Republicans/“conservatives” who do you support: our American President or Putin?

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Anonymous wrote:Not to take away from the terrible tragedy occurring in Ukraine right now, but one thing that has made me sad watching new of Ukraine is feeling if we were invaded, we would not fight for our country the way Ukrainians are. Half of your country would sit back and try to use it to score internet points against the other side.

If the US were attacked, it would only be by a fascist who knew that Republicans would be collaborators and informants and traitors.

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Anonymous wrote:Not to take away from the terrible tragedy occurring in Ukraine right now, but one thing that has made me sad watching new of Ukraine is feeling if we were invaded, we would not fight for our country the way Ukrainians are. Half of your country would sit back and try to use it to score internet points against the other side.

If the US were attacked, it would only be by a fascist who knew that Republicans would be collaborators and informants and traitors.

I’m a centrist Democrat who could have been fine with voting for Jerry Ford. But I feel as if Trumpie Republicans are now intent on killing me. I feel as if Putin will probably launch a somewhat limited nuclear war against the United States in the next few weeks. The Trumpies will somehow keep the United States from responding in a serious way. They’ll then try to work with the Russians to rule the ruins. They’ll hunt people like me down and kill us, using things like de-anonymized records of our DCUM post histories.

And maybe those things won’t really happen. But, if not, only because Biden does a great job and Russians stick their necks out to stop Putin.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It seems as if they don't "support" Putin but they blame Joe Biden for this. Like they blame him for the Afghanistan withdrawal (that Trump agreed to). Like Putin wasn't always planning to invade Ukraine. He just expected Trump would be POTUS and would give his overlord a "wink wink, nudge nudge, it's fine".

It’s perfectly reasonable to blame Biden for the horribly botched execution of the Afghanistan withdrawal. No one should blame Biden for Ukraine.

The botched Afghanistan withdrawal could not be ANYTHING but emboldening to the world's super-thugs. This is fact.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not to take away from the terrible tragedy occurring in Ukraine right now, but one thing that has made me sad watching new of Ukraine is feeling if we were invaded, we would not fight for our country the way Ukrainians are. Half of your country would sit back and try to use it to score internet points against the other side.

Like everything else during the past few years, this is just highlighting the divide in our own country.

DP. I agree that there is a divide in this country, but if the US were under attack, I would certainly hope everyone would get their act together and fight for this country. However, roughly half of Americans have no idea how to use a gun, so I doubt they'd be any help at all.

My duty as an American is to support the President who embodies American values.

Strength. Power. Decisiveness. Intelligence. Vigor.

That’s not Biden. It was President Trump. It’s now President Putin.

I’m frustrated Biden’s tricks seem to have confused the media. He’s getting a free pass for encouraging civilians to shoot AK-47s and throw Molotov Cocktails. That’s only going to get more Ukrainian civilians AND young Russian soldiers killed.

Sad.

Young Russian soldiers who are attacking a sovereign nation deserve to be killed. Doesn’t the GOP support stand your ground laws? If they don’t want to be killed surrender or go home.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not to take away from the terrible tragedy occurring in Ukraine right now, but one thing that has made me sad watching new of Ukraine is feeling if we were invaded, we would not fight for our country the way Ukrainians are. Half of your country would sit back and try to use it to score internet points against the other side.

Like everything else during the past few years, this is just highlighting the divide in our own country.

DP. I agree that there is a divide in this country, but if the US were under attack, I would certainly hope everyone would get their act together and fight for this country. However, roughly half of Americans have no idea how to use a gun, so I doubt they'd be any help at all.

My duty as an American is to support the President who embodies American values.

Strength. Power. Decisiveness. Intelligence. Vigor.

That’s not Biden. It was President Trump. It’s now President Putin.

I’m frustrated Biden’s tricks seem to have confused the media. He’s getting a free pass for encouraging civilians to shoot AK-47s and throw Molotov Cocktails. That’s only going to get more Ukrainian civilians AND young Russian soldiers killed.

Sad.

Young Russian soldiers who are attacking a sovereign nation deserve to be killed. Doesn’t the GOP support stand your ground laws? If they don’t want to be killed surrender or go home.

Get out of town. They’re soldiers; they’re SUPPOSED to follow orders. Now we can quibble about whether the orders are right, though I agree with President Trump and SoS Pompeo that invading is rational and smart. But once an order is given, you need to follow it. The only exception being if you have a weak leader and you know he isn’t even legitimate. But short of that a soldier just follows orders. He doesn’t need some Grandma whipping out an AK-47 when he tries to help her cross the street.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not to take away from the terrible tragedy occurring in Ukraine right now, but one thing that has made me sad watching new of Ukraine is feeling if we were invaded, we would not fight for our country the way Ukrainians are. Half of your country would sit back and try to use it to score internet points against the other side.

Like everything else during the past few years, this is just highlighting the divide in our own country.

DP. I agree that there is a divide in this country, but if the US were under attack, I would certainly hope everyone would get their act together and fight for this country. However, roughly half of Americans have no idea how to use a gun, so I doubt they'd be any help at all.

My duty as an American is to support the President who embodies American values.

Strength. Power. Decisiveness. Intelligence. Vigor.

That’s not Biden. It was President Trump. It’s now President Putin.

I’m frustrated Biden’s tricks seem to have confused the media. He’s getting a free pass for encouraging civilians to shoot AK-47s and throw Molotov Cocktails. That’s only going to get more Ukrainian civilians AND young Russian soldiers killed.

Sad.

You know which leader I think embodies strength, decisiveness and vigor? Zelensky. There is a leader who is brave and strong. Putin sits in some cushy little hidey-hole, watching others do the real work. Zelensky could have accepted the offers to evacuate him, but instead is on the ground alongside his people fighting for his country and refusing to play into the Russian narrative. If the Russians eventually find and hill him (which they are certainly struggling to do so far), they will make a martyr of him that will only reinvigorate his people against the Russian invaders. He is a bigger and better man than Putin could ever be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not to take away from the terrible tragedy occurring in Ukraine right now, but one thing that has made me sad watching new of Ukraine is feeling if we were invaded, we would not fight for our country the way Ukrainians are. Half of your country would sit back and try to use it to score internet points against the other side.

Like everything else during the past few years, this is just highlighting the divide in our own country.

DP. I agree that there is a divide in this country, but if the US were under attack, I would certainly hope everyone would get their act together and fight for this country. However, roughly half of Americans have no idea how to use a gun, so I doubt they'd be any help at all.

My duty as an American is to support the President who embodies American values.

Strength. Power. Decisiveness. Intelligence. Vigor.

That’s not Biden. It was President Trump. It’s now President Putin.

I’m frustrated Biden’s tricks seem to have confused the media. He’s getting a free pass for encouraging civilians to shoot AK-47s and throw Molotov Cocktails. That’s only going to get more Ukrainian civilians AND young Russian soldiers killed.

Sad.

Young Russian soldiers who are attacking a sovereign nation deserve to be killed. Doesn’t the GOP support stand your ground laws? If they don’t want to be killed surrender or go home.

Get out of town. They’re soldiers; they’re SUPPOSED to follow orders. Now we can quibble about whether the orders are right, though I agree with President Trump and SoS Pompeo that invading is rational and smart. But once an order is given, you need to follow it. The only exception being if you have a weak leader and you know he isn’t even legitimate. But short of that a soldier just follows orders. He doesn’t need some Grandma whipping out an AK-47 when he tries to help her cross the street.

DP. The Russian battalion that surrendered to the Ukrainians thought otherwise.

When you are part of an invading force, you deserve every bit of resistance thrown at you. Even (and especially) by Grandma. If the Russian troops are being victimized here, it is by Putin, not be the Ukrainians.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This has been very illuminating. I didn’t see any Republican response that said they supported Biden over Putin. Simple question simple answer. That tells me how effective the GOP propaganda machine has been. Rather than do good for the people they have demonized and invoked fear for Democrats. Wow. Just wow.

What on earth are you babbling about? You make no sense, you simply want to see what you want to see. You're beyond ridiculous, as are your smug, holier-than-thou posts. Get a grip on yourself.

DP. Can you cite to specific posts where Republicans have expressed support for Biden over Putin?

I’d just like to know what Biden is actually doing before I know what I should be getting behind. I am horrified by what Putin is doing and think we need more than empty sanctions, which Biden imposed while admitting they won’t do much. I can be against Biden and think our own “leadership” is weak as hell. But who knows, maybe something exciting will emanate from Biden’s sunroom in Delaware this weekend!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This has been very illuminating. I didn’t see any Republican response that said they supported Biden over Putin. Simple question simple answer. That tells me how effective the GOP propaganda machine has been. Rather than do good for the people they have demonized and invoked fear for Democrats. Wow. Just wow.

What on earth are you babbling about? You make no sense, you simply want to see what you want to see. You're beyond ridiculous, as are your smug, holier-than-thou posts. Get a grip on yourself.

DP. Can you cite to specific posts where Republicans have expressed support for Biden over Putin?

I’d just like to know what Biden is actually doing before I know what I should be getting behind. I am horrified by what Putin is doing and think we need more than empty sanctions, which Biden imposed while admitting they won’t do much. I can be against Biden and think our own “leadership” is weak as hell. But who knows, maybe something exciting will emanate from Biden’s sunroom in Delaware this weekend!

PP above. Meant to say I can be against PUTIN and still think…

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not to take away from the terrible tragedy occurring in Ukraine right now, but one thing that has made me sad watching new of Ukraine is feeling if we were invaded, we would not fight for our country the way Ukrainians are. Half of your country would sit back and try to use it to score internet points against the other side.

Like everything else during the past few years, this is just highlighting the divide in our own country.

DP. I agree that there is a divide in this country, but if the US were under attack, I would certainly hope everyone would get their act together and fight for this country. However, roughly half of Americans have no idea how to use a gun, so I doubt they'd be any help at all.

My duty as an American is to support the President who embodies American values.

Strength. Power. Decisiveness. Intelligence. Vigor.

That’s not Biden. It was President Trump. It’s now President Putin.

I’m frustrated Biden’s tricks seem to have confused the media. He’s getting a free pass for encouraging civilians to shoot AK-47s and throw Molotov Cocktails. That’s only going to get more Ukrainian civilians AND young Russian soldiers killed.

Sad.

You know which leader I think embodies strength, decisiveness and vigor? Zelensky. There is a leader who is brave and strong. Putin sits in some cushy little hidey-hole, watching others do the real work. Zelensky could have accepted the offers to evacuate him, but instead is on the ground alongside his people fighting for his country and refusing to play into the Russian narrative. If the Russians eventually find and hill him (which they are certainly struggling to do so far), they will make a martyr of him that will only reinvigorate his people against the Russian invaders. He is a bigger and better man than Putin could ever be.

Zelensky is truly impressive and worthy of respect.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The time for divided loyalties and mealy mouth double-speak is over. You need to either actively support our President or you cast your lot with Putin.

Which are you going to pick?

Edge-lording has consequences. This is no longer a joke.

This is such a dumb thread, OP.
We can hold two thoughts at one time. We can believe that Putin is evil and doing horrific things that he should be severely punished for (like an eternity in hell).
We can also believe that Biden has shown himself to be weak and ineffective when it comes to Russian aggression.

I pray daily that our leaders will make decisions that are best for the world. I don't think the US has done what it needs to do to punish Russia and save lives.

Get this straight.... because we criticize our current president does not make us loyal to another country.

It does when you keep repeating baseless accusations. What should Biden do, specifically? Send US troops?

Ok troll. No it doesn’t. Your initial question is baseless. But since you stomped your feet and held your breath like a child, we’ll placate you since that’s what we here in the US do of late, placate entitled little brats.

1) Starting today Russia should be cut off financially and economically. Period. It’s time to find out who in NATO (including a Germany) really puts their money where their mouth is.
2) NATO forces should be deployed immediately to Ukraine if their leader agrees to join NATO. If not, then not.
3) Assuming #2 happens, an offensive on Russian military facilities in western Russia should begin. Putin’s force are now stretched so his backside is open.
4) Massive cyber attacks against Russian systems should begin. Ransomware their entire national system, with the price being Putin’s head.
5) Putin should be targeted for assassination.

Post war we should immediately send in nato forces to dismantle all nuclear weapons from Russia. If you invade other countries you lose your right to have these weapons. Until they install an acceptable form of western government they do not get to have them again. This is called hard ball and it is the only way with bullies. We’ve been too soft for too long. This will also set and example for China and other dictators and despots around the globe. Too much power in too few hands while ignoring and abusing your citizens will no longer be accepted. Unprovoked invasions will no longer be accepted. Harboring terrorists will no longer be accepted. You’ll be cutoff from trade and left to wither and die and if you invade another nation you’ll be swiftly and firmly rebuked.

None of that would be legal. We can’t assassinate a head of state. We have no right to invade Russia and install a new regime. That is literally what Putin is doing. We have laws and a democratic process. None of your suggestions are justified.

This argument is why you’re weak and is why you’re part of the problem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This has been very illuminating. I didn’t see any Republican response that said they supported Biden over Putin. Simple question simple answer. That tells me how effective the GOP propaganda machine has been. Rather than do good for the people they have demonized and invoked fear for Democrats. Wow. Just wow.

What on earth are you babbling about? You make no sense, you simply want to see what you want to see. You're beyond ridiculous, as are your smug, holier-than-thou posts. Get a grip on yourself.

DP. Can you cite to specific posts where Republicans have expressed support for Biden over Putin?

I’d just like to know what Biden is actually doing before I know what I should be getting behind. I am horrified by what Putin is doing and think we need more than empty sanctions, which Biden imposed while admitting they won’t do much. I can be against Biden and think our own “leadership” is weak as hell. But who knows, maybe something exciting will emanate from Biden’s sunroom in Delaware this weekend!

The Europeans stood in the way of meaningful sanctions. Look at the exceptions - Gucci, etc. They also stood in the way of kicking Russia off swift. If Europe gets hurt, its their own fault.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not to take away from the terrible tragedy occurring in Ukraine right now, but one thing that has made me sad watching new of Ukraine is feeling if we were invaded, we would not fight for our country the way Ukrainians are. Half of your country would sit back and try to use it to score internet points against the other side.

Like everything else during the past few years, this is just highlighting the divide in our own country.

DP. I agree that there is a divide in this country, but if the US were under attack, I would certainly hope everyone would get their act together and fight for this country. However, roughly half of Americans have no idea how to use a gun, so I doubt they'd be any help at all.

My duty as an American is to support the President who embodies American values.

Strength. Power. Decisiveness. Intelligence. Vigor.

That’s not Biden. It was President Trump. It’s now President Putin.

I’m frustrated Biden’s tricks seem to have confused the media. He’s getting a free pass for encouraging civilians to shoot AK-47s and throw Molotov Cocktails. That’s only going to get more Ukrainian civilians AND young Russian soldiers killed.

Sad.

You know which leader I think embodies strength, decisiveness and vigor? Zelensky. There is a leader who is brave and strong. Putin sits in some cushy little hidey-hole, watching others do the real work. Zelensky could have accepted the offers to evacuate him, but instead is on the ground alongside his people fighting for his country and refusing to play into the Russian narrative. If the Russians eventually find and hill him (which they are certainly struggling to do so far), they will make a martyr of him that will only reinvigorate his people against the Russian invaders. He is a bigger and better man than Putin could ever be.

Zelensky is truly impressive and worthy of respect.

Compare him to “Cancun” Ted Cruz. Can’t believe they are the same species.

[Anonymous]

For those asking

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This has been very illuminating. I didn’t see any Republican response that said they supported Biden over Putin. Simple question simple answer. That tells me how effective the GOP propaganda machine has been. Rather than do good for the people they have demonized and invoked fear for Democrats. Wow. Just wow.

What on earth are you babbling about? You make no sense, you simply want to see what you want to see. You're beyond ridiculous, as are your smug, holier-than-thou posts. Get a grip on yourself.

DP. Can you cite to specific posts where Republicans have expressed support for Biden over Putin?

I’d just like to know what Biden is actually doing before I know what I should be getting behind. I am horrified by what Putin is doing and think we need more than empty sanctions, which Biden imposed while admitting they won’t do much. I can be against Biden and think our own “leadership” is weak as hell. But who knows, maybe something exciting will emanate from Biden’s sunroom in Delaware this weekend!

I think it’s important to keep in mind that it may not be in Ukraine’s best interest for us to broadcast what we are doing. For instance, if we have found a way to get more defensive weapons into Ukraine from Poland, it would very much be in Ukraine’s interest to keep that quiet so as to not call Russian attention to it.