When are the restaurant tables that are on the street...

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I think a lot of people on this thread only go to places they can walk or ride bikes to so only know a teeny, tiny percentage of the city let alone the metro area

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Anonymous wrote:I like the streeteries, don't care about your parking problems

Ok, well less parking means fewer customers for restaurants. We’ve found ourselves increasingly going over the border to the suburbs because it’s less hassle. Not good for anyone who runs a business in DC

That’s because you live in Upper Caucasia, the part of DC that really isn’t even a city.

Uh, huh. Says the guy who just moved here from Indiana

This. Being smug about living in Logan circle is a specific look.

Yes, I do live in VA. But im from here and mostly metro for DC stuff. I take public transportation, walk, bike to work often and prefer it. Sometimes i do need to drive though. Especially if it’s a time we have to get a sitter. Not finding parking within a few blocks does impact dining choice at times.

If you ate going places where you are at risk for not finding a parking spot within a few blocks, that means you are going places like the Wharf, Navy Yard, Dupont, 14th Street - in other words high density, high vibrancy areas where parking has been at a premium with or without streeteries. If you are going places like Chevy Chase, DC or Cleveland Park, parking is still pretty easy and streetaries are not really impacting it at all.

And when you say "not finding parking" do you mean relatively free street parking or paid parking in a garage? Because in the high density areas, you are more likely to need to pay for parking anyhow. So using an Uber is likely more time and cost effective than trying to drive and park.

If I can't find parking within the four spots directly in front of the door of an establishment, I'm not going to eat there!!!

Have a nice dinner at Applebees!

There are no Applebees within 15 miles of DC. Once again you have shown a complete lack of knowledge or understanding of the DMV. Go back to whatever godforsaken town you are from and make that place better.

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Also, uh, this is DC — the suburbs are way more diverse *in every possible way* than the city itself. You can tell the people on this thread who are so, so eager to dunk on the suburbs as some sort of 1950s stereotype haven’t been here very long. The suburbs of DC are not like the suburbs in the crappy midwestern state you just moved here from.

Drive past Vienna and its Centerville and Manassas. Stroad-a-licious big box stores. Yay. Drive north on 270 and Rockville - parts are quant, but the Pike is there - more stroads and big box stores. Go anywhere on the east side of the city outside of the most immediate regions like Hyattsville or Mount Rainer - more stroads and big box stores. Cool.

Also there's an Applebee's on freaking Penn Ave just 4 miles outside the city in the SE. There's another in Largo, 6 miles east. There's another just south of Alexandria about 4.5 miles SW of the city. Yeah, the immediate stuff on the border of the city generally is okay - places like Bethesda, Crystal City, Alexandria, Takoma Park, etc. But go even a couple miles out from that and its just like any other place in America bud. Big box stores, chain restaurants galore, tons of wide 4-8 lane roads, fast food freakign everywhere.

Areas with stroads can, and in fact do, have diverse populations. To the extent the stroady parts of the DC suburbs are "just like any other place in America bud", it's because American suburbs are diverse and keep getting more so. It's 2023, not 1965.

I didn't say anything about who was living there. This is about restaurant choices. With few exceptions like downtown Wheaton, there is very little that's outside of a couple miles from DC that has a solid footprint of eclectic dining establishments because of the pervasiveness of stroady big boxes and large corporate owned restaurant or fast food chains.

You know absolutely nothing about this region. JFC

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Anonymous wrote:The census bureau said a year or so ago that compared to states, dc is the only place in the country that is becoming whiter

DC has some pretty extreme gentrification

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Anonymous wrote:I like the streeteries, don't care about your parking problems

Ok, well less parking means fewer customers for restaurants. We’ve found ourselves increasingly going over the border to the suburbs because it’s less hassle. Not good for anyone who runs a business in DC

That’s because you live in Upper Caucasia, the part of DC that really isn’t even a city.

Uh, huh. Says the guy who just moved here from Indiana

This. Being smug about living in Logan circle is a specific look.

Yes, I do live in VA. But im from here and mostly metro for DC stuff. I take public transportation, walk, bike to work often and prefer it. Sometimes i do need to drive though. Especially if it’s a time we have to get a sitter. Not finding parking within a few blocks does impact dining choice at times.

If you ate going places where you are at risk for not finding a parking spot within a few blocks, that means you are going places like the Wharf, Navy Yard, Dupont, 14th Street - in other words high density, high vibrancy areas where parking has been at a premium with or without streeteries. If you are going places like Chevy Chase, DC or Cleveland Park, parking is still pretty easy and streetaries are not really impacting it at all.

And when you say "not finding parking" do you mean relatively free street parking or paid parking in a garage? Because in the high density areas, you are more likely to need to pay for parking anyhow. So using an Uber is likely more time and cost effective than trying to drive and park.

If I can't find parking within the four spots directly in front of the door of an establishment, I'm not going to eat there!!!

Have a nice dinner at Applebees!

There are no Applebees within 15 miles of DC. Once again you have shown a complete lack of knowledge or understanding of the DMV. Go back to whatever godforsaken town you are from and make that place better.

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Also, uh, this is DC — the suburbs are way more diverse *in every possible way* than the city itself. You can tell the people on this thread who are so, so eager to dunk on the suburbs as some sort of 1950s stereotype haven’t been here very long. The suburbs of DC are not like the suburbs in the crappy midwestern state you just moved here from.

Drive past Vienna and its Centerville and Manassas. Stroad-a-licious big box stores. Yay. Drive north on 270 and Rockville - parts are quant, but the Pike is there - more stroads and big box stores. Go anywhere on the east side of the city outside of the most immediate regions like Hyattsville or Mount Rainer - more stroads and big box stores. Cool.

Also there's an Applebee's on freaking Penn Ave just 4 miles outside the city in the SE. There's another in Largo, 6 miles east. There's another just south of Alexandria about 4.5 miles SW of the city. Yeah, the immediate stuff on the border of the city generally is okay - places like Bethesda, Crystal City, Alexandria, Takoma Park, etc. But go even a couple miles out from that and it's just like any other place in America bud. Big box stores, chain restaurants galore, tons of wide 4-8 lane roads, fast food freakign everywhere.

Bethesda largely deserves whatever food-based scorn people are heaping on D.C.'s suburbs; the good Montgomery County food options are in Rockville, Wheaton, Silver Spring, and parts of Gaithersburg.

Meanwhile, Prince Georges County offers the best West African restaurants in the area, and the one and only Sri Lankan menu in the entire region. and a fuk ton of Afro Cuban fare.

The Fava Pot that millennials pretend they discovered at Union Market? Brought to you by Fairfax County. Bistro Aracosia? Also from Fairfax County!

We could do this all day! Of course, since these superior eateries are NOT BIKABLE, and not adorably packaged into a "district" like the Wharf / Navy Yard / Barracks Row / NoMa, they don't count.

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Anonymous wrote:I like the streeteries, don't care about your parking problems

Ok, well less parking means fewer customers for restaurants. We’ve found ourselves increasingly going over the border to the suburbs because it’s less hassle. Not good for anyone who runs a business in DC

That’s because you live in Upper Caucasia, the part of DC that really isn’t even a city.

Uh, huh. Says the guy who just moved here from Indiana

This. Being smug about living in Logan circle is a specific look.

Yes, I do live in VA. But im from here and mostly metro for DC stuff. I take public transportation, walk, bike to work often and prefer it. Sometimes i do need to drive though. Especially if it’s a time we have to get a sitter. Not finding parking within a few blocks does impact dining choice at times.

If you ate going places where you are at risk for not finding a parking spot within a few blocks, that means you are going places like the Wharf, Navy Yard, Dupont, 14th Street - in other words high density, high vibrancy areas where parking has been at a premium with or without streeteries. If you are going places like Chevy Chase, DC or Cleveland Park, parking is still pretty easy and streetaries are not really impacting it at all.

And when you say "not finding parking" do you mean relatively free street parking or paid parking in a garage? Because in the high density areas, you are more likely to need to pay for parking anyhow. So using an Uber is likely more time and cost effective than trying to drive and park.

If I can't find parking within the four spots directly in front of the door of an establishment, I'm not going to eat there!!!

Have a nice dinner at Applebees!

There are no Applebees within 15 miles of DC. Once again you have shown a complete lack of knowledge or understanding of the DMV. Go back to whatever godforsaken town you are from and make that place better.

+1000

Also, uh, this is DC — the suburbs are way more diverse *in every possible way* than the city itself. You can tell the people on this thread who are so, so eager to dunk on the suburbs as some sort of 1950s stereotype haven’t been here very long. The suburbs of DC are not like the suburbs in the crappy midwestern state you just moved here from.

Drive past Vienna and its Centerville and Manassas. Stroad-a-licious big box stores. Yay. Drive north on 270 and Rockville - parts are quant, but the Pike is there - more stroads and big box stores. Go anywhere on the east side of the city outside of the most immediate regions like Hyattsville or Mount Rainer - more stroads and big box stores. Cool.

Also there's an Applebee's on freaking Penn Ave just 4 miles outside the city in the SE. There's another in Largo, 6 miles east. There's another just south of Alexandria about 4.5 miles SW of the city. Yeah, the immediate stuff on the border of the city generally is okay - places like Bethesda, Crystal City, Alexandria, Takoma Park, etc. But go even a couple miles out from that and it's just like any other place in America bud. Big box stores, chain restaurants galore, tons of wide 4-8 lane roads, fast food freakign everywhere.

Bethesda largely deserves whatever food-based scorn people are heaping on D.C.'s suburbs; the good Montgomery County food options are in Rockville, Wheaton, Silver Spring, and parts of Gaithersburg.

Meanwhile, Prince Georges County offers the best West African restaurants in the area, and the one and only Sri Lankan menu in the entire region. and a fuk ton of Afro Cuban fare.

The Fava Pot that millennials pretend they discovered at Union Market? Brought to you by Fairfax County. Bistro Aracosia? Also from Fairfax County!

We could do this all day! Of course, since these superior eateries are NOT BIKABLE, and not adorably packaged into a "district" like the Wharf / Navy Yard / Barracks Row / NoMa, they don't count.

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Where is the Applebees guy now?

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Anonymous wrote:I like the streeteries, don't care about your parking problems

Ok, well less parking means fewer customers for restaurants. We’ve found ourselves increasingly going over the border to the suburbs because it’s less hassle. Not good for anyone who runs a business in DC

That’s because you live in Upper Caucasia, the part of DC that really isn’t even a city.

Uh, huh. Says the guy who just moved here from Indiana

This. Being smug about living in Logan circle is a specific look.

Yes, I do live in VA. But im from here and mostly metro for DC stuff. I take public transportation, walk, bike to work often and prefer it. Sometimes i do need to drive though. Especially if it’s a time we have to get a sitter. Not finding parking within a few blocks does impact dining choice at times.

If you ate going places where you are at risk for not finding a parking spot within a few blocks, that means you are going places like the Wharf, Navy Yard, Dupont, 14th Street - in other words high density, high vibrancy areas where parking has been at a premium with or without streeteries. If you are going places like Chevy Chase, DC or Cleveland Park, parking is still pretty easy and streetaries are not really impacting it at all.

And when you say "not finding parking" do you mean relatively free street parking or paid parking in a garage? Because in the high density areas, you are more likely to need to pay for parking anyhow. So using an Uber is likely more time and cost effective than trying to drive and park.

If I can't find parking within the four spots directly in front of the door of an establishment, I'm not going to eat there!!!

Have a nice dinner at Applebees!

There are no Applebees within 15 miles of DC. Once again you have shown a complete lack of knowledge or understanding of the DMV. Go back to whatever godforsaken town you are from and make that place better.

+1000

Also, uh, this is DC — the suburbs are way more diverse *in every possible way* than the city itself. You can tell the people on this thread who are so, so eager to dunk on the suburbs as some sort of 1950s stereotype haven’t been here very long. The suburbs of DC are not like the suburbs in the crappy midwestern state you just moved here from.

Drive past Vienna and its Centerville and Manassas. Stroad-a-licious big box stores. Yay. Drive north on 270 and Rockville - parts are quant, but the Pike is there - more stroads and big box stores. Go anywhere on the east side of the city outside of the most immediate regions like Hyattsville or Mount Rainer - more stroads and big box stores. Cool.

Also there's an Applebee's on freaking Penn Ave just 4 miles outside the city in the SE. There's another in Largo, 6 miles east. There's another just south of Alexandria about 4.5 miles SW of the city. Yeah, the immediate stuff on the border of the city generally is okay - places like Bethesda, Crystal City, Alexandria, Takoma Park, etc. But go even a couple miles out from that and it's just like any other place in America bud. Big box stores, chain restaurants galore, tons of wide 4-8 lane roads, fast food freakign everywhere.

Bethesda largely deserves whatever food-based scorn people are heaping on D.C.'s suburbs; the good Montgomery County food options are in Rockville, Wheaton, Silver Spring, and parts of Gaithersburg.

Meanwhile, Prince Georges County offers the best West African restaurants in the area, and the one and only Sri Lankan menu in the entire region. and a fuk ton of Afro Cuban fare.

The Fava Pot that millennials pretend they discovered at Union Market? Brought to you by Fairfax County. Bistro Aracosia? Also from Fairfax County!

We could do this all day! Of course, since these superior eateries are NOT BIKABLE, and not adorably packaged into a "district" like the Wharf / Navy Yard / Barracks Row / NoMa, they don't count.

+1

Where is the Applebees guy now?

So go drive to these fantastic restaurants, and stop whinging about the lack of parking downtown. Why are you coming into the city if everything you'd ever need and want is on your doorstep?

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Anonymous wrote:I like the streeteries, don't care about your parking problems

Ok, well less parking means fewer customers for restaurants. We’ve found ourselves increasingly going over the border to the suburbs because it’s less hassle. Not good for anyone who runs a business in DC

That’s because you live in Upper Caucasia, the part of DC that really isn’t even a city.

Uh, huh. Says the guy who just moved here from Indiana

This. Being smug about living in Logan circle is a specific look.

Yes, I do live in VA. But im from here and mostly metro for DC stuff. I take public transportation, walk, bike to work often and prefer it. Sometimes i do need to drive though. Especially if it’s a time we have to get a sitter. Not finding parking within a few blocks does impact dining choice at times.

If you ate going places where you are at risk for not finding a parking spot within a few blocks, that means you are going places like the Wharf, Navy Yard, Dupont, 14th Street - in other words high density, high vibrancy areas where parking has been at a premium with or without streeteries. If you are going places like Chevy Chase, DC or Cleveland Park, parking is still pretty easy and streetaries are not really impacting it at all.

And when you say "not finding parking" do you mean relatively free street parking or paid parking in a garage? Because in the high density areas, you are more likely to need to pay for parking anyhow. So using an Uber is likely more time and cost effective than trying to drive and park.

If I can't find parking within the four spots directly in front of the door of an establishment, I'm not going to eat there!!!

Have a nice dinner at Applebees!

There are no Applebees within 15 miles of DC. Once again you have shown a complete lack of knowledge or understanding of the DMV. Go back to whatever godforsaken town you are from and make that place better.

+1000

Also, uh, this is DC — the suburbs are way more diverse *in every possible way* than the city itself. You can tell the people on this thread who are so, so eager to dunk on the suburbs as some sort of 1950s stereotype haven’t been here very long. The suburbs of DC are not like the suburbs in the crappy midwestern state you just moved here from.

Drive past Vienna and its Centerville and Manassas. Stroad-a-licious big box stores. Yay. Drive north on 270 and Rockville - parts are quant, but the Pike is there - more stroads and big box stores. Go anywhere on the east side of the city outside of the most immediate regions like Hyattsville or Mount Rainer - more stroads and big box stores. Cool.

Also there's an Applebee's on freaking Penn Ave just 4 miles outside the city in the SE. There's another in Largo, 6 miles east. There's another just south of Alexandria about 4.5 miles SW of the city. Yeah, the immediate stuff on the border of the city generally is okay - places like Bethesda, Crystal City, Alexandria, Takoma Park, etc. But go even a couple miles out from that and it's just like any other place in America bud. Big box stores, chain restaurants galore, tons of wide 4-8 lane roads, fast food freakign everywhere.

Bethesda largely deserves whatever food-based scorn people are heaping on D.C.'s suburbs; the good Montgomery County food options are in Rockville, Wheaton, Silver Spring, and parts of Gaithersburg.

Meanwhile, Prince Georges County offers the best West African restaurants in the area, and the one and only Sri Lankan menu in the entire region. and a fuk ton of Afro Cuban fare.

The Fava Pot that millennials pretend they discovered at Union Market? Brought to you by Fairfax County. Bistro Aracosia? Also from Fairfax County!

We could do this all day! Of course, since these superior eateries are NOT BIKABLE, and not adorably packaged into a "district" like the Wharf / Navy Yard / Barracks Row / NoMa, they don't count.

They are bikeable, in the sense that people do bike there, for example the employees. And also walk and take buses. It's not convenient, pleasant, or safe, but people do what they have to do.

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If we are going to hand public space over to these restaurants, the city should lease the space to them and require standards of design so these streeteries don't look as bad as they do now.

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Anonymous wrote:If we are going to hand public space over to these restaurants, the city should lease the space to them and require standards of design so these streeteries don't look as bad as they do now.

I think the streeteries look a lot nicer than cars, either parked or driving.

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Anonymous wrote:I like the streeteries, don't care about your parking problems

Ok, well less parking means fewer customers for restaurants. We’ve found ourselves increasingly going over the border to the suburbs because it’s less hassle. Not good for anyone who runs a business in DC

That’s because you live in Upper Caucasia, the part of DC that really isn’t even a city.

Uh, huh. Says the guy who just moved here from Indiana

This. Being smug about living in Logan circle is a specific look.

Yes, I do live in VA. But im from here and mostly metro for DC stuff. I take public transportation, walk, bike to work often and prefer it. Sometimes i do need to drive though. Especially if it’s a time we have to get a sitter. Not finding parking within a few blocks does impact dining choice at times.

If you ate going places where you are at risk for not finding a parking spot within a few blocks, that means you are going places like the Wharf, Navy Yard, Dupont, 14th Street - in other words high density, high vibrancy areas where parking has been at a premium with or without streeteries. If you are going places like Chevy Chase, DC or Cleveland Park, parking is still pretty easy and streetaries are not really impacting it at all.

And when you say "not finding parking" do you mean relatively free street parking or paid parking in a garage? Because in the high density areas, you are more likely to need to pay for parking anyhow. So using an Uber is likely more time and cost effective than trying to drive and park.

If I can't find parking within the four spots directly in front of the door of an establishment, I'm not going to eat there!!!

Have a nice dinner at Applebees!

There are no Applebees within 15 miles of DC. Once again you have shown a complete lack of knowledge or understanding of the DMV. Go back to whatever godforsaken town you are from and make that place better.

+1000

Also, uh, this is DC — the suburbs are way more diverse *in every possible way* than the city itself. You can tell the people on this thread who are so, so eager to dunk on the suburbs as some sort of 1950s stereotype haven’t been here very long. The suburbs of DC are not like the suburbs in the crappy midwestern state you just moved here from.

Drive past Vienna and its Centerville and Manassas. Stroad-a-licious big box stores. Yay. Drive north on 270 and Rockville - parts are quant, but the Pike is there - more stroads and big box stores. Go anywhere on the east side of the city outside of the most immediate regions like Hyattsville or Mount Rainer - more stroads and big box stores. Cool.

Also there's an Applebee's on freaking Penn Ave just 4 miles outside the city in the SE. There's another in Largo, 6 miles east. There's another just south of Alexandria about 4.5 miles SW of the city. Yeah, the immediate stuff on the border of the city generally is okay - places like Bethesda, Crystal City, Alexandria, Takoma Park, etc. But go even a couple miles out from that and it's just like any other place in America bud. Big box stores, chain restaurants galore, tons of wide 4-8 lane roads, fast food freakign everywhere.

Bethesda largely deserves whatever food-based scorn people are heaping on D.C.'s suburbs; the good Montgomery County food options are in Rockville, Wheaton, Silver Spring, and parts of Gaithersburg.

Meanwhile, Prince Georges County offers the best West African restaurants in the area, and the one and only Sri Lankan menu in the entire region. and a fuk ton of Afro Cuban fare.

The Fava Pot that millennials pretend they discovered at Union Market? Brought to you by Fairfax County. Bistro Aracosia? Also from Fairfax County!

We could do this all day! Of course, since these superior eateries are NOT BIKABLE, and not adorably packaged into a "district" like the Wharf / Navy Yard / Barracks Row / NoMa, they don't count.

+1

Where is the Applebees guy now?

So go drive to these fantastic restaurants, and stop whinging about the lack of parking downtown. Why are you coming into the city if everything you'd ever need and want is on your doorstep?

Whinging? Now you're affecting British english?

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These “street” places are contributing to continued WFH due to commuting problems that are killing CRE as well as city tax revenue based upon RE values. People have a choice now.

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Anonymous wrote:I like the streeteries, don't care about your parking problems

Ok, well less parking means fewer customers for restaurants. We’ve found ourselves increasingly going over the border to the suburbs because it’s less hassle. Not good for anyone who runs a business in DC

That’s because you live in Upper Caucasia, the part of DC that really isn’t even a city.

Uh, huh. Says the guy who just moved here from Indiana

This. Being smug about living in Logan circle is a specific look.

Yes, I do live in VA. But im from here and mostly metro for DC stuff. I take public transportation, walk, bike to work often and prefer it. Sometimes i do need to drive though. Especially if it’s a time we have to get a sitter. Not finding parking within a few blocks does impact dining choice at times.

If you ate going places where you are at risk for not finding a parking spot within a few blocks, that means you are going places like the Wharf, Navy Yard, Dupont, 14th Street - in other words high density, high vibrancy areas where parking has been at a premium with or without streeteries. If you are going places like Chevy Chase, DC or Cleveland Park, parking is still pretty easy and streetaries are not really impacting it at all.

And when you say "not finding parking" do you mean relatively free street parking or paid parking in a garage? Because in the high density areas, you are more likely to need to pay for parking anyhow. So using an Uber is likely more time and cost effective than trying to drive and park.

If I can't find parking within the four spots directly in front of the door of an establishment, I'm not going to eat there!!!

Have a nice dinner at Applebees!

There are no Applebees within 15 miles of DC. Once again you have shown a complete lack of knowledge or understanding of the DMV. Go back to whatever godforsaken town you are from and make that place better.

+1000

Also, uh, this is DC — the suburbs are way more diverse *in every possible way* than the city itself. You can tell the people on this thread who are so, so eager to dunk on the suburbs as some sort of 1950s stereotype haven’t been here very long. The suburbs of DC are not like the suburbs in the crappy midwestern state you just moved here from.

Drive past Vienna and its Centerville and Manassas. Stroad-a-licious big box stores. Yay. Drive north on 270 and Rockville - parts are quant, but the Pike is there - more stroads and big box stores. Go anywhere on the east side of the city outside of the most immediate regions like Hyattsville or Mount Rainer - more stroads and big box stores. Cool.

Also there's an Applebee's on freaking Penn Ave just 4 miles outside the city in the SE. There's another in Largo, 6 miles east. There's another just south of Alexandria about 4.5 miles SW of the city. Yeah, the immediate stuff on the border of the city generally is okay - places like Bethesda, Crystal City, Alexandria, Takoma Park, etc. But go even a couple miles out from that and it's just like any other place in America bud. Big box stores, chain restaurants galore, tons of wide 4-8 lane roads, fast food freakign everywhere.

Bethesda largely deserves whatever food-based scorn people are heaping on D.C.'s suburbs; the good Montgomery County food options are in Rockville, Wheaton, Silver Spring, and parts of Gaithersburg.

Meanwhile, Prince Georges County offers the best West African restaurants in the area, and the one and only Sri Lankan menu in the entire region. and a fuk ton of Afro Cuban fare.

The Fava Pot that millennials pretend they discovered at Union Market? Brought to you by Fairfax County. Bistro Aracosia? Also from Fairfax County!

We could do this all day! Of course, since these superior eateries are NOT BIKABLE, and not adorably packaged into a "district" like the Wharf / Navy Yard / Barracks Row / NoMa, they don't count.

+1

Where is the Applebees guy now?

So go drive to these fantastic restaurants, and stop whinging about the lack of parking downtown. Why are you coming into the city if everything you'd ever need and want is on your doorstep?

Whinging? Now you're affecting British english?

It's a well-known term, hence your recognition of it.

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Anonymous wrote:The census bureau said a year or so ago that compared to states, dc is the only place in the country that is becoming whiter

Kind of amazing

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Anonymous wrote:I like the streeteries, don't care about your parking problems

Ok, well less parking means fewer customers for restaurants. We’ve found ourselves increasingly going over the border to the suburbs because it’s less hassle. Not good for anyone who runs a business in DC

That’s because you live in Upper Caucasia, the part of DC that really isn’t even a city.

Uh, huh. Says the guy who just moved here from Indiana

This. Being smug about living in Logan circle is a specific look.

Yes, I do live in VA. But im from here and mostly metro for DC stuff. I take public transportation, walk, bike to work often and prefer it. Sometimes i do need to drive though. Especially if it’s a time we have to get a sitter. Not finding parking within a few blocks does impact dining choice at times.

If you ate going places where you are at risk for not finding a parking spot within a few blocks, that means you are going places like the Wharf, Navy Yard, Dupont, 14th Street - in other words high density, high vibrancy areas where parking has been at a premium with or without streeteries. If you are going places like Chevy Chase, DC or Cleveland Park, parking is still pretty easy and streetaries are not really impacting it at all.

And when you say "not finding parking" do you mean relatively free street parking or paid parking in a garage? Because in the high density areas, you are more likely to need to pay for parking anyhow. So using an Uber is likely more time and cost effective than trying to drive and park.

If I can't find parking within the four spots directly in front of the door of an establishment, I'm not going to eat there!!!

Have a nice dinner at Applebees!

There are no Applebees within 15 miles of DC. Once again you have shown a complete lack of knowledge or understanding of the DMV. Go back to whatever godforsaken town you are from and make that place better.

+1000

Also, uh, this is DC — the suburbs are way more diverse *in every possible way* than the city itself. You can tell the people on this thread who are so, so eager to dunk on the suburbs as some sort of 1950s stereotype haven’t been here very long. The suburbs of DC are not like the suburbs in the crappy midwestern state you just moved here from.

Drive past Vienna and its Centerville and Manassas. Stroad-a-licious big box stores. Yay. Drive north on 270 and Rockville - parts are quant, but the Pike is there - more stroads and big box stores. Go anywhere on the east side of the city outside of the most immediate regions like Hyattsville or Mount Rainer - more stroads and big box stores. Cool.

Also there's an Applebee's on freaking Penn Ave just 4 miles outside the city in the SE. There's another in Largo, 6 miles east. There's another just south of Alexandria about 4.5 miles SW of the city. Yeah, the immediate stuff on the border of the city generally is okay - places like Bethesda, Crystal City, Alexandria, Takoma Park, etc. But go even a couple miles out from that and it's just like any other place in America bud. Big box stores, chain restaurants galore, tons of wide 4-8 lane roads, fast food freakign everywhere.

Bethesda largely deserves whatever food-based scorn people are heaping on D.C.'s suburbs; the good Montgomery County food options are in Rockville, Wheaton, Silver Spring, and parts of Gaithersburg.

Meanwhile, Prince Georges County offers the best West African restaurants in the area, and the one and only Sri Lankan menu in the entire region. and a fuk ton of Afro Cuban fare.

The Fava Pot that millennials pretend they discovered at Union Market? Brought to you by Fairfax County. Bistro Aracosia? Also from Fairfax County!

We could do this all day! Of course, since these superior eateries are NOT BIKABLE, and not adorably packaged into a "district" like the Wharf / Navy Yard / Barracks Row / NoMa, they don't count.

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Where is the Applebees guy now?

So go drive to these fantastic restaurants, and stop whinging about the lack of parking downtown. Why are you coming into the city if everything you'd ever need and want is on your doorstep?

Whinging? Now you're affecting British english?

It's a well-known term, hence your recognition of it.

No it isn't and it's not American English. It's usually used, along with arse and shite, by pretentious wannabes to try and sound cultured or European.

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Anonymous wrote:I like the streeteries, don't care about your parking problems

Ok, well less parking means fewer customers for restaurants. We’ve found ourselves increasingly going over the border to the suburbs because it’s less hassle. Not good for anyone who runs a business in DC

That’s because you live in Upper Caucasia, the part of DC that really isn’t even a city.

Uh, huh. Says the guy who just moved here from Indiana

This. Being smug about living in Logan circle is a specific look.

Yes, I do live in VA. But im from here and mostly metro for DC stuff. I take public transportation, walk, bike to work often and prefer it. Sometimes i do need to drive though. Especially if it’s a time we have to get a sitter. Not finding parking within a few blocks does impact dining choice at times.

If you ate going places where you are at risk for not finding a parking spot within a few blocks, that means you are going places like the Wharf, Navy Yard, Dupont, 14th Street - in other words high density, high vibrancy areas where parking has been at a premium with or without streeteries. If you are going places like Chevy Chase, DC or Cleveland Park, parking is still pretty easy and streetaries are not really impacting it at all.

And when you say "not finding parking" do you mean relatively free street parking or paid parking in a garage? Because in the high density areas, you are more likely to need to pay for parking anyhow. So using an Uber is likely more time and cost effective than trying to drive and park.

If I can't find parking within the four spots directly in front of the door of an establishment, I'm not going to eat there!!!

Have a nice dinner at Applebees!

There are no Applebees within 15 miles of DC. Once again you have shown a complete lack of knowledge or understanding of the DMV. Go back to whatever godforsaken town you are from and make that place better.

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Also, uh, this is DC — the suburbs are way more diverse *in every possible way* than the city itself. You can tell the people on this thread who are so, so eager to dunk on the suburbs as some sort of 1950s stereotype haven’t been here very long. The suburbs of DC are not like the suburbs in the crappy midwestern state you just moved here from.

Drive past Vienna and its Centerville and Manassas. Stroad-a-licious big box stores. Yay. Drive north on 270 and Rockville - parts are quant, but the Pike is there - more stroads and big box stores. Go anywhere on the east side of the city outside of the most immediate regions like Hyattsville or Mount Rainer - more stroads and big box stores. Cool.

Also there's an Applebee's on freaking Penn Ave just 4 miles outside the city in the SE. There's another in Largo, 6 miles east. There's another just south of Alexandria about 4.5 miles SW of the city. Yeah, the immediate stuff on the border of the city generally is okay - places like Bethesda, Crystal City, Alexandria, Takoma Park, etc. But go even a couple miles out from that and it's just like any other place in America bud. Big box stores, chain restaurants galore, tons of wide 4-8 lane roads, fast food freakign everywhere.

Bethesda largely deserves whatever food-based scorn people are heaping on D.C.'s suburbs; the good Montgomery County food options are in Rockville, Wheaton, Silver Spring, and parts of Gaithersburg.

Meanwhile, Prince Georges County offers the best West African restaurants in the area, and the one and only Sri Lankan menu in the entire region. and a fuk ton of Afro Cuban fare.

The Fava Pot that millennials pretend they discovered at Union Market? Brought to you by Fairfax County. Bistro Aracosia? Also from Fairfax County!

We could do this all day! Of course, since these superior eateries are NOT BIKABLE, and not adorably packaged into a "district" like the Wharf / Navy Yard / Barracks Row / NoMa, they don't count.

FYI, Fava Pot in Union Market closed months ago because they couldn't hang. Yasmine, on the other hand, is always packed; it was founded by alums of Maydan, a Lebanese restaurant with a Michelin star, also located in the city.

The "all good ethnic food is in the suburbs" take is comically dated at this point. There are certainly some cuisines that are still stronger in the suburbs, but there are also a number of cuisines that are much stronger in the city, and many others where the difference is immaterial. Off the top of my head, I would much sooner have DC's options for Japanese food, for example, or Neapolitan pizza, or Laotian. Coffee and cocktails in most suburbs aren't even remotely competitive with what the city has to offer. Plus, the city offers a diversity of food options that no single suburb can match; they tend to be more specialized in their strengths.

But back to the point; streeteries are very popular. The OP quickly heard responses that most people like them, because most people do. The case that they are costing DC tax revenue is tenuous at best; people eating in restaurants bring in tax revenue. That's why they won't be going anywhere.