Can Smell the Smoke

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Remember the summer days when it was SO hot and hazy that they declared the air quality to be code red. Isn't that the same as the code red for the AQI now?? We didn't wear masks before. Is it the same code red now??

If we have a code red day due to ozone, masks will not help. An N95 will not filter ozone.

I honestly think ozone is less harmful than 2.5pp -- these smoke bits lodge in your lungs forever and can trigger cancers. Ozone is broken down in the body after 10 minutes -- it can cause acute respiratory symptoms though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Remember the summer days when it was SO hot and hazy that they declared the air quality to be code red. Isn't that the same as the code red for the AQI now?? We didn't wear masks before. Is it the same code red now??

If we have a code red day due to ozone, masks will not help. An N95 will not filter ozone.

I honestly think ozone is less harmful than 2.5pp -- these smoke bits lodge in your lungs forever and can trigger cancers. Ozone is broken down in the body after 10 minutes -- it can cause acute respiratory symptoms though.

You should ask for a position with the EPA and correct their guidance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Remember the summer days when it was SO hot and hazy that they declared the air quality to be code red. Isn't that the same as the code red for the AQI now?? We didn't wear masks before. Is it the same code red now??

If we have a code red day due to ozone, masks will not help. An N95 will not filter ozone.

I honestly think ozone is less harmful than 2.5pp -- these smoke bits lodge in your lungs forever and can trigger cancers. Ozone is broken down in the body after 10 minutes -- it can cause acute respiratory symptoms though.

You should ask for a position with the EPA and correct their guidance.

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I don’t think what pp said is wrong or inconsistent with EPA’s guidance— code red is when ordinary people should consider reducing outdoor time to avoid adverse effects. But the adverse effects from PM may be worse for ordinary people than from ozone. This is particularly true for say 2 hrs outside without exercising.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Remember the summer days when it was SO hot and hazy that they declared the air quality to be code red. Isn't that the same as the code red for the AQI now?? We didn't wear masks before. Is it the same code red now??

If we have a code red day due to ozone, masks will not help. An N95 will not filter ozone.

I honestly think ozone is less harmful than 2.5pp -- these smoke bits lodge in your lungs forever and can trigger cancers. Ozone is broken down in the body after 10 minutes -- it can cause acute respiratory symptoms though.

You should ask for a position with the EPA and correct their guidance.

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I don’t think what pp said is wrong or inconsistent with EPA’s guidance— code red is when ordinary people should consider reducing outdoor time to avoid adverse effects. But the adverse effects from PM may be worse for ordinary people than from ozone. This is particularly true for say 2 hrs outside without exercising.

The original question was why aren't we always told to wear a mask during code red days. Not is ozone or PM2.5 worse.

[Anonymous]

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They say this summer is going to be one of the worst on record for the northern hemisphere. More fires. More extreme heat waves. More climate refugees and increased costs. The new norm. It’s unreal. And people are still denying it.


This is what I find absolutely amazing. After a few years of this, I'm sure they will still be denying and denying.

This is amazing. People on here are saying things like it's just a few days and no big deal. Let's see if they are saying that in August when we are still having these smoky days and when people's vacations are limited or ruined by this. Canada's economy is being ruined for sure. How many tourists are canceling? Sooner or later we will have climate refugees here. This is the canary in the coal mine and people refuse to see it.

Canadian here. Our economy is being ruined? Yes... but not "ruined" due to the wildfires.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
They say this summer is going to be one of the worst on record for the northern hemisphere. More fires. More extreme heat waves. More climate refugees and increased costs. The new norm. It’s unreal. And people are still denying it.


This is what I find absolutely amazing. After a few years of this, I'm sure they will still be denying and denying.

This is amazing. People on here are saying things like it's just a few days and no big deal. Let's see if they are saying that in August when we are still having these smoky days and when people's vacations are limited or ruined by this. Canada's economy is being ruined for sure. How many tourists are canceling? Sooner or later we will have climate refugees here. This is the canary in the coal mine and people refuse to see it.

Canadian here. Our economy is being ruined? Yes... but not "ruined" due to the wildfires.

Not intending to be judgmental, but I still don't understand why Canada doesn't rake its forests.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
They say this summer is going to be one of the worst on record for the northern hemisphere. More fires. More extreme heat waves. More climate refugees and increased costs. The new norm. It’s unreal. And people are still denying it.


This is what I find absolutely amazing. After a few years of this, I'm sure they will still be denying and denying.

This is amazing. People on here are saying things like it's just a few days and no big deal. Let's see if they are saying that in August when we are still having these smoky days and when people's vacations are limited or ruined by this. Canada's economy is being ruined for sure. How many tourists are canceling? Sooner or later we will have climate refugees here. This is the canary in the coal mine and people refuse to see it.

It's both a big deal and not a big deal. In the short term, it's not worth panicking over and hermetically sealing your house to avoid your kids getting cancer in 40 years. Long term, it is absolutely a canary in the coal mine and you will see increased cancer rates at a population level from repeated, ongoing exposures. Plus climate refugees, economic damage, etc. etc. You can both not panic now and still be aware of what the big picture is.

+1. If I knew all this was was 2-5 days of Code Red (or worse) air quality a summer every year from here on out, I'd be like, ok, fine, I can live with that. It sucks and hopefully I won't have something special fun planned on one of those days, but life will basically go on as before with some minor disruption.

But if we're talking about 20, 30, 40+? days every year where air quality is Code Red+? That's devastating, and the possibility of that is what gets me really worried for both the short and long term. But I don't think anyone really knows how bad it will be, either decades into the future or even for this particular summer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
They say this summer is going to be one of the worst on record for the northern hemisphere. More fires. More extreme heat waves. More climate refugees and increased costs. The new norm. It’s unreal. And people are still denying it.


This is what I find absolutely amazing. After a few years of this, I'm sure they will still be denying and denying.

This is amazing. People on here are saying things like it's just a few days and no big deal. Let's see if they are saying that in August when we are still having these smoky days and when people's vacations are limited or ruined by this. Canada's economy is being ruined for sure. How many tourists are canceling? Sooner or later we will have climate refugees here. This is the canary in the coal mine and people refuse to see it.

Canadian here. Our economy is being ruined? Yes... but not "ruined" due to the wildfires.

Not intending to be judgmental, but I still don't understand why Canada doesn't rake its forests.

LOL Nice

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
They say this summer is going to be one of the worst on record for the northern hemisphere. More fires. More extreme heat waves. More climate refugees and increased costs. The new norm. It’s unreal. And people are still denying it.


This is what I find absolutely amazing. After a few years of this, I'm sure they will still be denying and denying.

This is amazing. People on here are saying things like it's just a few days and no big deal. Let's see if they are saying that in August when we are still having these smoky days and when people's vacations are limited or ruined by this. Canada's economy is being ruined for sure. How many tourists are canceling? Sooner or later we will have climate refugees here. This is the canary in the coal mine and people refuse to see it.

Canadian here. Our economy is being ruined? Yes... but not "ruined" due to the wildfires.

Not intending to be judgmental, but I still don't understand why Canada doesn't rake its forests.

Yes, we should rake, and clean, and do things. It would be a good job for low risk prisoners, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
They say this summer is going to be one of the worst on record for the northern hemisphere. More fires. More extreme heat waves. More climate refugees and increased costs. The new norm. It’s unreal. And people are still denying it.


This is what I find absolutely amazing. After a few years of this, I'm sure they will still be denying and denying.

This is amazing. People on here are saying things like it's just a few days and no big deal. Let's see if they are saying that in August when we are still having these smoky days and when people's vacations are limited or ruined by this. Canada's economy is being ruined for sure. How many tourists are canceling? Sooner or later we will have climate refugees here. This is the canary in the coal mine and people refuse to see it.

It's both a big deal and not a big deal. In the short term, it's not worth panicking over and hermetically sealing your house to avoid your kids getting cancer in 40 years. Long term, it is absolutely a canary in the coal mine and you will see increased cancer rates at a population level from repeated, ongoing exposures. Plus climate refugees, economic damage, etc. etc. You can both not panic now and still be aware of what the big picture is.

+1. If I knew all this was was 2-5 days of Code Red (or worse) air quality a summer every year from here on out, I'd be like, ok, fine, I can live with that. It sucks and hopefully I won't have something special fun planned on one of those days, but life will basically go on as before with some minor disruption.

But if we're talking about 20, 30, 40+? days every year where air quality is Code Red+? That's devastating, and the possibility of that is what gets me really worried for both the short and long term. But I don't think anyone really knows how bad it will be, either decades into the future or even for this particular summer.

That’s the point. And that’s what climate change deniers like to obscure - that we are very likely headed for entire summers being under the risk of the air being too dangerous for us to go outside. Whole weeks where it’s unhealthy for everyone to go outside.