What schools are better than the lower Ivies?

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Anonymous wrote:Parchment has Duke vs Ivy as follows for cross-admits:
Harvard 76% to Duke 24%
Princeton 73% to Duke 27%
Columbia 73% to Duke 27%
Brown 71% to Duke 29%
Yale 57% to Duke 43%
Penn 54% to Duke 46% (I wonder what Wharton vs. Duke is)
Dartmouth 47% to Duke 53%
Cornell 20% to Duke 80%

Duke also offers a lot more merit $$ than most of those schools. Parchment data isn't great to begin with but it is especially deceptive when one of the schools is offering a lot of $$. If you are admitted to HYP and want Duke, definitely let them know and you'll get it at a discount!

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Anonymous wrote:CMU for engineering, cs, drama and undergrad business

I wouldn't put it above Yale for drama, but I'd prefer it to all of the other Ivies.

Yale drama is graduate only. CMU actually has a ton of successful, famous working actors, writers and producers for stage, screen and TV.

If you google famous CMU grads working in all creative capacities, it is fairly impressive.

Don't need to Google this, lol.

Sorry...other than two or three writers/actors, most of us aren't a repository of CMU grads working in entertainment.

Yale drama is more well-known because in nearly every article about somebody like Paul Giamatti or Sigourney Weaver or another famous actor, they mention they attended Yale drama.

I have never seen it mentioned in an article that Ethan Hawke or Ted Danson went to CMU.

Another person believing their misinformed understanding defines the general understanding.

Here's a long list of CMY drama successes. You'll know most of these names, or their work. Extremely impressive for what is generally considered one of the most competitive fields in the country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnegie_Mellon_School_of_Drama

No actually...you did a google/Internet search for it, which was my point.

You didn't just list off 10+ names off the top of your head.

So, you are another person not actually understanding the responses...then actually proving the point of the person you think you are maligning.

No, fool, you are wrong.

I knew about it since I was in High School and the show Hill Street Blues made me want to work in television. I read all about it, and there were many newspaper and magazine articles about how Stephen Bocho led a whole army of CMU people on many shows, including his wife who starred in the show. That's how I knew that back in the 80s. Didn't apply there because I thought Syracuse Newhouse was better for me because I wanted to work behind the camera...

BTW, even though we've just shown what you claim is false, what would it matter if it were true? If you want to work in a field, and an unusual number of successful people come from that school, and it is known in the industry... why does it matter what the layman knows? So stupid. And let me tell you about the "Newhouse Mafia" and how much that matters in television and sports broadcasting, even though you never heard of that either.

It takes a severe level of cognitive dissonance to be presented with empirical evidence of a fact and claim that it somehow shows the opposite.

You mentioned one graduate. You are now wildly unhinged and don’t even understand the context of the thread.

Sorry…for whatever reason all the famous Yale grads always have that mentioned in general writeups…but the CMU grads don’t get that level of attention.

Nobody is refuting that if you do a google search (which 99.9% of people on DCUM must do) you will see many recognizable names.

You keep scratching that chicken, dude. You're not helping yourself. Maybe stop?

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Anonymous wrote:CMU for engineering, cs, drama and undergrad business

I wouldn't put it above Yale for drama, but I'd prefer it to all of the other Ivies.

Yale drama is graduate only. CMU actually has a ton of successful, famous working actors, writers and producers for stage, screen and TV.

If you google famous CMU grads working in all creative capacities, it is fairly impressive.

Don't need to Google this, lol.

Sorry...other than two or three writers/actors, most of us aren't a repository of CMU grads working in entertainment.

Yale drama is more well-known because in nearly every article about somebody like Paul Giamatti or Sigourney Weaver or another famous actor, they mention they attended Yale drama.

I have never seen it mentioned in an article that Ethan Hawke or Ted Danson went to CMU.

Another person believing their misinformed understanding defines the general understanding.

Here's a long list of CMY drama successes. You'll know most of these names, or their work. Extremely impressive for what is generally considered one of the most competitive fields in the country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnegie_Mellon_School_of_Drama

No actually...you did a google/Internet search for it, which was my point.

You didn't just list off 10+ names off the top of your head.

So, you are another person not actually understanding the responses...then actually proving the point of the person you think you are maligning.

No, fool, you are wrong.

I knew about it since I was in High School and the show Hill Street Blues made me want to work in television. I read all about it, and there were many newspaper and magazine articles about how Stephen Bocho led a whole army of CMU people on many shows, including his wife who starred in the show. That's how I knew that back in the 80s. Didn't apply there because I thought Syracuse Newhouse was better for me because I wanted to work behind the camera...

BTW, even though we've just shown what you claim is false, what would it matter if it were true? If you want to work in a field, and an unusual number of successful people come from that school, and it is known in the industry... why does it matter what the layman knows? So stupid. And let me tell you about the "Newhouse Mafia" and how much that matters in television and sports broadcasting, even though you never heard of that either.

It takes a severe level of cognitive dissonance to be presented with empirical evidence of a fact and claim that it somehow shows the opposite.

You mentioned one graduate. You are now wildly unhinged and don’t even understand the context of the thread.

Sorry…for whatever reason all the famous Yale grads always have that mentioned in general writeups…but the CMU grads don’t get that level of attention.

Nobody is refuting that if you do a google search (which 99.9% of people on DCUM must do) you will see many recognizable names.

You keep scratching that chicken, dude. You're not helping yourself. Maybe stop?

Why? If I am right, which I am.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents of kids who can't get into Ivies. Ivy is Ivy. Any IVY before non-Ivy other than MIT, Stanford, and Cal Tech.

This arrogance funny considering it’s Caltech, *one* word.

It is a tell when people write Cal Tech or CalTech. You might as well write Mass Tech and people should understand you have limited knowledge on the subject.

Nobody cares about C.I.T.

Or MassTech when you could get one of the most recognizable brands like Harvard, Stanford, or Yale.

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Anonymous wrote:None. Ivy carries prestige that sticks with you for life. "He went to an Ivy League school." People are impressed, forever.

Nothing impressive about this. What they have done after college is what matters.

Tell yourself this but you know it's impressive. Just look at this board; everyone is obsessed with Ivys. You hear someone's kid is at an Ivy you think, wow. You hear a colleague went to an Ivy you think, hmm, must be smart. It makes an impression and a difference.

I went to an ivy myself so I know how meaningless it is. Do not care where someone went to college. Want to see actual impressive performance on the job.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know about "better than" but there's obviously a lot of college which are "as good as" - and I'd include Georgetown in that list, partly because they were offered a spot on the Ivy League and turned it down.

Who is “they?”

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I realize I’m feeding the troll by replying, but would be curious to know how many of these replies are actually OP stirring the pot?

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Caltech doesn't belong on this list, sorry. It's smaller than most public high schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of the SLACs.

Is that a joke? I hope so.

I don't favor SLACs, but their pedagogical strengths cannot be beat.

No one goes to college to learn . . .

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Anonymous wrote:Caltech doesn't belong on this list, sorry. It's smaller than most public high schools.

Well, it wouldn't belong on a list of large universities, but that is probably a different thing.

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UVA

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Anonymous wrote:Some of the SLACs.

Is that a joke? I hope so.

I don't favor SLACs, but their pedagogical strengths cannot be beat.

No one goes to college to learn . . .

Um. Okay.

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University of Maryland. - Proud Terp '02

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Anonymous wrote:University of Maryland. - Proud Terp '02

Agreed. Best undergraduate experience I've ever had with smart peers who chose to graduate debt-free over fancy name schools. Anyone choosing the ivies over UMD in-state is delusional. Quality of education at UMD better than most ivies since they funnel resources to grad students. Proud Terp '94

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Cost does play a large part in my thinking. I attended a top school with substantial financial aid that made the cost of attendance quite a bit less than it would have been at my state school. I loved my experience but am not sure it would have been worth it at full price, especially now. Where I went to grad school is clearly more important now but who knows if the entry-level job and grad school options I had would have been possible.