How often do you think applicants lie about their race?

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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn’t fault anyone who does, that’s just this stupid game.

I would. It's not a game, and lying is unethical.

What’s unethical is admitting people on the basis of race.

I would agree. I also think it’s tragic that this hasn’t ALWAYS been the case.

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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn’t fault anyone who does, that’s just this stupid game.

I would. It's not a game, and lying is unethical.

What’s unethical is admitting people on the basis of race.

+100000

Asking my race and using that in admission is actually a crime.

Agreed. It’s discriminatory.

And what it does is minimize the accomplishments of truly qualified URMs by admitting some not so qualified ones. My friend has a smart, hard-working half Black, half-Asian son. People always assume he got in an Ivy because of his race, but I know the kid and can tell you that he definitely had the stats. That DC always feels defensive about his acceptance.

You don’t get it then. All applicants have the stats. What makes this kid get a yes when other equivalent kids get a no is many times: race/ethnicity. That’s the point. Go read the posts on here about how a very high/perfect stats kid got rejected from a competitive school. Race plays a part and can help “put a thumb on the scale” as was mentioned during the Supreme Court argument.

+100000. I graduated hs 30y ago. The same bs happened then. No one in the top 10 of our class got into harvard, princeton, yale, etc. But guess who did? Someone ranked 25 that was of the correct race. Nothing against as he was qualified but he simply was a higher than average student... but not top 10.

And can you imagine that that someone might have had qualities, experiences, and even stats that you’re not aware of — that mattered more than yet another “top 10” student at your HS?

Being top 10, even from Exeter, isn’t necessarily going to make an application stand out — although if that student is 1st Gen, many would take a second look.

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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn’t fault anyone who does, that’s just this stupid game.

I would. It's not a game, and lying is unethical.

What’s unethical is admitting people on the basis of race.

+100000

Asking my race and using that in admission is actually a crime.

Agreed. It’s discriminatory.

And what it does is minimize the accomplishments of truly qualified URMs by admitting some not so qualified ones. My friend has a smart, hard-working half Black, half-Asian son. People always assume he got in an Ivy because of his race, but I know the kid and can tell you that he definitely had the stats. That DC always feels defensive about his acceptance.

You don’t get it then. All applicants have the stats. What makes this kid get a yes when other equivalent kids get a no is many times: race/ethnicity. That’s the point. Go read the posts on here about how a very high/perfect stats kid got rejected from a competitive school. Race plays a part and can help “put a thumb on the scale” as was mentioned during the Supreme Court argument.

+100000. I graduated hs 30y ago. The same bs happened then. No one in the top 10 of our class got into harvard, princeton, yale, etc. But guess who did? Someone ranked 25 that was of the correct race. Nothing against as he was qualified but he simply was a higher than average student... but not top 10.

And can you imagine that that someone might have had qualities, experiences, and even stats that you’re not aware of — that mattered more than yet another “top 10” student at your HS?

Being top 10, even from Exeter, isn’t necessarily going to make an application stand out — although if that student is 1st Gen, many would take a second look.

Yes i can imagine that. But he was not recognized for his academics nor were his extracurriculars particularly notable. His only notable attribute was he was non white/non asian. Hence he got into multiple top ivy schools vs. the top 10 all went to lesser ivys, duke etc.. very good schools but not top ivys. Hence the "thumb on the scale" comments. If you think giving people a leg up because of race is fine then just say it. Most would not agree

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Look up "hence."

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How do these applicants feel when they lie about who they are and still don't get in? I am SO curious to know.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this why Georgetown asks for a photo?

How would that help? I know someone who is 50% black 10% American Indian and 40% white. They have blonde hair, blue eyes, and fair skin. They would deny this person their URM status? Or require a DNA test?

I think they would deny their status based on the photo.

Unless they want a fight on their hands. They will get sued for discrimination once it is discovered that one of the students' parents are black or Native American. Universities know better than to discriminate against mixed race people especially Native Americans. It doesn't matter what the percentage is or the student's phenotype. Universities don't want to have this fight.

There are too many mixed race and multiracial students in this country. If anything, the mixed race child will be welcome with open arms because that child is a representation of diversity and multiculturalism. Being multiracial is a hook and not a disadvantaged in college admissions. A multiracial student will be used for the university's brochures, promotional videos, prospective student college tours, etc. Not only would they admit the student that student will be place on a pedestal as utilized as a prop.

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I think the fallacy is the assumption that the check box translates into a boost in admissions. It takes a program like Questbridge to get a the boost. The check box is just a formality and does nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the fallacy is the assumption that the check box translates into a boost in admissions. It takes a program like Questbridge to get a the boost. The check box is just a formality and does nothing.

Lol.

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I hear our former president's son plans to check to the incorrect box.

Apparently his father told him orange is the new black.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this why Georgetown asks for a photo?

How would that help? I know someone who is 50% black 10% American Indian and 40% white. They have blonde hair, blue eyes, and fair skin. They would deny this person their URM status? Or require a DNA test?

I think they would deny their status based on the photo.

Unless they want a fight on their hands. They will get sued for discrimination once it is discovered that one of the students' parents are black or Native American. Universities know better than to discriminate against mixed race people especially Native Americans. It doesn't matter what the percentage is or the student's phenotype. Universities don't want to have this fight.

Why would there be a fight? The university will not tell the applicant they were denied because of the photo and they don't believe the student is the race claimed.
They will be rejected and no one will be the wiser.

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Anonymous wrote:I suspect many of the Hispanic check

What do you mean you "suspect"?

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Anonymous wrote:I know someone who whet to a top Ivy and lied that he was Latino. In reality his step father was Latino and he took his last name but he was really a white guy. They lived in a wealthy suburb in south Florida and he had the nerve to give an interview saying how hard it was growing up as a Latino in South Florida. Made no sense on multiple fronts.

How is that really any different than the white kid who claims they are deeply interested in transforming some XYZ social issue, interned at an inner city organization for a number of years, indicates a major with a social justice career goal than immediately embarks on a finance major once into a T10 school?

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Anonymous wrote:I knew a lot of people personally who did. One kid of white South Africans said AA. One half Moroccan kid said AA. Lots of kids who had something like 1/8 heritage in Spain or Portugal said Hispanic.

The Moroccan kid and South African kid ARE African-American. They are not, however, black. If the school wanted to know if they were black, they should have asked that. And the 1/8 heritage kid from Spain IS Hispanic. If the school wanted to know if their ancestry is from Latin America, they should ask that. The person with Portuguese heritage should not be checking off Hispanic as people from Portugal speak Portuguese not Spanish, and are, therefore, not Hispanic.

1/8 Spanish ancestry does not make one Hispanic if they and their parents are a mix of many other non Hispanic ethnic groups and have been living in the US for the past 100 years. No. Do they have a Spanish speaking household? Then no.

According to who???

According to College Board, one must be 1/4 (one hispanic grandparent will accomplish this).

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How does one handle a child adopted into a Hispanic family who does not have Hispanic birth parents? I imagine that the adopted child could e considered Hispanic purely based on his/her upbringing and having parents with Hispanic heritage.

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Anonymous wrote:I knew a lot of people personally who did. One kid of white South Africans said AA. One half Moroccan kid said AA. Lots of kids who had something like 1/8 heritage in Spain or Portugal said Hispanic.

The Moroccan kid and South African kid ARE African-American. They are not, however, black. If the school wanted to know if they were black, they should have asked that. And the 1/8 heritage kid from Spain IS Hispanic. If the school wanted to know if their ancestry is from Latin America, they should ask that. The person with Portuguese heritage should not be checking off Hispanic as people from Portugal speak Portuguese not Spanish, and are, therefore, not Hispanic.

1/8 Spanish ancestry does not make one Hispanic if they and their parents are a mix of many other non Hispanic ethnic groups and have been living in the US for the past 100 years. No. Do they have a Spanish speaking household? Then no.

According to who???

According to College Board, one must be 1/4 (one hispanic grandparent will accomplish this).

Source?