MCPS Teachers Quitting? Who is replacing them?

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Anonymous wrote:I left last year. I’m even Nationally Board Certified and decided to call it quits. All I ever wanted to be was a teacher and I naively went into this profession thinking I’d change the world. I didn’t even mind working overtime and on weekends because this is my passion. But sadly I learned it’s not worth the low pay and constant harassment from parents, kids, and unsupportive admin. Still miss what it used to be, but the climate and system have changed and it’s become so toxic.

Yep, also NBCT and I'm done after this year. Today while restraining a child, they threatened to bite me and all I could think of was the time off I'd get if he did.

It's time to go.

Last year (and this year), I wished I could get Covid so I'd get 5 days off. I was jealous of my fellow teachers who did. Sad but true.

PP here and you can't believe how many times I tried to will that rapid test to a positive.

Also lmao to the person who told me to educate myself about loan forgiveness. You're wrong

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was wondering how well MCPS was negotiating the teacher shortage.

How many teachers are quitting at your school this year?

What are the qualifications of your student's teachers?

The same people that they replaced. People quit. New teachers are hired. It happens.

Towson University interns are at my school every year in Baltimore City. Every year, we have fewer and fewer interns. This year has been the lowest number of interns in 10+ yrs. Soon we will have mostly alternative certification teachers who basically can teach with zero experience. A recipe for disaster.

And that’s a corporate teacher factory like teach for America

Speaking of Teach for America:
“Facing a sharp drop in applications, Teach For America is expecting its smallest crop of first-year teachers in at least 15 years, new data from the organization shows. The organization expects to place just under 2,000 teachers in schools across the country this coming fall. That’s just two-thirds of the number of first-year teachers TFA placed in schools in fall 2019, and just one-third of the number it sent into the field at its height in 2013.”
https://www.chalkbeat.org/2022/3/8/22966304/teach-for-america-declines-pandemic-teacher-preparation

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid has had a long term sub the entire year so far in physics.
The school has not been able to find anyone

This is going to become a huge problem.

We can’t find teachers at our school willing to take on AP classes. When everybody is already swamped and exhausted, who will agree to piling on that much more work? Strong teachers used to campaign for those classes. Not anymore.

There are currently 7 open physics positions posted. Why would anyone want to be a highly qualified STEM teacher when they can literally make twice the money with less stress in industry? There needs to be pay differentials for hard to fill positions.

Not many industry jobs include a pension that kicks in after 20 something years and guarantees half your pay for life.

It's almost impossible to make it that long in today's public schools. I'm stubborn so I refuse to quit but most of the people I started with no longer teach.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I left last year. I’m even Nationally Board Certified and decided to call it quits. All I ever wanted to be was a teacher and I naively went into this profession thinking I’d change the world. I didn’t even mind working overtime and on weekends because this is my passion. But sadly I learned it’s not worth the low pay and constant harassment from parents, kids, and unsupportive admin. Still miss what it used to be, but the climate and system have changed and it’s become so toxic.

Yep, also NBCT and I'm done after this year. Today while restraining a child, they threatened to bite me and all I could think of was the time off I'd get if he did.

It's time to go.

Last year (and this year), I wished I could get Covid so I'd get 5 days off. I was jealous of my fellow teachers who did. Sad but true.

PP here and you can't believe how many times I tried to will that rapid test to a positive.

Also lmao to the person who told me to educate myself about loan forgiveness. You're wrong

I posted a link to the rules. Teachers work for the government and are eligible for public service loan forgiveness just like any other public servant. If you would rather argue with me than read the rules and get your loans forgiven, that's on you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I left last year. I’m even Nationally Board Certified and decided to call it quits. All I ever wanted to be was a teacher and I naively went into this profession thinking I’d change the world. I didn’t even mind working overtime and on weekends because this is my passion. But sadly I learned it’s not worth the low pay and constant harassment from parents, kids, and unsupportive admin. Still miss what it used to be, but the climate and system have changed and it’s become so toxic.

Yep, also NBCT and I'm done after this year. Today while restraining a child, they threatened to bite me and all I could think of was the time off I'd get if he did.

It's time to go.

Last year (and this year), I wished I could get Covid so I'd get 5 days off. I was jealous of my fellow teachers who did. Sad but true.

PP here and you can't believe how many times I tried to will that rapid test to a positive.

Also lmao to the person who told me to educate myself about loan forgiveness. You're wrong

I posted a link to the rules. Teachers work for the government and are eligible for public service loan forgiveness just like any other public servant. If you would rather argue with me than read the rules and get your loans forgiven, that's on you.

Yep, you know better than me, a teacher who's been doing this and been denied. Ty for your hard work in posting a link

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid has had a long term sub the entire year so far in physics.
The school has not been able to find anyone

This is going to become a huge problem.

We can’t find teachers at our school willing to take on AP classes. When everybody is already swamped and exhausted, who will agree to piling on that much more work? Strong teachers used to campaign for those classes. Not anymore.

There are currently 7 open physics positions posted. Why would anyone want to be a highly qualified STEM teacher when they can literally make twice the money with less stress in industry? There needs to be pay differentials for hard to fill positions.

Not many industry jobs include a pension that kicks in after 20 something years and guarantees half your pay for life.

It's almost impossible to make it that long in today's public schools. I'm stubborn so I refuse to quit but most of the people I started with no longer teach.

You can count me in that number. I lasted 16 grueling years before switching to a private school. The thought of losing my pension at 30 years (not 20 as PP suggested) didn’t stop me at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I left last year. I’m even Nationally Board Certified and decided to call it quits. All I ever wanted to be was a teacher and I naively went into this profession thinking I’d change the world. I didn’t even mind working overtime and on weekends because this is my passion. But sadly I learned it’s not worth the low pay and constant harassment from parents, kids, and unsupportive admin. Still miss what it used to be, but the climate and system have changed and it’s become so toxic.

Yep, also NBCT and I'm done after this year. Today while restraining a child, they threatened to bite me and all I could think of was the time off I'd get if he did.

It's time to go.

Last year (and this year), I wished I could get Covid so I'd get 5 days off. I was jealous of my fellow teachers who did. Sad but true.

Me too! my department had vivid both this year and last year. I got it during the summer. I was jealous when he got it again...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I left last year. I’m even Nationally Board Certified and decided to call it quits. All I ever wanted to be was a teacher and I naively went into this profession thinking I’d change the world. I didn’t even mind working overtime and on weekends because this is my passion. But sadly I learned it’s not worth the low pay and constant harassment from parents, kids, and unsupportive admin. Still miss what it used to be, but the climate and system have changed and it’s become so toxic.

Yep, also NBCT and I'm done after this year. Today while restraining a child, they threatened to bite me and all I could think of was the time off I'd get if he did.

It's time to go.

Last year (and this year), I wished I could get Covid so I'd get 5 days off. I was jealous of my fellow teachers who did. Sad but true.

Me too! my department had vivid both this year and last year. I got it during the summer. I was jealous when he got it again...

I was so glad that Igor covid at the beginning of the school year. I was so dreading going back and got to prolong my ‘vacation’ by a week in bed (with a fever, chills and cough)

[Anonymous]

Not in MCPS, but I'm a teacher who quit. I was extremely successful and every single year my students made about a year and a half worth of growth. I was definitely underpaid, results or not. But, I was so demoralized when I left that it's really difficult to come up with a number that might have gotten me to stay. The entire education system has to change.

And I truly believe that in the next 5-10 years, schools won't be able to remain open. I think it is extremely realistic to imagine parents will be getting robo calls on Sunday nights to learn their school won't be able to open that week because there isn't staff to open safely. I think it's realistic to think that high schools won't be able to offer ANY clubs, sports, AP classes, etc, and that academic classes will have 80-200 kids in them, lecture style. I suspect online learning will be the norm for people who can afford a sahp and internet and everyone else will be screwed. I think buildings are going to close, most of the education programs in universities will close (the ones that haven't already). I think students with special needs won't be getting any services. The system is crumbling and is far worse than any parent I know realizes.

[Anonymous]

Any prospective teacher reading any of the DCUM school forums would run, screaming, into the night!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not in MCPS, but I'm a teacher who quit. I was extremely successful and every single year my students made about a year and a half worth of growth. I was definitely underpaid, results or not. But, I was so demoralized when I left that it's really difficult to come up with a number that might have gotten me to stay. The entire education system has to change.

And I truly believe that in the next 5-10 years, schools won't be able to remain open. I think it is extremely realistic to imagine parents will be getting robo calls on Sunday nights to learn their school won't be able to open that week because there isn't staff to open safely. I think it's realistic to think that high schools won't be able to offer ANY clubs, sports, AP classes, etc, and that academic classes will have 80-200 kids in them, lecture style. I suspect online learning will be the norm for people who can afford a sahp and internet and everyone else will be screwed. I think buildings are going to close, most of the education programs in universities will close (the ones that haven't already). I think students with special needs won't be getting any services. The system is crumbling and is far worse than any parent I know realizes.

I highly doubt all that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid has had a long term sub the entire year so far in physics.
The school has not been able to find anyone

This is going to become a huge problem.

We can’t find teachers at our school willing to take on AP classes. When everybody is already swamped and exhausted, who will agree to piling on that much more work? Strong teachers used to campaign for those classes. Not anymore.

There are currently 7 open physics positions posted. Why would anyone want to be a highly qualified STEM teacher when they can literally make twice the money with less stress in industry? There needs to be pay differentials for hard to fill positions.

Not many industry jobs include a pension that kicks in after 20 something years and guarantees half your pay for life.

It's almost impossible to make it that long in today's public schools. I'm stubborn so I refuse to quit but most of the people I started with no longer teach.

You can count me in that number. I lasted 16 grueling years before switching to a private school. The thought of losing my pension at 30 years (not 20 as PP suggested) didn’t stop me at all.

Yep, I started in my building 8 years ago. Now, out of the 30 certified staff I started with, only 5 remain. 5. In the next 2 years, that number will drop to 1. (the others will retire) And we had a GOOD principal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I left last year. I’m even Nationally Board Certified and decided to call it quits. All I ever wanted to be was a teacher and I naively went into this profession thinking I’d change the world. I didn’t even mind working overtime and on weekends because this is my passion. But sadly I learned it’s not worth the low pay and constant harassment from parents, kids, and unsupportive admin. Still miss what it used to be, but the climate and system have changed and it’s become so toxic.

Yep, also NBCT and I'm done after this year. Today while restraining a child, they threatened to bite me and all I could think of was the time off I'd get if he did.

It's time to go.

Last year (and this year), I wished I could get Covid so I'd get 5 days off. I was jealous of my fellow teachers who did. Sad but true.

PP here and you can't believe how many times I tried to will that rapid test to a positive.

Also lmao to the person who told me to educate myself about loan forgiveness. You're wrong

I posted a link to the rules. Teachers work for the government and are eligible for public service loan forgiveness just like any other public servant. If you would rather argue with me than read the rules and get your loans forgiven, that's on you.

Yep, you know better than me, a teacher who's been doing this and been denied. Ty for your hard work in posting a link

Teachers are eligible for PSLF. I don't know know why you were denied, but I know teachers who got their loans forgiven.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not in MCPS, but I'm a teacher who quit. I was extremely successful and every single year my students made about a year and a half worth of growth. I was definitely underpaid, results or not. But, I was so demoralized when I left that it's really difficult to come up with a number that might have gotten me to stay. The entire education system has to change.

And I truly believe that in the next 5-10 years, schools won't be able to remain open. I think it is extremely realistic to imagine parents will be getting robo calls on Sunday nights to learn their school won't be able to open that week because there isn't staff to open safely. I think it's realistic to think that high schools won't be able to offer ANY clubs, sports, AP classes, etc, and that academic classes will have 80-200 kids in them, lecture style. I suspect online learning will be the norm for people who can afford a sahp and internet and everyone else will be screwed. I think buildings are going to close, most of the education programs in universities will close (the ones that haven't already). I think students with special needs won't be getting any services. The system is crumbling and is far worse than any parent I know realizes.

I highly doubt all that.

I see it as very possible. We’ve been so short staffed this year that twice we’ve had to warehouse classes in the auditorium because we didn’t have enough teachers or subs. High schoolers just sat there on their phones because we couldn’t run classes. This problem is only going to get worse.

No staff = no classes. If we can’t safely have students in classrooms because of low staffing numbers, then what other options do we have?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I left last year. I’m even Nationally Board Certified and decided to call it quits. All I ever wanted to be was a teacher and I naively went into this profession thinking I’d change the world. I didn’t even mind working overtime and on weekends because this is my passion. But sadly I learned it’s not worth the low pay and constant harassment from parents, kids, and unsupportive admin. Still miss what it used to be, but the climate and system have changed and it’s become so toxic.

Yep, also NBCT and I'm done after this year. Today while restraining a child, they threatened to bite me and all I could think of was the time off I'd get if he did.

It's time to go.

Last year (and this year), I wished I could get Covid so I'd get 5 days off. I was jealous of my fellow teachers who did. Sad but true.

PP here and you can't believe how many times I tried to will that rapid test to a positive.

Also lmao to the person who told me to educate myself about loan forgiveness. You're wrong

I posted a link to the rules. Teachers work for the government and are eligible for public service loan forgiveness just like any other public servant. If you would rather argue with me than read the rules and get your loans forgiven, that's on you.

Yep, you know better than me, a teacher who's been doing this and been denied. Ty for your hard work in posting a link

Teachers are eligible for PSLF. I don't know know why you were denied, but I know teachers who got their loans forgiven.

Yes they probably worked at title 1 schools