Which W / BCC school is least difficult to not be very wealthy

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Anonymous wrote:OP the silver spring schools are rubbish. please don't move there because you feel poor compared to some families in Bethesda.

We were not rich and our kids did fine at Whitman. Go for the academically strongest place you can find. Whitman, BCC, Churchill. The second 2 of these will be more diverse, if that matters to you.

How can you know that the SS schools are rubbish? I don't have a dog in this fight, but am considering a MoCo move, and I had the impression that Blair, at least (which is TKPK not SS, I guess) had offerings and outcomes as good as the W/BCC schools.

Blair's college outcomes are a lot better than any W according to the data published by Bethesda Beat.

Also, there was that document that leaked a few years ago that showed the average SAT scores by demographic cohort for each HS was very interesting.

Wouldn't that just reflect that Blair has a competitive magnet program whereas the other schools do not?

And the Ws have their share of rich students. Maybe….. they’re all good?

No. There are plenty of mediocre rich kids. But magnet kids are selected for academics.

Of course, but the demographic population serving the W’s is richer (with fewer poor students), and that trends toward better academic performance. That gives them an edge. I’d be skeptical that demographically similar students at any of these schools perform that differently.

Depends on the distractions, poor kids have poor problems they can’t magically make go away with money. Those can infect an environment. Or is all the research stating that when FARM exceeds 30% that school quality and safety declines precipitously? If all the poor kids concentrated in the DCC don’t affect the middle class kids why is everyone angling so hard to ship them away?

This is so very true. This happened at Westbrook Elementary this year. Folks closed their eyes to it completely because it is a really, really tough conversation. The school received children from overcrowded schools and a big percentage is children in FARMS. The challenges are different and the realities too. The sister school that is traditionally supported at Westbrook is Viers Mill. Now they have to really face that there a big part of their population who have these challenges and the school changed. Is it good or bad? Neither. It is just a reality that needs to be addressed.

Speaking to the bold - as a poor person, I can tell you that pretty much all my problems would go away if I had enough money.

Speaking as a person in the development sector - there is a lot of research that shows that the best thing you can do for a poor person is give them money.

Many, many, many problems go away with money, let’s be real about that.

Problems typically go away with money because people with money are typically the people who learn to figure out problems. Giving money to losers really only creates losers with newfound money problems and temporarily nicer things. While there are idiots with money and poor people who just need their foot in the door, they are typically the exceptions not the rule to base policy around.

AKA "I got mine. So there."

There isn’t supposed to be free stuff, just a path to go get stuff. There will always be people who don’t want to take the path. There should be a difference in outcomes and the lesser should feel lesser. Ideally it should hurt their pride and feelings and that becomes the driving factor into not sucking.

I fully concede not everyone has to run all the bases or any at all. But progress is measured in generations too.

GTFOOH. White people have gotten a lot of free stuff in the history of this country. Then they give Black people peanuts and call them welfare queens. JFC.

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Anonymous wrote:OP the silver spring schools are rubbish. please don't move there because you feel poor compared to some families in Bethesda.

We were not rich and our kids did fine at Whitman. Go for the academically strongest place you can find. Whitman, BCC, Churchill. The second 2 of these will be more diverse, if that matters to you.

How can you know that the SS schools are rubbish? I don't have a dog in this fight, but am considering a MoCo move, and I had the impression that Blair, at least (which is TKPK not SS, I guess) had offerings and outcomes as good as the W/BCC schools.

Blair's college outcomes are a lot better than any W according to the data published by Bethesda Beat.

Also, there was that document that leaked a few years ago that showed the average SAT scores by demographic cohort for each HS was very interesting.

Wouldn't that just reflect that Blair has a competitive magnet program whereas the other schools do not?

And the Ws have their share of rich students. Maybe….. they’re all good?

No. There are plenty of mediocre rich kids. But magnet kids are selected for academics.

Of course, but the demographic population serving the W’s is richer (with fewer poor students), and that trends toward better academic performance. That gives them an edge. I’d be skeptical that demographically similar students at any of these schools perform that differently.

Depends on the distractions, poor kids have poor problems they can’t magically make go away with money. Those can infect an environment. Or is all the research stating that when FARM exceeds 30% that school quality and safety declines precipitously? If all the poor kids concentrated in the DCC don’t affect the middle class kids why is everyone angling so hard to ship them away?

This is so very true. This happened at Westbrook Elementary this year. Folks closed their eyes to it completely because it is a really, really tough conversation. The school received children from overcrowded schools and a big percentage is children in FARMS. The challenges are different and the realities too. The sister school that is traditionally supported at Westbrook is Viers Mill. Now they have to really face that there a big part of their population who have these challenges and the school changed. Is it good or bad? Neither. It is just a reality that needs to be addressed.

Speaking to the bold - as a poor person, I can tell you that pretty much all my problems would go away if I had enough money.

Speaking as a person in the development sector - there is a lot of research that shows that the best thing you can do for a poor person is give them money.

Many, many, many problems go away with money, let’s be real about that.

Problems typically go away with money because people with money are typically the people who learn to figure out problems. Giving money to losers really only creates losers with newfound money problems and temporarily nicer things. While there are idiots with money and poor people who just need their foot in the door, they are typically the exceptions not the rule to base policy around.

AKA "I got mine. So there."

There isn’t supposed to be free stuff, just a path to go get stuff. There will always be people who don’t want to take the path. There should be a difference in outcomes and the lesser should feel lesser. Ideally it should hurt their pride and feelings and that becomes the driving factor into not sucking.

I fully concede not everyone has to run all the bases or any at all. But progress is measured in generations too.

You literally have one life on this earth. Maybe 80ish years if you're lucky. And this is the outlook you choose. This is how you choose to think about your fellow humans. Wow.

That isn’t a human perspective it as a comment on reality. What would you have done? Wipe every political conflict, strategic positioning or wealth accumulation away every generation? Truth is the actions and consequences of our ancestors reverberate forward. Good and bad. It is literally our modus operandi to position our children well And of course that’s compounds after dozens of generations with privilege and resources.

What special and fairly recent in human history is that any kid in American could theoretically join the modern Royal class. Problem is there are very few slots and the kids of the existing occupants have an inside edge. Otherwise progress is slow, easy to backslide and never quick enough for the workers who will never see the benefits of their sacrifices all in the hope that one of theirs will make the leap someday. There are not enough seats in Bentleys, most people have to take the bus. The process of picking seats will never be fair because everyone wants the same thing

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Anonymous wrote:OP the silver spring schools are rubbish. please don't move there because you feel poor compared to some families in Bethesda.

We were not rich and our kids did fine at Whitman. Go for the academically strongest place you can find. Whitman, BCC, Churchill. The second 2 of these will be more diverse, if that matters to you.

How can you know that the SS schools are rubbish? I don't have a dog in this fight, but am considering a MoCo move, and I had the impression that Blair, at least (which is TKPK not SS, I guess) had offerings and outcomes as good as the W/BCC schools.

Blair's college outcomes are a lot better than any W according to the data published by Bethesda Beat.

Also, there was that document that leaked a few years ago that showed the average SAT scores by demographic cohort for each HS was very interesting.

Wouldn't that just reflect that Blair has a competitive magnet program whereas the other schools do not?

And the Ws have their share of rich students. Maybe….. they’re all good?

No. There are plenty of mediocre rich kids. But magnet kids are selected for academics.

Of course, but the demographic population serving the W’s is richer (with fewer poor students), and that trends toward better academic performance. That gives them an edge. I’d be skeptical that demographically similar students at any of these schools perform that differently.

Depends on the distractions, poor kids have poor problems they can’t magically make go away with money. Those can infect an environment. Or is all the research stating that when FARM exceeds 30% that school quality and safety declines precipitously? If all the poor kids concentrated in the DCC don’t affect the middle class kids why is everyone angling so hard to ship them away?

This is so very true. This happened at Westbrook Elementary this year. Folks closed their eyes to it completely because it is a really, really tough conversation. The school received children from overcrowded schools and a big percentage is children in FARMS. The challenges are different and the realities too. The sister school that is traditionally supported at Westbrook is Viers Mill. Now they have to really face that there a big part of their population who have these challenges and the school changed. Is it good or bad? Neither. It is just a reality that needs to be addressed.

Speaking to the bold - as a poor person, I can tell you that pretty much all my problems would go away if I had enough money.

Speaking as a person in the development sector - there is a lot of research that shows that the best thing you can do for a poor person is give them money.

Many, many, many problems go away with money, let’s be real about that.

Problems typically go away with money because people with money are typically the people who learn to figure out problems. Giving money to losers really only creates losers with newfound money problems and temporarily nicer things. While there are idiots with money and poor people who just need their foot in the door, they are typically the exceptions not the rule to base policy around.

AKA "I got mine. So there."

There isn’t supposed to be free stuff, just a path to go get stuff. There will always be people who don’t want to take the path. There should be a difference in outcomes and the lesser should feel lesser. Ideally it should hurt their pride and feelings and that becomes the driving factor into not sucking.

I fully concede not everyone has to run all the bases or any at all. But progress is measured in generations too.

GTFOOH. White people have gotten a lot of free stuff in the history of this country. Then they give Black people peanuts and call them welfare queens. JFC.

While you are not wrong, you are missing context. To be fair, it wasn’t given, it was taken with bloodshed and redistributed to the team disproportionally based on societal rank. As was the case with every culture in human history. It was partly the American enlightenment that has given rise to the concept that even the concurred deserve a cut of the winnings as both sides assimilate into one collective that we are still tying to figure out. That’s the messy and unprecedented part as we strive to be better. Problem is that is also the part triggering the societal insecurities of the lower rank/positioned (think poor trumpers) as they fear merging into a collective puts their already tedious positioning in society at risk. When you are used to stepping on someone’s neck, deep down you know what often happens when you help them stand up.

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The bible says the sins of the fathers are visited upon the children. White folks haven't yet had their reckoning for centuries of sin.

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Anonymous wrote:OP the silver spring schools are rubbish. please don't move there because you feel poor compared to some families in Bethesda.

We were not rich and our kids did fine at Whitman. Go for the academically strongest place you can find. Whitman, BCC, Churchill. The second 2 of these will be more diverse, if that matters to you.

How can you know that the SS schools are rubbish? I don't have a dog in this fight, but am considering a MoCo move, and I had the impression that Blair, at least (which is TKPK not SS, I guess) had offerings and outcomes as good as the W/BCC schools.

Blair's college outcomes are a lot better than any W according to the data published by Bethesda Beat.

Also, there was that document that leaked a few years ago that showed the average SAT scores by demographic cohort for each HS was very interesting.

Wouldn't that just reflect that Blair has a competitive magnet program whereas the other schools do not?

And the Ws have their share of rich students. Maybe….. they’re all good?

No. There are plenty of mediocre rich kids. But magnet kids are selected for academics.

Of course, but the demographic population serving the W’s is richer (with fewer poor students), and that trends toward better academic performance. That gives them an edge. I’d be skeptical that demographically similar students at any of these schools perform that differently.

Depends on the distractions, poor kids have poor problems they can’t magically make go away with money. Those can infect an environment. Or is all the research stating that when FARM exceeds 30% that school quality and safety declines precipitously? If all the poor kids concentrated in the DCC don’t affect the middle class kids why is everyone angling so hard to ship them away?

This is so very true. This happened at Westbrook Elementary this year. Folks closed their eyes to it completely because it is a really, really tough conversation. The school received children from overcrowded schools and a big percentage is children in FARMS. The challenges are different and the realities too. The sister school that is traditionally supported at Westbrook is Viers Mill. Now they have to really face that there a big part of their population who have these challenges and the school changed. Is it good or bad? Neither. It is just a reality that needs to be addressed.

Speaking to the bold - as a poor person, I can tell you that pretty much all my problems would go away if I had enough money.

Speaking as a person in the development sector - there is a lot of research that shows that the best thing you can do for a poor person is give them money.

Many, many, many problems go away with money, let’s be real about that.

Problems typically go away with money because people with money are typically the people who learn to figure out problems. Giving money to losers really only creates losers with newfound money problems and temporarily nicer things. While there are idiots with money and poor people who just need their foot in the door, they are typically the exceptions not the rule to base policy around.

AKA "I got mine. So there."

There isn’t supposed to be free stuff, just a path to go get stuff. There will always be people who don’t want to take the path. There should be a difference in outcomes and the lesser should feel lesser. Ideally it should hurt their pride and feelings and that becomes the driving factor into not sucking.

I fully concede not everyone has to run all the bases or any at all. But progress is measured in generations too.

GTFOOH. White people have gotten a lot of free stuff in the history of this country. Then they give Black people peanuts and call them welfare queens. JFC.

While you are not wrong, you are missing context. To be fair, it wasn’t given, it was taken with bloodshed and redistributed to the team disproportionally based on societal rank. As was the case with every culture in human history. It was partly the American enlightenment that has given rise to the concept that even the concurred deserve a cut of the winnings as both sides assimilate into one collective that we are still tying to figure out. That’s the messy and unprecedented part as we strive to be better. Problem is that is also the part triggering the societal insecurities of the lower rank/positioned (think poor trumpers) as they fear merging into a collective puts their already tedious positioning in society at risk. When you are used to stepping on someone’s neck, deep down you know what often happens when you help them stand up.

You are talking about this as though all White people are in a sports team and they won a game. White people aren't a "team". They weren't all working together. The free stuff was used to get poor White people to buy into an oppressive economic system.

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Anonymous wrote:OP the silver spring schools are rubbish. please don't move there because you feel poor compared to some families in Bethesda.

We were not rich and our kids did fine at Whitman. Go for the academically strongest place you can find. Whitman, BCC, Churchill. The second 2 of these will be more diverse, if that matters to you.

How can you know that the SS schools are rubbish? I don't have a dog in this fight, but am considering a MoCo move, and I had the impression that Blair, at least (which is TKPK not SS, I guess) had offerings and outcomes as good as the W/BCC schools.

Blair's college outcomes are a lot better than any W according to the data published by Bethesda Beat.

Also, there was that document that leaked a few years ago that showed the average SAT scores by demographic cohort for each HS was very interesting.

Wouldn't that just reflect that Blair has a competitive magnet program whereas the other schools do not?

And the Ws have their share of rich students. Maybe….. they’re all good?

No. There are plenty of mediocre rich kids. But magnet kids are selected for academics.

Of course, but the demographic population serving the W’s is richer (with fewer poor students), and that trends toward better academic performance. That gives them an edge. I’d be skeptical that demographically similar students at any of these schools perform that differently.

Depends on the distractions, poor kids have poor problems they can’t magically make go away with money. Those can infect an environment. Or is all the research stating that when FARM exceeds 30% that school quality and safety declines precipitously? If all the poor kids concentrated in the DCC don’t affect the middle class kids why is everyone angling so hard to ship them away?

This is so very true. This happened at Westbrook Elementary this year. Folks closed their eyes to it completely because it is a really, really tough conversation. The school received children from overcrowded schools and a big percentage is children in FARMS. The challenges are different and the realities too. The sister school that is traditionally supported at Westbrook is Viers Mill. Now they have to really face that there a big part of their population who have these challenges and the school changed. Is it good or bad? Neither. It is just a reality that needs to be addressed.

Speaking to the bold - as a poor person, I can tell you that pretty much all my problems would go away if I had enough money.

Speaking as a person in the development sector - there is a lot of research that shows that the best thing you can do for a poor person is give them money.

Many, many, many problems go away with money, let’s be real about that.

Problems typically go away with money because people with money are typically the people who learn to figure out problems. Giving money to losers really only creates losers with newfound money problems and temporarily nicer things. While there are idiots with money and poor people who just need their foot in the door, they are typically the exceptions not the rule to base policy around.

AKA "I got mine. So there."

There isn’t supposed to be free stuff, just a path to go get stuff. There will always be people who don’t want to take the path. There should be a difference in outcomes and the lesser should feel lesser. Ideally it should hurt their pride and feelings and that becomes the driving factor into not sucking.

I fully concede not everyone has to run all the bases or any at all. But progress is measured in generations too.

GTFOOH. White people have gotten a lot of free stuff in the history of this country. Then they give Black people peanuts and call them welfare queens. JFC.

While you are not wrong, you are missing context. To be fair, it wasn’t given, it was taken with bloodshed and redistributed to the team disproportionally based on societal rank. As was the case with every culture in human history. It was partly the American enlightenment that has given rise to the concept that even the concurred deserve a cut of the winnings as both sides assimilate into one collective that we are still tying to figure out. That’s the messy and unprecedented part as we strive to be better. Problem is that is also the part triggering the societal insecurities of the lower rank/positioned (think poor trumpers) as they fear merging into a collective puts their already tedious positioning in society at risk. When you are used to stepping on someone’s neck, deep down you know what often happens when you help them stand up.

You are talking about this as though all White people are in a sports team and they won a game. White people aren't a "team". They weren't all working together. The free stuff was used to get poor White people to buy into an oppressive economic system.

White people isn’t quite correct but early Americans is. People incentivize spectators to sit in the stands at sporting events and they absolutely wear the colors of the team. The system by the very definition has favored parties, and non-favor partied. While not all about race that is the construct people typically over simplify it to.

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Why are you limiting your search to W / BCC if you are concerned with their lack of economic diversity? Why not consider Blair? We opted to move to SS for Blair rather than Bethesda because we like the look of Blair more than the Ws/BCC (though there were many other factors at play!)

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Anonymous wrote:Why are you limiting your search to W / BCC if you are concerned with their lack of economic diversity? Why not consider Blair? We opted to move to SS for Blair rather than Bethesda because we like the look of Blair more than the Ws/BCC (though there were many other factors at play!)

DCUM: It's always Blair and the W's!

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DP. I would worry less about the school and more about safety. If your kid is safe, who cares about who's rich or poor?

Look at Safety at a Glance (a MCPS document), then look at where you would be living before you decide anything. SpotCrime shows Shootings and Other (Sudden Death).