Is this how thin people eat?

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Anonymous wrote:Ok but all of the “it’s about your appetite / the size of your stomach” posts are ignoring the fact that the average thin person has trained their body to not want to overeat by…not overeating. And vice versa

I have not 'trained' anything. I have been like this my whole life. It is genetics. I don't see why some people do not get this.

My husband is an identical twin. He and his brother were both rail thin until their late 20s. Now my husband is the thin twin, BIL is the fat twin. Genetics aren't everything.

Is this a common finding in twin obesity studies, or an outlier?

Where the twins live has more of an influence than genes. One lives in Mississippi, one is in Colorado.

Oh. Where’s the study? Which states did they classify as fat and which as thin?

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Anonymous wrote:Ok but all of the “it’s about your appetite / the size of your stomach” posts are ignoring the fact that the average thin person has trained their body to not want to overeat by…not overeating. And vice versa

I have not 'trained' anything. I have been like this my whole life. It is genetics. I don't see why some people do not get this.

My husband is an identical twin. He and his brother were both rail thin until their late 20s. Now my husband is the thin twin, BIL is the fat twin. Genetics aren't everything.

Maybe they are not everything, but they're definitely something.

I wouldn't say genetics aren't something. But both of my parents were obese at my age and I'm not. Environment and lifestyle are key for most people to maintain a healthy weight.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok but all of the “it’s about your appetite / the size of your stomach” posts are ignoring the fact that the average thin person has trained their body to not want to overeat by…not overeating. And vice versa

I have not 'trained' anything. I have been like this my whole life. It is genetics. I don't see why some people do not get this.

My husband is an identical twin. He and his brother were both rail thin until their late 20s. Now my husband is the thin twin, BIL is the fat twin. Genetics aren't everything.

Is this a common finding in twin obesity studies, or an outlier?

Where the twins live has more of an influence than genes. One lives in Mississippi, one is in Colorado.

You're the only one talking about studies. The onus is on you to find it.

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Anonymous wrote:Thin people eat normally, just smaller portions than the average slob

Lol!! This is so not true. All my thin friends restrict calories and drink diet coke/sugar free coffee drinks.

Well one of the biggest sources of calories is sugar-filled drinks, so it's not bad to drink sugar free beverages. Of course water would be healthier but I would rather drink diet Coke than regular Coke.

This is poor advice, as all the recent research shows that consumption of sugar free drinks sweetened by artificial sweeteners actually drives higher consumption of calories overall. This is likely because the brain and gut system is much more complex than we even understand entirely, but certainly the taste of sweet tells the brain calories are being consumed but when no actual energy source hits the gut, it drives the brain to keep consuming to get the energy. So again numerous studies have shown that overall those who consume those types of drinks end up eating more. It is far better for health to learn to consume water or unsweetened tea (green is especially healthful due to the polyphenols etc.) rather than consuming any fizzy or other sweets substitute drinks.

Okay, then why are the thin people drinking diet soda, as noted by the PP?
I don't normally drink soda, but if I had to I would rather drink diet than drink a regular soda full of 39 grams of sugar.

Honestly I usually see fat people drinking soda, regular and diet. Thin people drink water.

Same. Diet Coke and lean cuisine or whatever is marketed towards people who need to diet to lose weight. It irks me that, because I’m thin, people assume I’m on a diet. Far from it. I eat what I want when I want it.

Ah yes, the struggle of being a thin person who eats whatever they want and still remains thin. Our hearts go out to you.

I lost a ton of weight. I did so by lowering my stress level, changing my body composition, quitting alcohol, and eating far better foods. My own firm partners (mostly boomers) make comments all the time, out loud, in public about how I don’t eat. It happened yesterday at lunch. Even after I had two big ass plates because I was hungry and was planning to do ~1 hour @ 200w on one of my bikes. That’s around 700 calories as accurately as you can calculate with a power meter.

So yeah, it is annoying. I’ve stopped responding because people like that are just projecting. I generally eat what I want, just not piles of garbage anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok but all of the “it’s about your appetite / the size of your stomach” posts are ignoring the fact that the average thin person has trained their body to not want to overeat by…not overeating. And vice versa

I have not 'trained' anything. I have been like this my whole life. It is genetics. I don't see why some people do not get this.

Perhaps not intentionally, but you have.

There may be an element of genetics, but the vast majority of weight is about little choices, constantly. Your mind is so accustomed to those choices that you don’t question it; which is great.

OK but what is your point? You say were are 'overlooking' this fact. What is the rub?

That it’s not “just the way your body is”, and that it’s not that some people just have crazy appetites and some don’t. It’s about what your body is accustomed to

I think there are two different kinds of thin people.

The first group are "naturally thin." They can eat the burger and fries, the pizza, the sugary soda, and not gain weight. They just won't. They don't count calories or watch portion control or whatnot because they don't have to. Their metabolism does everything for them. This group is generally less judgmental of the overweight, because they know firsthand that there is not a direct correlation between diet and weight, and that sometimes you're just thin (or fat).

The second group are "mindfully thin." They eat lightly before a restaurant meal, they eat half the burger, they load up half their plate with veggies, etc., because they are not naturally thin, but they have achieved thinness through their efforts. I think actually this group generally is composed of people who aren't naturally overweight, either. They would just be average if they didn't restrict their diet. This group is more judgmental of the overweight, because they feel thinness can be reached through sheer force of will.

I think you are at least partially wrong about the first group. It’s not just metabolism, it’s portion sizes and frequency of meals. It doesn’t take effort to stop eating because they know when they are full and don’t enjoy the feeling of overeating. I bet a lot of those people earring burgers, fries, and pizza are eating significantly fewer calories than their overweight counterparts even if it isn’t intentional.

Disagree, as someone who falls in the first group. I don’t limit portions and almost never skip meals. And PP is right that because I know my own size/shape is pretty clearly not something I control, it’s easy for me to feel sympathy for those who struggle with weight.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok but all of the “it’s about your appetite / the size of your stomach” posts are ignoring the fact that the average thin person has trained their body to not want to overeat by…not overeating. And vice versa

I have not 'trained' anything. I have been like this my whole life. It is genetics. I don't see why some people do not get this.

My husband is an identical twin. He and his brother were both rail thin until their late 20s. Now my husband is the thin twin, BIL is the fat twin. Genetics aren't everything.

Is this a common finding in twin obesity studies, or an outlier?

Where the twins live has more of an influence than genes. One lives in Mississippi, one is in Colorado.

You're the only one talking about studies. The onus is on you to find it.

Here you go: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejm199005243222102

You are wrong, genetics are much more important than environment. "We conclude that genetic influences on body-mass index are substantial, whereas the childhood environment has little or no influence. These findings corroborate and extend the results of earlier studies of twins and adoptees."

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Anonymous wrote:Ok but all of the “it’s about your appetite / the size of your stomach” posts are ignoring the fact that the average thin person has trained their body to not want to overeat by…not overeating. And vice versa

I have not 'trained' anything. I have been like this my whole life. It is genetics. I don't see why some people do not get this.

Perhaps not intentionally, but you have.

There may be an element of genetics, but the vast majority of weight is about little choices, constantly. Your mind is so accustomed to those choices that you don’t question it; which is great.

OK but what is your point? You say were are 'overlooking' this fact. What is the rub?

That it’s not “just the way your body is”, and that it’s not that some people just have crazy appetites and some don’t. It’s about what your body is accustomed to

I think there are two different kinds of thin people.

The first group are "naturally thin." They can eat the burger and fries, the pizza, the sugary soda, and not gain weight. They just won't. They don't count calories or watch portion control or whatnot because they don't have to. Their metabolism does everything for them. This group is generally less judgmental of the overweight, because they know firsthand that there is not a direct correlation between diet and weight, and that sometimes you're just thin (or fat).

The second group are "mindfully thin." They eat lightly before a restaurant meal, they eat half the burger, they load up half their plate with veggies, etc., because they are not naturally thin, but they have achieved thinness through their efforts. I think actually this group generally is composed of people who aren't naturally overweight, either. They would just be average if they didn't restrict their diet. This group is more judgmental of the overweight, because they feel thinness can be reached through sheer force of will.

I think you are at least partially wrong about the first group. It’s not just metabolism, it’s portion sizes and frequency of meals. It doesn’t take effort to stop eating because they know when they are full and don’t enjoy the feeling of overeating. I bet a lot of those people earring burgers, fries, and pizza are eating significantly fewer calories than their overweight counterparts even if it isn’t intentional.

Disagree, as someone who falls in the first group. I don’t limit portions and almost never skip meals. And PP is right that because I know my own size/shape is pretty clearly not something I control, it’s easy for me to feel sympathy for those who struggle with weight.

You've just validated the PP's point. You eat the calories needed to maintain your body weight, and you do it by responding to your hunger cues. I

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Anonymous wrote:Ok but all of the “it’s about your appetite / the size of your stomach” posts are ignoring the fact that the average thin person has trained their body to not want to overeat by…not overeating. And vice versa

I have not 'trained' anything. I have been like this my whole life. It is genetics. I don't see why some people do not get this.

My husband is an identical twin. He and his brother were both rail thin until their late 20s. Now my husband is the thin twin, BIL is the fat twin. Genetics aren't everything.

Maybe they are not everything, but they're definitely something.

I wouldn't say genetics aren't something. But both of my parents were obese at my age and I'm not. Environment and lifestyle are key for most people to maintain a healthy weight.

Yes, and it's easier for some people than others.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok but all of the “it’s about your appetite / the size of your stomach” posts are ignoring the fact that the average thin person has trained their body to not want to overeat by…not overeating. And vice versa

I have not 'trained' anything. I have been like this my whole life. It is genetics. I don't see why some people do not get this.

Perhaps not intentionally, but you have.

There may be an element of genetics, but the vast majority of weight is about little choices, constantly. Your mind is so accustomed to those choices that you don’t question it; which is great.

OK but what is your point? You say were are 'overlooking' this fact. What is the rub?

That it’s not “just the way your body is”, and that it’s not that some people just have crazy appetites and some don’t. It’s about what your body is accustomed to

I think there are two different kinds of thin people.

The first group are "naturally thin." They can eat the burger and fries, the pizza, the sugary soda, and not gain weight. They just won't. They don't count calories or watch portion control or whatnot because they don't have to. Their metabolism does everything for them. This group is generally less judgmental of the overweight, because they know firsthand that there is not a direct correlation between diet and weight, and that sometimes you're just thin (or fat).

The second group are "mindfully thin." They eat lightly before a restaurant meal, they eat half the burger, they load up half their plate with veggies, etc., because they are not naturally thin, but they have achieved thinness through their efforts. I think actually this group generally is composed of people who aren't naturally overweight, either. They would just be average if they didn't restrict their diet. This group is more judgmental of the overweight, because they feel thinness can be reached through sheer force of will.

I think you are at least partially wrong about the first group. It’s not just metabolism, it’s portion sizes and frequency of meals. It doesn’t take effort to stop eating because they know when they are full and don’t enjoy the feeling of overeating. I bet a lot of those people earring burgers, fries, and pizza are eating significantly fewer calories than their overweight counterparts even if it isn’t intentional.

Disagree, as someone who falls in the first group. I don’t limit portions and almost never skip meals. And PP is right that because I know my own size/shape is pretty clearly not something I control, it’s easy for me to feel sympathy for those who struggle with weight.

You've just validated the PP's point. You eat the calories needed to maintain your body weight, and you do it by responding to your hunger cues. I

I maintain an overweight body by ignoring my hunger cues.

If you really think the cause of obesity at population is mass ignoring of hunger cues to overeat, you’re hopelessly out of step with reality.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok but all of the “it’s about your appetite / the size of your stomach” posts are ignoring the fact that the average thin person has trained their body to not want to overeat by…not overeating. And vice versa

I have not 'trained' anything. I have been like this my whole life. It is genetics. I don't see why some people do not get this.

My husband is an identical twin. He and his brother were both rail thin until their late 20s. Now my husband is the thin twin, BIL is the fat twin. Genetics aren't everything.

Is this a common finding in twin obesity studies, or an outlier?

Where the twins live has more of an influence than genes. One lives in Mississippi, one is in Colorado.

You're the only one talking about studies. The onus is on you to find it.

Here you go: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejm199005243222102

You are wrong, genetics are much more important than environment. "We conclude that genetic influences on body-mass index are substantial, whereas the childhood environment has little or no influence. These findings corroborate and extend the results of earlier studies of twins and adoptees."

No you are wrong.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090911072840.htm

https://www.newsmax.com/health/health-news/ob...020/01/09/id/949092/

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Anonymous wrote:Ok but all of the “it’s about your appetite / the size of your stomach” posts are ignoring the fact that the average thin person has trained their body to not want to overeat by…not overeating. And vice versa

I have not 'trained' anything. I have been like this my whole life. It is genetics. I don't see why some people do not get this.

My husband is an identical twin. He and his brother were both rail thin until their late 20s. Now my husband is the thin twin, BIL is the fat twin. Genetics aren't everything.

Huge +1. I can think of many, many sets of adult siblings where the variance is stark and clearly a result of personal choices

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Anonymous wrote:Ok but all of the “it’s about your appetite / the size of your stomach” posts are ignoring the fact that the average thin person has trained their body to not want to overeat by…not overeating. And vice versa

I have not 'trained' anything. I have been like this my whole life. It is genetics. I don't see why some people do not get this.

My husband is an identical twin. He and his brother were both rail thin until their late 20s. Now my husband is the thin twin, BIL is the fat twin. Genetics aren't everything.

Huge +1. I can think of many, many sets of adult siblings where the variance is stark and clearly a result of personal choices

If you found out it was actually hormones and brain chemistry, what would that mean about your worldview for you?

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Anonymous wrote:Ok but all of the “it’s about your appetite / the size of your stomach” posts are ignoring the fact that the average thin person has trained their body to not want to overeat by…not overeating. And vice versa

I have not 'trained' anything. I have been like this my whole life. It is genetics. I don't see why some people do not get this.

Perhaps not intentionally, but you have.

There may be an element of genetics, but the vast majority of weight is about little choices, constantly. Your mind is so accustomed to those choices that you don’t question it; which is great.

OK but what is your point? You say were are 'overlooking' this fact. What is the rub?

That it’s not “just the way your body is”, and that it’s not that some people just have crazy appetites and some don’t. It’s about what your body is accustomed to

I think there are two different kinds of thin people.

The first group are "naturally thin." They can eat the burger and fries, the pizza, the sugary soda, and not gain weight. They just won't. They don't count calories or watch portion control or whatnot because they don't have to. Their metabolism does everything for them. This group is generally less judgmental of the overweight, because they know firsthand that there is not a direct correlation between diet and weight, and that sometimes you're just thin (or fat).

The second group are "mindfully thin." They eat lightly before a restaurant meal, they eat half the burger, they load up half their plate with veggies, etc., because they are not naturally thin, but they have achieved thinness through their efforts. I think actually this group generally is composed of people who aren't naturally overweight, either. They would just be average if they didn't restrict their diet. This group is more judgmental of the overweight, because they feel thinness can be reached through sheer force of will.

I think you are at least partially wrong about the first group. It’s not just metabolism, it’s portion sizes and frequency of meals. It doesn’t take effort to stop eating because they know when they are full and don’t enjoy the feeling of overeating. I bet a lot of those people earring burgers, fries, and pizza are eating significantly fewer calories than their overweight counterparts even if it isn’t intentional.

Disagree, as someone who falls in the first group. I don’t limit portions and almost never skip meals. And PP is right that because I know my own size/shape is pretty clearly not something I control, it’s easy for me to feel sympathy for those who struggle with weight.

You've just validated the PP's point. You eat the calories needed to maintain your body weight, and you do it by responding to your hunger cues. I

I maintain an overweight body by ignoring my hunger cues.

If you really think the cause of obesity at population is mass ignoring of hunger cues to overeat, you’re hopelessly out of step with reality.

Either you've created a strawman or you have poor reading comprehension. That's not what was said at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok but all of the “it’s about your appetite / the size of your stomach” posts are ignoring the fact that the average thin person has trained their body to not want to overeat by…not overeating. And vice versa

I have not 'trained' anything. I have been like this my whole life. It is genetics. I don't see why some people do not get this.

My husband is an identical twin. He and his brother were both rail thin until their late 20s. Now my husband is the thin twin, BIL is the fat twin. Genetics aren't everything.

Is this a common finding in twin obesity studies, or an outlier?

Where the twins live has more of an influence than genes. One lives in Mississippi, one is in Colorado.

You're the only one talking about studies. The onus is on you to find it.

Here you go: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejm199005243222102

You are wrong, genetics are much more important than environment. "We conclude that genetic influences on body-mass index are substantial, whereas the childhood environment has little or no influence. These findings corroborate and extend the results of earlier studies of twins and adoptees."

No you are wrong.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090911072840.htm

https://www.newsmax.com/health/health-news/ob...020/01/09/id/949092/

Are you serious? The study you cited shows that people with that one gene marker are over twice as likely to be obese as the general population

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Anonymous wrote:Ok but all of the “it’s about your appetite / the size of your stomach” posts are ignoring the fact that the average thin person has trained their body to not want to overeat by…not overeating. And vice versa

I have not 'trained' anything. I have been like this my whole life. It is genetics. I don't see why some people do not get this.

My husband is an identical twin. He and his brother were both rail thin until their late 20s. Now my husband is the thin twin, BIL is the fat twin. Genetics aren't everything.

Is this a common finding in twin obesity studies, or an outlier?

Where the twins live has more of an influence than genes. One lives in Mississippi, one is in Colorado.

You're the only one talking about studies. The onus is on you to find it.

Here you go: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejm199005243222102

You are wrong, genetics are much more important than environment. "We conclude that genetic influences on body-mass index are substantial, whereas the childhood environment has little or no influence. These findings corroborate and extend the results of earlier studies of twins and adoptees."

No you are wrong.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090911072840.htm

https://www.newsmax.com/health/health-news/ob...020/01/09/id/949092/

Are you serious? The study you cited shows that people with that one gene marker are over twice as likely to be obese as the general population

The study: "Food Habits Are More Important Than Most Important Obesity Risk Gene"