Is it true the Lacrosse player from Lightridge HS was Bullied or not?

[Anonymous]

This thread has run it's course.

Too much has been written about identifiable minors already.

For those with righteous beliefs and feelings about this incident, you have said your piece. You may be right, but the actions and tone of the parents of the intended transfer have been fully addressed.

Best to leave it there. If you are feeling the need to continue, maybe learn about the Morgan's Message movement, check out its website, and read through its purpose first.
https://www.morgansmessage.org. You may think twice about continuing this discussion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares where she transfers to!! It’s her choice not yours. Move along

Correct, it’s her choice to transfer where she wants. It was also her choice to transfer knowing she would have to sit out a year of sports based on LCPS policies. Hoping to bend the rules was not a great strategy when others before her had been denied waivers to other LCPS schools. I don’t think people fault the student, this falls on Indy and her parents for steering her in the wrong direction if lacrosse was so important to her.

The rules exist for a reason. if transferring schools to play a sport were allowed just because a girl or a family REALLY wants to do so, and they won't take no for an answer, I have no doubt there would be a steady merry go round of players changing schools when they don't like their coach, want to play with friends, want to get on a better team, or whatever. It would be even worse on the boys side. forgive me for asking a question that is probably answered above, but I don't have time to read all seven pages, but why does this family think there should be an exception here?

Their argument is it is important for her mental health and that she shouldn't be punished while her alleged tormentor(s) -- who they let their lawyer identify as the daughter of her original coach -- gets to play.

But really, they've changed their story so much it's a little hard to follow. But I think that's what it boils down to. They've also (erroneously) conflated this into being a bigger thing about denying opportunities to kids suffering from mental illnesses more broadly while insinuating LCPS is uncaring about mental health and/or was somehow "covering up" bullying.

The problem for them became the optics of transferring to a specific school that had been states runners up last year and is asp coached by her club team coach when there were two other closer HS options she bypassed. And then saying things like she's already committed to play in college and she transferred to the school she chose because she wanted to play with friends.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread has run it's course.

Too much has been written about identifiable minors already.

For those with righteous beliefs and feelings about this incident, you have said your piece. You may be right, but the actions and tone of the parents of the intended transfer have been fully addressed.

Best to leave it there. If you are feeling the need to continue, maybe learn about the Morgan's Message movement, check out its website, and read through its purpose first.
https://www.morgansmessage.org. You may think twice about continuing this discussion.

The minor has literally been out publicly speaking at school board meetings and doing multiple media interviews. She and her parents WANT the publicity. So, this is weak tea.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know the family and yes, the girl was bullied throughout HS.

no more than anyone else was i'm sure. there's a difference in bullying and not being liked.

That’s true but if the people who “don’t like you” exclude you, won’t interact with you (in sport on and off the field), etc. that isolation is devastating. And to think of it started in sports and didn’t trickle over to class, etc. then you were never a teen nor have patented one. Don’t know her or what happened but clearly something wasn’t right. And of course if a child is suffering they and they’d parents would want them to land in a safe space so if the school she transferred to had a built in friend group any psychologist, educator and coach would say that’s the right choice especially when changing for your final year of high school. And it doesn’t sound like she was going to put this team over the top or significantly hurt her previous team. The transfer waiver shouldn’t have been granted without the sports one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares where she transfers to!! It’s her choice not yours. Move along

Correct, it’s her choice to transfer where she wants. It was also her choice to transfer knowing she would have to sit out a year of sports based on LCPS policies. Hoping to bend the rules was not a great strategy when others before her had been denied waivers to other LCPS schools. I don’t think people fault the student, this falls on Indy and her parents for steering her in the wrong direction if lacrosse was so important to her.

The rules exist for a reason. if transferring schools to play a sport were allowed just because a girl or a family REALLY wants to do so, and they won't take no for an answer, I have no doubt there would be a steady merry go round of players changing schools when they don't like their coach, want to play with friends, want to get on a better team, or whatever. It would be even worse on the boys side. forgive me for asking a question that is probably answered above, but I don't have time to read all seven pages, but why does this family think there should be an exception here?

Their argument is it is important for her mental health and that she shouldn't be punished while her alleged tormentor(s) -- who they let their lawyer identify as the daughter of her original coach -- gets to play.

But really, they've changed their story so much it's a little hard to follow. But I think that's what it boils down to. They've also (erroneously) conflated this into being a bigger thing about denying opportunities to kids suffering from mental illnesses more broadly while insinuating LCPS is uncaring about mental health and/or was somehow "covering up" bullying.

The problem for them became the optics of transferring to a specific school that had been states runners up last year and is asp coached by her club team coach when there were two other closer HS options she bypassed. And then saying things like she's already committed to play in college and she transferred to the school she chose because she wanted to play with friends.

THE RULES, THE RULES. It's a stupid rule and it's not conflating about the story, it's adding to it. It's also the VHSL taking itself way too seriously and pompously. Post after post says the family is lying but I haven't seen anyone come out and refute the lie in public. On the flip side, if the family can't provide a single instance of bullying and/or intimidation by means of social media or eye witness then they have a problem. Any single instance should have been enough to grant the waiver.

[Anonymous]

as others have stated, this has run its course, judge made a decision, move on. lets focus on the starting season of schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread has run it's course.

Too much has been written about identifiable minors already.

For those with righteous beliefs and feelings about this incident, you have said your piece. You may be right, but the actions and tone of the parents of the intended transfer have been fully addressed.

Best to leave it there. If you are feeling the need to continue, maybe learn about the Morgan's Message movement, check out its website, and read through its purpose first.
https://www.morgansmessage.org. You may think twice about continuing this discussion.

The minor has literally been out publicly speaking at school board meetings and doing multiple media interviews. She and her parents WANT the publicity. So, this is weak tea.

Take the high road. Set an example. Or attach your name.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares where she transfers to!! It’s her choice not yours. Move along

Correct, it’s her choice to transfer where she wants. It was also her choice to transfer knowing she would have to sit out a year of sports based on LCPS policies. Hoping to bend the rules was not a great strategy when others before her had been denied waivers to other LCPS schools. I don’t think people fault the student, this falls on Indy and her parents for steering her in the wrong direction if lacrosse was so important to her.

The rules exist for a reason. if transferring schools to play a sport were allowed just because a girl or a family REALLY wants to do so, and they won't take no for an answer, I have no doubt there would be a steady merry go round of players changing schools when they don't like their coach, want to play with friends, want to get on a better team, or whatever. It would be even worse on the boys side. forgive me for asking a question that is probably answered above, but I don't have time to read all seven pages, but why does this family think there should be an exception here?

Their argument is it is important for her mental health and that she shouldn't be punished while her alleged tormentor(s) -- who they let their lawyer identify as the daughter of her original coach -- gets to play.

But really, they've changed their story so much it's a little hard to follow. But I think that's what it boils down to. They've also (erroneously) conflated this into being a bigger thing about denying opportunities to kids suffering from mental illnesses more broadly while insinuating LCPS is uncaring about mental health and/or was somehow "covering up" bullying.

The problem for them became the optics of transferring to a specific school that had been states runners up last year and is asp coached by her club team coach when there were two other closer HS options she bypassed. And then saying things like she's already committed to play in college and she transferred to the school she chose because she wanted to play with friends.

THE RULES, THE RULES. It's a stupid rule and it's not conflating about the story, it's adding to it. It's also the VHSL taking itself way too seriously and pompously. Post after post says the family is lying but I haven't seen anyone come out and refute the lie in public. On the flip side, if the family can't provide a single instance of bullying and/or intimidation by means of social media or eye witness then they have a problem. Any single instance should have been enough to grant the waiver.

It of COURSE it is conflation. The parents are running around now announcing to everyone that LCPS doesn't care about mental illness (which couldn't be further from the truth) and this refusal to grant their daughter waiver under these unique circumstances "sets a precedent" that now any kid that transfers schools for any reason will be prohibited from doing ANY extracurricular activity. It's all complete nonsense. The premise there is "mental health" should convey some exception to a statewide rule that exists to protect the integrity of interscholastic athletics. The problem is, even if they are sincere, it would lead to all kinds of people trying to use buzzwords like "bullying" to go to a "better" school with a better program.

This is a classic case of parents being concerned about their own child, which is valid, but the school district is concerned about every child. And the policy is to prevent people from transferring schools for athletic reasons, which in this case it became evident there was reason to suspect that was the true motivation. It's not unlike a parent that complains to a coach about how lack of playing time is hurting their child's self-esteem. The parent thinks only of their child. The coach thinks of every child on the team and what's best for the team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread has run it's course.

Too much has been written about identifiable minors already.

For those with righteous beliefs and feelings about this incident, you have said your piece. You may be right, but the actions and tone of the parents of the intended transfer have been fully addressed.

Best to leave it there. If you are feeling the need to continue, maybe learn about the Morgan's Message movement, check out its website, and read through its purpose first.
https://www.morgansmessage.org. You may think twice about continuing this discussion.

The minor has literally been out publicly speaking at school board meetings and doing multiple media interviews. She and her parents WANT the publicity. So, this is weak tea.

Take the high road. Set an example. Or attach your name.

Tell that to Debbie Rose.

[Anonymous]

To those youth parents reading. Look at all the fun you have in store playing for Dulles South this spring! Its no coincidence why Loudoun county and everything about it is whats wrong with everything in the DMV.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While the player’s parents, rightfully so, are catching a lot of heat over this transfer situation it would be foolish to believe Indy and it’s coach did not discuss and encourage actions taken by the player. The Indy coaches know full well what the LCPS transfer policy is and it appears they either turned a blind eye to the rules hoping they could circumvent them the system or they grossly misguided the player.

Your statement presumes manipulation. How about they were helping a troubled kid. How dare they. Btw - who cares. It is girls public school lacrosse. Should have granted the waiver and just moved along. If it had been, bball and a poc, no problem.

The parents bear full responsibility for people concluding there was manipulation here due to their manipulative PR pressure campaign where they ommitted key details in an attempt to whip up sympathy for the girl. You don't go give a dozen "woe is me" media interviews and then have it come out in court that in reality you wanted to play with your friends and former club coach at your new HS, which just happened to have been states runners up last year.

I have no doubt LCPS took one look at those details last summer, when the transfer was initiated, and concluded they couldn't grant the waiver the family wanted. And rightfully so. Going on a 6-month media tour to try to force a reversal wasn't a good look.

Duh, of course if a child is being bullied or is struggling socially leading to mental health struggles they’d want to go to a school with a built in support system of friends and even a trusted coach who is an adult they can lean on. Every parent wants this safe place for their kid; every psychologist-private practice or school would support this; every teacher, administrator and coach would want this for a student in their care who is suffering. And if you know the area depending on where she lived Independence isn’t much farther than Champe and may be closer than Freedom and in either case doesn’t sound like these were schools where she had this support system. As for her parents—I don’t think I would have handled things the same but I am fortunate not to be in their position.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While the player’s parents, rightfully so, are catching a lot of heat over this transfer situation it would be foolish to believe Indy and it’s coach did not discuss and encourage actions taken by the player. The Indy coaches know full well what the LCPS transfer policy is and it appears they either turned a blind eye to the rules hoping they could circumvent them the system or they grossly misguided the player.

Your statement presumes manipulation. How about they were helping a troubled kid. How dare they. Btw - who cares. It is girls public school lacrosse. Should have granted the waiver and just moved along. If it had been, bball and a poc, no problem.

The parents bear full responsibility for people concluding there was manipulation here due to their manipulative PR pressure campaign where they ommitted key details in an attempt to whip up sympathy for the girl. You don't go give a dozen "woe is me" media interviews and then have it come out in court that in reality you wanted to play with your friends and former club coach at your new HS, which just happened to have been states runners up last year.

I have no doubt LCPS took one look at those details last summer, when the transfer was initiated, and concluded they couldn't grant the waiver the family wanted. And rightfully so. Going on a 6-month media tour to try to force a reversal wasn't a good look.

Duh, of course if a child is being bullied or is struggling socially leading to mental health struggles they’d want to go to a school with a built in support system of friends and even a trusted coach who is an adult they can lean on. Every parent wants this safe place for their kid; every psychologist-private practice or school would support this; every teacher, administrator and coach would want this for a student in their care who is suffering. And if you know the area depending on where she lived Independence isn’t much farther than Champe and may be closer than Freedom and in either case doesn’t sound like these were schools where she had this support system. As for her parents—I don’t think I would have handled things the same but I am fortunate not to be in their position.

Be that as it may, it's not a valid reason to get a waiver from the eligibility requirements imposed by the state sanctioning body. I'm glad she found a "safe space" but she isn't owed the right to be exempt from the rules. That's what the judge essentially said, BTW.

And I think you *are* the parents. They're closely monitoring all discussions about this, so the responses here are either them or a proxy. Classic bulldozer parent behavior and not doing the poor girl any favors, ultimately.

[Anonymous]

I'm not following. From Loudon Now, "Lily transferred schools at the end of the 2022-2023 school year for mental health reasons because of ongoing bullying. She was granted special permission to transfer based on that reason but was later denied an athletic waiver to play sports at the new school." So she was granted a waiver for bullying but not allowed to partake in the activities of the new school? Ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While the player’s parents, rightfully so, are catching a lot of heat over this transfer situation it would be foolish to believe Indy and it’s coach did not discuss and encourage actions taken by the player. The Indy coaches know full well what the LCPS transfer policy is and it appears they either turned a blind eye to the rules hoping they could circumvent them the system or they grossly misguided the player.

Your statement presumes manipulation. How about they were helping a troubled kid. How dare they. Btw - who cares. It is girls public school lacrosse. Should have granted the waiver and just moved along. If it had been, bball and a poc, no problem.

The parents bear full responsibility for people concluding there was manipulation here due to their manipulative PR pressure campaign where they ommitted key details in an attempt to whip up sympathy for the girl. You don't go give a dozen "woe is me" media interviews and then have it come out in court that in reality you wanted to play with your friends and former club coach at your new HS, which just happened to have been states runners up last year.

I have no doubt LCPS took one look at those details last summer, when the transfer was initiated, and concluded they couldn't grant the waiver the family wanted. And rightfully so. Going on a 6-month media tour to try to force a reversal wasn't a good look.

Duh, of course if a child is being bullied or is struggling socially leading to mental health struggles they’d want to go to a school with a built in support system of friends and even a trusted coach who is an adult they can lean on. Every parent wants this safe place for their kid; every psychologist-private practice or school would support this; every teacher, administrator and coach would want this for a student in their care who is suffering. And if you know the area depending on where she lived Independence isn’t much farther than Champe and may be closer than Freedom and in either case doesn’t sound like these were schools where she had this support system. As for her parents—I don’t think I would have handled things the same but I am fortunate not to be in their position.

Be that as it may, it's not a valid reason to get a waiver from the eligibility requirements imposed by the state sanctioning body. I'm glad she found a "safe space" but she isn't owed the right to be exempt from the rules. That's what the judge essentially said, BTW.

And I think you *are* the parents. They're closely monitoring all discussions about this, so the responses here are either them or a proxy. Classic bulldozer parent behavior and not doing the poor girl any favors, ultimately.

I’m actually not but think what you want. Maybe you’re affiliated with the others involved because it sounds like you’re monitoring all these places too. But honestly who cares. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I simply have empathy for the kid and agree or disagree with the decision, her parents, etc. everyone should have that. At a minimum it doesn’t sound like she was happy at her other school and that is a crappy and unhealthy way to spend high school. I would hate that for my children or any children but sadly know many do have this experience. And no, she has no “right” to play but since it sounds tied up in her reason to transfer it should have been all or nothing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To those youth parents reading. Look at all the fun you have in store playing for Dulles South this spring! Its no coincidence why Loudoun county and everything about it is whats wrong with everything in the DMV.

excellent point. the Dulles South youth program has been setting the wrong example for years so its probably not a coincidence that DS feeds into Indy. The boys coach who got the Indy coach fired is from DS. is the girl in the middle of this story from Dulles South? that would help explain how this all went down.