scott could control things from afar and act as a spy. Narcs HAVE to be in control.

Kelley needs rescue meds, intense therapy, immediate help, true friends and support now because she is in crisis, not because she is bipolar but because she is abused.

I agree that Kelley needs all those things. My sense is that she either resists treatment or does it sporadically, which is unfortunately common for mentally ill people. They feel good for a few days and stop taking their meds, and the cycle of bad behavior starts again.

I think her family was attempting to get that kind of help when her dad called the cops. She probably knows the right things to say to get out of the hospital. It usually involved telling the treatment provider that you have no intention of hurting yourself or anyone else. Once you are stabilized and make that declaration, they let you out. So she is essentially stuck in a cycle of dangerous behavior followed by treatment. Her family cannot force her into a treatment program unless she is an ongoing danger to herself or them. Everyone is stuck unless she is willing to enter a serious Inpatient mental health facility.

Sure, she can go to an Inpatient facility for this current momentary crisis but then what? There is no existing treatment that will relieve her of his narcissistic abuse and control except for going No Contact.

She can’t do that because
1) the kids keep them connected who he will continue to weaponize them against her and
2) His celebrity ensures she can’t ever get away from him. No matter where she goes, there he is. She’s connected to her abusive yet charismatic Narc for life and he’s in the power position.

She knows she can’t ever escape him and feels cornered. She’s not mentally ill. There’s too much footage that shows no history. Perimenopause combined with CPTSD and trauma is real. The BIL living in her house refusing to leave and meddling in her parenting on Scott’s behalf is a huge red flag. She definitely needs help. I will die on this hill in her corner.

You are speculating and have no idea. This crisis she’s in goes way beyond perimenopause. Her own dad called 911 on her. You have 0 evidence that Scott was abusive aside when she muttered it when she was being arrested, but she also said the cops were abusive.

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Anonymous wrote:A sane person would not act like Kelley, even when provoked by a narc (which may not even be the case. We do NOT know.)

Narc’s just dont provoke, they methodically destroy over a long period of time with many multiple cycles of abuse. Of course it could be something else but his statement gave him away. Victims of long term abuse absolutely look like Kelly. It is a disservice to abuse victims to pretend like they come out of these situations mentally intact. It takes years, sometimes even decades for these victims to recover. She was filmed for six months in the Real World 24 hours a day and she was so sane and calm she was annoyingly boring. She’s not bipolar.

Isnt the definition of bipolar, extreme moods in both directions, highs and lows?

No Bipolar is a genetic chemical imbalance in the brain that can be treated by meds. Kelly probably has thousands of hours if reality TV footage that proves she’s sane. I am fairly confident that what Kelly is suffering is CPTSD also known as Complex PTSD which is often misdiagnosed as and can look like Bipolar disorder on the surface. CPTSD is caused by chronic trauma usually in the form of repeated abuse as is typically seen in victims of narcissistic abuse. Victims of CPTSD and are often stuck in flight or fright mode from walking on eggshells waiting for the next abuse cycle. Idealize (lovebombing) Devalue (abuse) Discard (threats of divorce,etc) then Calm then back to lovebombing. The charming Narcissists victim is co dependent on their abuser and the cycle is so insidious and manipulative the victim begind to lose their sense of reality. This cycle can repeat multiple times a year over decades until the final Discard which is where Kelley is now, leaving the codependent victim devastated often leading to a meltdown. As a result of abuse, CPTSD victims have a destabilized sense of self which causes like depression and anxiety which can be treated with meds but what she really needs is a great therapist and an amazing attorney. She’s not crazy, she’s abused.

So you have seen her medical records to know all her diagnoses?

Will you at least acknowledge that drinking whiskey straight out of the hospital is a bad idea?

I don’t have to see her medical records. It’s playing out like a textbook version of Narcissistic abuse, even the alienating of the children from their mother. Teens are particularly vulnerable to this manipulation because they are already rebellious. The parent in charge will lay down the law, then insteading of supporting them and the rules, the narc will do the exact opposite creating a wedge. Narcs do this to completely isolate and discredit their victim and they are cool and methodical under pressure while they do it. It’s difficult to see or understand unless you’ve experienced it but once you have, you know it when you see it.

I agree she absolutely needs help. One THOUSAND percent!!! I think as a codependent with CPTSD she is melting down for multiple reasons including abandonment, fear of the future and aging, loss of nuclear family unit, loss of identity (he’s a celeb and they falsely portrayed a “perfect family” for years ) and add in perimenopause which in itself is horrific. But she’s NOT chronically mentally ill. She IS however in crisis and making terrible decisions right now because she isn’t thinking correctly. However, she should NOT be in a bar drinking with a hospital band but she’s melting down and trying to reclaim what’s left of her life. She was forced into a mental hospital and that was her eff you to the brother in law who called her Dad and put her there. The BIL who should not even have been in HER house. The BIL was in her house “helping” so Scott could control things from afar and act as a spy. Narcs HAVE to be in control.

Kelley needs rescue meds, intense therapy, immediate help, true friends and support now because she is in crisis, not because she is bipolar but because she is abused.

I agree that Kelley needs all those things. My sense is that she either resists treatment or does it sporadically, which is unfortunately common for mentally ill people. They feel good for a few days and stop taking their meds, and the cycle of bad behavior starts again.

I think her family was attempting to get that kind of help when her dad called the cops. She probably knows the right things to say to get out of the hospital. It usually involved telling the treatment provider that you have no intention of hurting yourself or anyone else. Once you are stabilized and make that declaration, they let you out. So she is essentially stuck in a cycle of dangerous behavior followed by treatment. Her family cannot force her into a treatment program unless she is an ongoing danger to herself or them. Everyone is stuck unless she is willing to enter a serious Inpatient mental health facility.

Sure, she can go to an Inpatient facility for this current momentary crisis but then what? There is no existing treatment that will relieve her of his narcissistic abuse and control except for going No Contact.

She can’t do that because
1) the kids keep them connected who he will continue to weaponize them against her and
2) His celebrity ensures she can’t ever get away from him. No matter where she goes, there he is. She’s connected to her abusive yet charismatic Narc for life and he’s in the power position.

She knows she can’t ever escape him and feels cornered. She’s not mentally ill. There’s too much footage that shows no history. Perimenopause combined with CPTSD and trauma is real. The BIL living in her house refusing to leave and meddling in her parenting on Scott’s behalf is a huge red flag. She definitely needs help. I will die on this hill in her corner.

Also why does she need inpatient? That further abuses an already abused person. He’s the one with the personality disorder, send him. She needs to continue her soul healing trip then go home, kick the BIL out of HER house, bring in her parents to live temporarily for emotional support, wrap her arms around her kids, hire a therapist who specializes in EMDR for CPTSD, hire a psychiatrist who specializes in trauma and get meds, get hormone replacement therapy, hire a PR person and a high profile attorney, walk in nature, touch grass, attend group therapy and spill her guts out to other abused women and take care of her looks and herself. Then when the kids age out of the house, disappear from his radar and go no contact.

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Anonymous wrote:A sane person would not act like Kelley, even when provoked by a narc (which may not even be the case. We do NOT know.)

Narc’s just dont provoke, they methodically destroy over a long period of time with many multiple cycles of abuse. Of course it could be something else but his statement gave him away. Victims of long term abuse absolutely look like Kelly. It is a disservice to abuse victims to pretend like they come out of these situations mentally intact. It takes years, sometimes even decades for these victims to recover. She was filmed for six months in the Real World 24 hours a day and she was so sane and calm she was annoyingly boring. She’s not bipolar.

Isnt the definition of bipolar, extreme moods in both directions, highs and lows?

No Bipolar is a genetic chemical imbalance in the brain that can be treated by meds. Kelly probably has thousands of hours if reality TV footage that proves she’s sane. I am fairly confident that what Kelly is suffering is CPTSD also known as Complex PTSD which is often misdiagnosed as and can look like Bipolar disorder on the surface. CPTSD is caused by chronic trauma usually in the form of repeated abuse as is typically seen in victims of narcissistic abuse. Victims of CPTSD and are often stuck in flight or fright mode from walking on eggshells waiting for the next abuse cycle. Idealize (lovebombing) Devalue (abuse) Discard (threats of divorce,etc) then Calm then back to lovebombing. The charming Narcissists victim is co dependent on their abuser and the cycle is so insidious and manipulative the victim begind to lose their sense of reality. This cycle can repeat multiple times a year over decades until the final Discard which is where Kelley is now, leaving the codependent victim devastated often leading to a meltdown. As a result of abuse, CPTSD victims have a destabilized sense of self which causes like depression and anxiety which can be treated with meds but what she really needs is a great therapist and an amazing attorney. She’s not crazy, she’s abused.

So you have seen her medical records to know all her diagnoses?

Will you at least acknowledge that drinking whiskey straight out of the hospital is a bad idea?

I don’t have to see her medical records. It’s playing out like a textbook version of Narcissistic abuse, even the alienating of the children from their mother. Teens are particularly vulnerable to this manipulation because they are already rebellious. The parent in charge will lay down the law, then insteading of supporting them and the rules, the narc will do the exact opposite creating a wedge. Narcs do this to completely isolate and discredit their victim and they are cool and methodical under pressure while they do it. It’s difficult to see or understand unless you’ve experienced it but once you have, you know it when you see it.

I agree she absolutely needs help. One THOUSAND percent!!! I think as a codependent with CPTSD she is melting down for multiple reasons including abandonment, fear of the future and aging, loss of nuclear family unit, loss of identity (he’s a celeb and they falsely portrayed a “perfect family” for years ) and add in perimenopause which in itself is horrific. But she’s NOT chronically mentally ill. She IS however in crisis and making terrible decisions right now because she isn’t thinking correctly. However, she should NOT be in a bar drinking with a hospital band but she’s melting down and trying to reclaim what’s left of her life. She was forced into a mental hospital and that was her eff you to the brother in law who called her Dad and put her there. The BIL who should not even have been in HER house. The BIL was in her house “helping” so Scott could control things from afar and act as a spy. Narcs HAVE to be in control.

Kelley needs rescue meds, intense therapy, immediate help, true friends and support now because she is in crisis, not because she is bipolar but because she is abused.

I agree that Kelley needs all those things. My sense is that she either resists treatment or does it sporadically, which is unfortunately common for mentally ill people. They feel good for a few days and stop taking their meds, and the cycle of bad behavior starts again.

I think her family was attempting to get that kind of help when her dad called the cops. She probably knows the right things to say to get out of the hospital. It usually involved telling the treatment provider that you have no intention of hurting yourself or anyone else. Once you are stabilized and make that declaration, they let you out. So she is essentially stuck in a cycle of dangerous behavior followed by treatment. Her family cannot force her into a treatment program unless she is an ongoing danger to herself or them. Everyone is stuck unless she is willing to enter a serious Inpatient mental health facility.

Sure, she can go to an Inpatient facility for this current momentary crisis but then what? There is no existing treatment that will relieve her of his narcissistic abuse and control except for going No Contact.

She can’t do that because
1) the kids keep them connected who he will continue to weaponize them against her and
2) His celebrity ensures she can’t ever get away from him. No matter where she goes, there he is. She’s connected to her abusive yet charismatic Narc for life and he’s in the power position.

She knows she can’t ever escape him and feels cornered. She’s not mentally ill. There’s too much footage that shows no history. Perimenopause combined with CPTSD and trauma is real. The BIL living in her house refusing to leave and meddling in her parenting on Scott’s behalf is a huge red flag. She definitely needs help. I will die on this hill in her corner.

You are speculating and have no idea. This crisis she’s in goes way beyond perimenopause. Her own dad called 911 on her. You have 0 evidence that Scott was abusive aside when she muttered it when she was being arrested, but she also said the cops were abusive.

Yes, it does go beyond perimenopause. She has CPTSD from emotional psychological trauma which is no joke. It will take her years to recover. I bet she felt suicidal because she saw no way out from her celebrity narcissist’s control and said she wanted to die. So being out of state and helpless, Dad called for help. She didn’t say the cops were abusive. She said she was being further abused and they weren’t aware if it. It’s obvious as day what happened.

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Anonymous wrote:A sane person would not act like Kelley, even when provoked by a narc (which may not even be the case. We do NOT know.)

Narc’s just dont provoke, they methodically destroy over a long period of time with many multiple cycles of abuse. Of course it could be something else but his statement gave him away. Victims of long term abuse absolutely look like Kelly. It is a disservice to abuse victims to pretend like they come out of these situations mentally intact. It takes years, sometimes even decades for these victims to recover. She was filmed for six months in the Real World 24 hours a day and she was so sane and calm she was annoyingly boring. She’s not bipolar.

Isnt the definition of bipolar, extreme moods in both directions, highs and lows?

No Bipolar is a genetic chemical imbalance in the brain that can be treated by meds. Kelly probably has thousands of hours if reality TV footage that proves she’s sane. I am fairly confident that what Kelly is suffering is CPTSD also known as Complex PTSD which is often misdiagnosed as and can look like Bipolar disorder on the surface. CPTSD is caused by chronic trauma usually in the form of repeated abuse as is typically seen in victims of narcissistic abuse. Victims of CPTSD and are often stuck in flight or fright mode from walking on eggshells waiting for the next abuse cycle. Idealize (lovebombing) Devalue (abuse) Discard (threats of divorce,etc) then Calm then back to lovebombing. The charming Narcissists victim is co dependent on their abuser and the cycle is so insidious and manipulative the victim begind to lose their sense of reality. This cycle can repeat multiple times a year over decades until the final Discard which is where Kelley is now, leaving the codependent victim devastated often leading to a meltdown. As a result of abuse, CPTSD victims have a destabilized sense of self which causes like depression and anxiety which can be treated with meds but what she really needs is a great therapist and an amazing attorney. She’s not crazy, she’s abused.

So you have seen her medical records to know all her diagnoses?

Will you at least acknowledge that drinking whiskey straight out of the hospital is a bad idea?

I don’t have to see her medical records. It’s playing out like a textbook version of Narcissistic abuse, even the alienating of the children from their mother. Teens are particularly vulnerable to this manipulation because they are already rebellious. The parent in charge will lay down the law, then insteading of supporting them and the rules, the narc will do the exact opposite creating a wedge. Narcs do this to completely isolate and discredit their victim and they are cool and methodical under pressure while they do it. It’s difficult to see or understand unless you’ve experienced it but once you have, you know it when you see it.

I agree she absolutely needs help. One THOUSAND percent!!! I think as a codependent with CPTSD she is melting down for multiple reasons including abandonment, fear of the future and aging, loss of nuclear family unit, loss of identity (he’s a celeb and they falsely portrayed a “perfect family” for years ) and add in perimenopause which in itself is horrific. But she’s NOT chronically mentally ill. She IS however in crisis and making terrible decisions right now because she isn’t thinking correctly. However, she should NOT be in a bar drinking with a hospital band but she’s melting down and trying to reclaim what’s left of her life. She was forced into a mental hospital and that was her eff you to the brother in law who called her Dad and put her there. The BIL who should not even have been in HER house. The BIL was in her house “helping” so Scott could control things from afar and act as a spy. Narcs HAVE to be in control.

Kelley needs rescue meds, intense therapy, immediate help, true friends and support now because she is in crisis, not because she is bipolar but because she is abused.

I agree that Kelley needs all those things. My sense is that she either resists treatment or does it sporadically, which is unfortunately common for mentally ill people. They feel good for a few days and stop taking their meds, and the cycle of bad behavior starts again.

I think her family was attempting to get that kind of help when her dad called the cops. She probably knows the right things to say to get out of the hospital. It usually involved telling the treatment provider that you have no intention of hurting yourself or anyone else. Once you are stabilized and make that declaration, they let you out. So she is essentially stuck in a cycle of dangerous behavior followed by treatment. Her family cannot force her into a treatment program unless she is an ongoing danger to herself or them. Everyone is stuck unless she is willing to enter a serious Inpatient mental health facility.

Sure, she can go to an Inpatient facility for this current momentary crisis but then what? There is no existing treatment that will relieve her of his narcissistic abuse and control except for going No Contact.

She can’t do that because
1) the kids keep them connected who he will continue to weaponize them against her and
2) His celebrity ensures she can’t ever get away from him. No matter where she goes, there he is. She’s connected to her abusive yet charismatic Narc for life and he’s in the power position.

She knows she can’t ever escape him and feels cornered. She’s not mentally ill. There’s too much footage that shows no history. Perimenopause combined with CPTSD and trauma is real. The BIL living in her house refusing to leave and meddling in her parenting on Scott’s behalf is a huge red flag. She definitely needs help. I will die on this hill in her corner.

Also why does she need inpatient? That further abuses an already abused person. He’s the one with the personality disorder, send him. She needs to continue her soul healing trip then go home, kick the BIL out of HER house, bring in her parents to live temporarily for emotional support, wrap her arms around her kids, hire a therapist who specializes in EMDR for CPTSD, hire a psychiatrist who specializes in trauma and get meds, get hormone replacement therapy, hire a PR person and a high profile attorney, walk in nature, touch grass, attend group therapy and spill her guts out to other abused women and take care of her looks and herself. Then when the kids age out of the house, disappear from his radar and go no contact.

She nees inpatient because she is not getting better on her own..A person who is getting better does not get drunk on the way home from the hospital.

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Can we just ignore the excessive projecting "narc" posts? The poster is not open to dialogue, and it's tiresome.

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Anonymous wrote:A sane person would not act like Kelley, even when provoked by a narc (which may not even be the case. We do NOT know.)

Narc’s just dont provoke, they methodically destroy over a long period of time with many multiple cycles of abuse. Of course it could be something else but his statement gave him away. Victims of long term abuse absolutely look like Kelly. It is a disservice to abuse victims to pretend like they come out of these situations mentally intact. It takes years, sometimes even decades for these victims to recover. She was filmed for six months in the Real World 24 hours a day and she was so sane and calm she was annoyingly boring. She’s not bipolar.

Isnt the definition of bipolar, extreme moods in both directions, highs and lows?

No Bipolar is a genetic chemical imbalance in the brain that can be treated by meds. Kelly probably has thousands of hours if reality TV footage that proves she’s sane. I am fairly confident that what Kelly is suffering is CPTSD also known as Complex PTSD which is often misdiagnosed as and can look like Bipolar disorder on the surface. CPTSD is caused by chronic trauma usually in the form of repeated abuse as is typically seen in victims of narcissistic abuse. Victims of CPTSD and are often stuck in flight or fright mode from walking on eggshells waiting for the next abuse cycle. Idealize (lovebombing) Devalue (abuse) Discard (threats of divorce,etc) then Calm then back to lovebombing. The charming Narcissists victim is co dependent on their abuser and the cycle is so insidious and manipulative the victim begind to lose their sense of reality. This cycle can repeat multiple times a year over decades until the final Discard which is where Kelley is now, leaving the codependent victim devastated often leading to a meltdown. As a result of abuse, CPTSD victims have a destabilized sense of self which causes like depression and anxiety which can be treated with meds but what she really needs is a great therapist and an amazing attorney. She’s not crazy, she’s abused.

So you have seen her medical records to know all her diagnoses?

Will you at least acknowledge that drinking whiskey straight out of the hospital is a bad idea?

I don’t have to see her medical records. It’s playing out like a textbook version of Narcissistic abuse, even the alienating of the children from their mother. Teens are particularly vulnerable to this manipulation because they are already rebellious. The parent in charge will lay down the law, then insteading of supporting them and the rules, the narc will do the exact opposite creating a wedge. Narcs do this to completely isolate and discredit their victim and they are cool and methodical under pressure while they do it. It’s difficult to see or understand unless you’ve experienced it but once you have, you know it when you see it.

I agree she absolutely needs help. One THOUSAND percent!!! I think as a codependent with CPTSD she is melting down for multiple reasons including abandonment, fear of the future and aging, loss of nuclear family unit, loss of identity (he’s a celeb and they falsely portrayed a “perfect family” for years ) and add in perimenopause which in itself is horrific. But she’s NOT chronically mentally ill. She IS however in crisis and making terrible decisions right now because she isn’t thinking correctly. However, she should NOT be in a bar drinking with a hospital band but she’s melting down and trying to reclaim what’s left of her life. She was forced into a mental hospital and that was her eff you to the brother in law who called her Dad and put her there. The BIL who should not even have been in HER house. The BIL was in her house “helping” so Scott could control things from afar and act as a spy. Narcs HAVE to be in control.

Kelley needs rescue meds, intense therapy, immediate help, true friends and support now because she is in crisis, not because she is bipolar but because she is abused.

I agree that Kelley needs all those things. My sense is that she either resists treatment or does it sporadically, which is unfortunately common for mentally ill people. They feel good for a few days and stop taking their meds, and the cycle of bad behavior starts again.

I think her family was attempting to get that kind of help when her dad called the cops. She probably knows the right things to say to get out of the hospital. It usually involved telling the treatment provider that you have no intention of hurting yourself or anyone else. Once you are stabilized and make that declaration, they let you out. So she is essentially stuck in a cycle of dangerous behavior followed by treatment. Her family cannot force her into a treatment program unless she is an ongoing danger to herself or them. Everyone is stuck unless she is willing to enter a serious Inpatient mental health facility.

Sure, she can go to an Inpatient facility for this current momentary crisis but then what? There is no existing treatment that will relieve her of his narcissistic abuse and control except for going No Contact.

She can’t do that because
1) the kids keep them connected who he will continue to weaponize them against her and
2) His celebrity ensures she can’t ever get away from him. No matter where she goes, there he is. She’s connected to her abusive yet charismatic Narc for life and he’s in the power position.

She knows she can’t ever escape him and feels cornered. She’s not mentally ill. There’s too much footage that shows no history. Perimenopause combined with CPTSD and trauma is real. The BIL living in her house refusing to leave and meddling in her parenting on Scott’s behalf is a huge red flag. She definitely needs help. I will die on this hill in her corner.

Well plenty of women go through bad relationship and menopause without choking people, posting rants on Instagram, or mixing medicine and alcohol. The fact that she is doing these things points to possible chemical imbalances that can only be improved by taking medication and stopping alcohol which is a known depressant.

I don't get the idea of labeling Scott as her narc abuser while also asserting that he is responsible for taking care of her. The problem with mentally ill people is that they often lash out in relationships and cause deep resentment and hurt. It is very hard to continue to feel love for a person once that cycle starts and you become the object of their rants and abuse. Certainly choking Scott did nor make him want to celebrate with a romantic dinner. That aspect is probably over and she is basically a problem child to him. Once the resentment kicks in it is over, and the best you can hope for is treatment and a peaceful end to the relationship.

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You guys have gone off the rails. You are not psychologists yet are diagnosing someone. You are diagnosing someone you've never met. You are speaking as if your opinions and speculations are facts. You don't know Scott cheated, you don't know if Kelley's bipolar, or in menopause, or been abused by Scott. Get a hold of yourselves!

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Anonymous wrote:A sane person would not act like Kelley, even when provoked by a narc (which may not even be the case. We do NOT know.)

Narc’s just dont provoke, they methodically destroy over a long period of time with many multiple cycles of abuse. Of course it could be something else but his statement gave him away. Victims of long term abuse absolutely look like Kelly. It is a disservice to abuse victims to pretend like they come out of these situations mentally intact. It takes years, sometimes even decades for these victims to recover. She was filmed for six months in the Real World 24 hours a day and she was so sane and calm she was annoyingly boring. She’s not bipolar.

Isnt the definition of bipolar, extreme moods in both directions, highs and lows?

No Bipolar is a genetic chemical imbalance in the brain that can be treated by meds. Kelly probably has thousands of hours if reality TV footage that proves she’s sane. I am fairly confident that what Kelly is suffering is CPTSD also known as Complex PTSD which is often misdiagnosed as and can look like Bipolar disorder on the surface. CPTSD is caused by chronic trauma usually in the form of repeated abuse as is typically seen in victims of narcissistic abuse. Victims of CPTSD and are often stuck in flight or fright mode from walking on eggshells waiting for the next abuse cycle. Idealize (lovebombing) Devalue (abuse) Discard (threats of divorce,etc) then Calm then back to lovebombing. The charming Narcissists victim is co dependent on their abuser and the cycle is so insidious and manipulative the victim begind to lose their sense of reality. This cycle can repeat multiple times a year over decades until the final Discard which is where Kelley is now, leaving the codependent victim devastated often leading to a meltdown. As a result of abuse, CPTSD victims have a destabilized sense of self which causes like depression and anxiety which can be treated with meds but what she really needs is a great therapist and an amazing attorney. She’s not crazy, she’s abused.

So you have seen her medical records to know all her diagnoses?

Will you at least acknowledge that drinking whiskey straight out of the hospital is a bad idea?

I don’t have to see her medical records. It’s playing out like a textbook version of Narcissistic abuse, even the alienating of the children from their mother. Teens are particularly vulnerable to this manipulation because they are already rebellious. The parent in charge will lay down the law, then insteading of supporting them and the rules, the narc will do the exact opposite creating a wedge. Narcs do this to completely isolate and discredit their victim and they are cool and methodical under pressure while they do it. It’s difficult to see or understand unless you’ve experienced it but once you have, you know it when you see it.

I agree she absolutely needs help. One THOUSAND percent!!! I think as a codependent with CPTSD she is melting down for multiple reasons including abandonment, fear of the future and aging, loss of nuclear family unit, loss of identity (he’s a celeb and they falsely portrayed a “perfect family” for years ) and add in perimenopause which in itself is horrific. But she’s NOT chronically mentally ill. She IS however in crisis and making terrible decisions right now because she isn’t thinking correctly. However, she should NOT be in a bar drinking with a hospital band but she’s melting down and trying to reclaim what’s left of her life. She was forced into a mental hospital and that was her eff you to the brother in law who called her Dad and put her there. The BIL who should not even have been in HER house. The BIL was in her house “helping” so Scott could control things from afar and act as a spy. Narcs HAVE to be in control.

Kelley needs rescue meds, intense therapy, immediate help, true friends and support now because she is in crisis, not because she is bipolar but because she is abused.

I agree that Kelley needs all those things. My sense is that she either resists treatment or does it sporadically, which is unfortunately common for mentally ill people. They feel good for a few days and stop taking their meds, and the cycle of bad behavior starts again.

I think her family was attempting to get that kind of help when her dad called the cops. She probably knows the right things to say to get out of the hospital. It usually involved telling the treatment provider that you have no intention of hurting yourself or anyone else. Once you are stabilized and make that declaration, they let you out. So she is essentially stuck in a cycle of dangerous behavior followed by treatment. Her family cannot force her into a treatment program unless she is an ongoing danger to herself or them. Everyone is stuck unless she is willing to enter a serious Inpatient mental health facility.

Sure, she can go to an Inpatient facility for this current momentary crisis but then what? There is no existing treatment that will relieve her of his narcissistic abuse and control except for going No Contact.

She can’t do that because
1) the kids keep them connected who he will continue to weaponize them against her and
2) His celebrity ensures she can’t ever get away from him. No matter where she goes, there he is. She’s connected to her abusive yet charismatic Narc for life and he’s in the power position.

She knows she can’t ever escape him and feels cornered. She’s not mentally ill. There’s too much footage that shows no history. Perimenopause combined with CPTSD and trauma is real. The BIL living in her house refusing to leave and meddling in her parenting on Scott’s behalf is a huge red flag. She definitely needs help. I will die on this hill in her corner.

Well plenty of women go through bad relationship and menopause without choking people, posting rants on Instagram, or mixing medicine and alcohol. The fact that she is doing these things points to possible chemical imbalances that can only be improved by taking medication and stopping alcohol which is a known depressant.

I don't get the idea of labeling Scott as her narc abuser while also asserting that he is responsible for taking care of her. The problem with mentally ill people is that they often lash out in relationships and cause deep resentment and hurt. It is very hard to continue to feel love for a person once that cycle starts and you become the object of their rants and abuse. Certainly choking Scott did nor make him want to celebrate with a romantic dinner. That aspect is probably over and she is basically a problem child to him. Once the resentment kicks in it is over, and the best you can hope for is treatment and a peaceful end to the relationship.

Agreed. Those close to them seem to be aligned with Scott. If she choked him, she's off the rails and the 16yo seemed to know that when he wouldn't let her in the house. She is a danger to herself and others. I hope she gets the help she clearly needs.

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Anonymous wrote:You guys have gone off the rails. You are not psychologists yet are diagnosing someone. You are diagnosing someone you've never met. You are speaking as if your opinions and speculations are facts. You don't know Scott cheated, you don't know if Kelley's bipolar, or in menopause, or been abused by Scott. Get a hold of yourselves!

Perimenopause and heading to menopause is a pretty good bet at age 48.

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Anonymous wrote:You guys have gone off the rails. You are not psychologists yet are diagnosing someone. You are diagnosing someone you've never met. You are speaking as if your opinions and speculations are facts. You don't know Scott cheated, you don't know if Kelley's bipolar, or in menopause, or been abused by Scott. Get a hold of yourselves!

No, we don't "know" that she is bipolar, bit we know that she posted rants on Instagram and tagged numerous celebrities including Oprah, Trump, and Obama. That hints at grandiose thought and possible mental issues, if not bipolar maybe borderline personality. The abuse is being discussed because she asserted that she was a victim of abuse by Scott.

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Anonymous wrote:Based on her IG… She was clearly starting to lose it as early as January when she makes the post about her kid being in the hospital/leaving the other one home and passive aggressively mentions Scott is promoting a new show for Fox. Seems like she had to handle a lot on the home front and was starting to snap; though they have sufficient money that it seems odd she didn’t have more help at least (leaving a sick 12 year old home alone, if that’s literally true?).

Then something happened April. I’m guessing Scott cheated based on what she starts posting (betrayal, etc) & her parents seemingly come to town to support her in early June (which fits in with the Billy Bush comments) probably in advance of the divorce announcement. There are a lot of very weird posts (including one of her holding up a bag in front of her and filming while driving) in June. I think she’s having some kind of psych episode by that point.

The deluge of stories over the last few days tagging random famous people is way over the top. Mania for sure.

How sick was the 12 year old?

I'm finding it hard to believe that anybody thinks it's some kind of parental neglect to leave a sick 12 year old home alone. I was staying home alone when sick beginning around 5th grade, and I was only 9 then. That was the 1980s when children were not so infantilized as they are now, but seriously, a 12 year old with a cold, flu, tummy ache, anxiety can stay home alone so long as they have a phone to call mom or dad as necessary.

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Anonymous wrote:You guys have gone off the rails. You are not psychologists yet are diagnosing someone. You are diagnosing someone you've never met. You are speaking as if your opinions and speculations are facts. You don't know Scott cheated, you don't know if Kelley's bipolar, or in menopause, or been abused by Scott. Get a hold of yourselves!

No, we don't "know" that she is bipolar, bit we know that she posted rants on Instagram and tagged numerous celebrities including Oprah, Trump, and Obama. That hints at grandiose thought and possible mental issues, if not bipolar maybe borderline personality. The abuse is being discussed because she asserted that she was a victim of abuse by Scott.

True. We also “know” that she wrote about significant betrayal by a loved one in March, we also know Scott hadn’t been around during that time period for months and she was primary caregiver and that she briefly went home to visit her parents. We also “know” that up until recently she was coherent even eloquent and future focused as evidenced by her divorce statement versus his in which he painted himself as some kind of martyr who is the one who filed instead of avting like a supportive future ex husband. He was more interested in his image and laying blame on her and destroying her reputation than in successfully partnering with his children’s mother in a amicable divorce. She has a long standing public history of being stable and sane with footage to prove it. We also “know” Scott is controlling her by having his brother in her house and alienating her/even blocking her from home and children. Days before the police finally showed up, we know she called the cops to try to get them to evict the BIL in law who had no custodial rights to the home or kids and they didn’t do it. She told them it was a tricky situation because her husband is famous, they were “the Cleavers” and it had been a “cat and mouse situation” for a year and she wanted the BIL out. Then when they finally showed up because her out of state Dad was concerned because she was breaking, she calmly told the police she was abused and that they were helping him abuse her further and they didn’t listen. This is exactly how abused women are not believed, not supported and end up broken or dead.

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Anonymous wrote:A sane person would not act like Kelley, even when provoked by a narc (which may not even be the case. We do NOT know.)

Narc’s just dont provoke, they methodically destroy over a long period of time with many multiple cycles of abuse. Of course it could be something else but his statement gave him away. Victims of long term abuse absolutely look like Kelly. It is a disservice to abuse victims to pretend like they come out of these situations mentally intact. It takes years, sometimes even decades for these victims to recover. She was filmed for six months in the Real World 24 hours a day and she was so sane and calm she was annoyingly boring. She’s not bipolar.

Isnt the definition of bipolar, extreme moods in both directions, highs and lows?

No Bipolar is a genetic chemical imbalance in the brain that can be treated by meds. Kelly probably has thousands of hours if reality TV footage that proves she’s sane. I am fairly confident that what Kelly is suffering is CPTSD also known as Complex PTSD which is often misdiagnosed as and can look like Bipolar disorder on the surface. CPTSD is caused by chronic trauma usually in the form of repeated abuse as is typically seen in victims of narcissistic abuse. Victims of CPTSD and are often stuck in flight or fright mode from walking on eggshells waiting for the next abuse cycle. Idealize (lovebombing) Devalue (abuse) Discard (threats of divorce,etc) then Calm then back to lovebombing. The charming Narcissists victim is co dependent on their abuser and the cycle is so insidious and manipulative the victim begind to lose their sense of reality. This cycle can repeat multiple times a year over decades until the final Discard which is where Kelley is now, leaving the codependent victim devastated often leading to a meltdown. As a result of abuse, CPTSD victims have a destabilized sense of self which causes like depression and anxiety which can be treated with meds but what she really needs is a great therapist and an amazing attorney. She’s not crazy, she’s abused.

So you have seen her medical records to know all her diagnoses?

Will you at least acknowledge that drinking whiskey straight out of the hospital is a bad idea?

I don’t have to see her medical records. It’s playing out like a textbook version of Narcissistic abuse, even the alienating of the children from their mother. Teens are particularly vulnerable to this manipulation because they are already rebellious. The parent in charge will lay down the law, then insteading of supporting them and the rules, the narc will do the exact opposite creating a wedge. Narcs do this to completely isolate and discredit their victim and they are cool and methodical under pressure while they do it. It’s difficult to see or understand unless you’ve experienced it but once you have, you know it when you see it.

I agree she absolutely needs help. One THOUSAND percent!!! I think as a codependent with CPTSD she is melting down for multiple reasons including abandonment, fear of the future and aging, loss of nuclear family unit, loss of identity (he’s a celeb and they falsely portrayed a “perfect family” for years ) and add in perimenopause which in itself is horrific. But she’s NOT chronically mentally ill. She IS however in crisis and making terrible decisions right now because she isn’t thinking correctly. However, she should NOT be in a bar drinking with a hospital band but she’s melting down and trying to reclaim what’s left of her life. She was forced into a mental hospital and that was her eff you to the brother in law who called her Dad and put her there. The BIL who should not even have been in HER house. The BIL was in her house “helping” so Scott could control things from afar and act as a spy. Narcs HAVE to be in control.

Kelley needs rescue meds, intense therapy, immediate help, true friends and support now because she is in crisis, not because she is bipolar but because she is abused.

I agree that Kelley needs all those things. My sense is that she either resists treatment or does it sporadically, which is unfortunately common for mentally ill people. They feel good for a few days and stop taking their meds, and the cycle of bad behavior starts again.

I think her family was attempting to get that kind of help when her dad called the cops. She probably knows the right things to say to get out of the hospital. It usually involved telling the treatment provider that you have no intention of hurting yourself or anyone else. Once you are stabilized and make that declaration, they let you out. So she is essentially stuck in a cycle of dangerous behavior followed by treatment. Her family cannot force her into a treatment program unless she is an ongoing danger to herself or them. Everyone is stuck unless she is willing to enter a serious Inpatient mental health facility.

Sure, she can go to an Inpatient facility for this current momentary crisis but then what? There is no existing treatment that will relieve her of his narcissistic abuse and control except for going No Contact.

She can’t do that because
1) the kids keep them connected who he will continue to weaponize them against her and
2) His celebrity ensures she can’t ever get away from him. No matter where she goes, there he is. She’s connected to her abusive yet charismatic Narc for life and he’s in the power position.

She knows she can’t ever escape him and feels cornered. She’s not mentally ill. There’s too much footage that shows no history. Perimenopause combined with CPTSD and trauma is real. The BIL living in her house refusing to leave and meddling in her parenting on Scott’s behalf is a huge red flag. She definitely needs help. I will die on this hill in her corner.

You are speculating and have no idea. This crisis she’s in goes way beyond perimenopause. Her own dad called 911 on her. You have 0 evidence that Scott was abusive aside when she muttered it when she was being arrested, but she also said the cops were abusive.

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