The PP just told you what they don’t like about woke colleges: students are taught the “right” answers and there is no tolerance for debate. And why are you reading your college kids papers? Weird. Get a life and cut the apron strings. Or more likely by your writing style and logical fallacies you are in college or high school yourself. |
You can laugh but I agree with the PP (and with atheist Richard Dawkins) that countries like the UK and US *are* nations with heavy socially Christian traditions. Obviously it isn’t the officially religion, but even with fewer churchgoers and professed “believers” than there were 30 years ago, it is still a nation based on Christian norms. Also the PP who dismissed concerns as “mad just because the emphasis is no longer on western, capitalist view as a positive”—or something like that…yes, I’d say that’s a pretty huge problem when American society is built on the free market and the liberal free-thinking philosophy of seeking truth and exploring and debating ideas in search of it as pretty much the basis of our shared American values and what we all want to promote in higher education. So yes—when we see that our American institutions of “higher learning” have been ideologically captured by individuals who are pushing an anti-American, anti-capitalist, anti-western dogma onto students and passing it off as enlightenment, it is very concerning. Incidentally, this is not exactly surprising given that ex-KGB agents literally spelled out this exact plan when being interviewed by Phil Donahue in the late 1970s. But I think many boomers and GenXers dismissed that as laughable—and just didn’t buy that they could pull that off HERE on our own soil. It sounded like a crazy conspiracist plot, honestly. Until suddenly it isn’t. |
I'm not religious or a political conservative, but a broken clock is right twice a day. |
Suppose you found a school that taught lit the old fashioned way. Yay? But so what? You going to send your kid there? Even “properly taught” non-woke lit is not worth paying $80k/year for. Better to study it offline for free if that’s what interests your kid. |
OP may want to stick with STEM. |
You know, I looked this up because I was curious. Seems to not be a real class at all. |
Answer these two questions regarding your bolded statement, Comrade: - What is the "proper" teaching of literature, precisely. - Who in academia believes that. Please focus on your word "replace" and provide evidence. Academics write papers for a living so it should not be hard for you. |
Speaking of conspiracist plots, have you looked at what you wrote? |
None of you appear to understand the study of literature. At all.
-- someone with an graduate degree in it |
I don’t understand why OP is saying that things like feminism or Marxism are faddish. These ideologies have been around for hundreds of years if not more … at what point do they stop being a fad? Does OP also think that women wearing pants is a passing fad? Or representative democracy?
I posted above about the podcast talking about the feminist and radical political messages in Canterbury tales. These themes have been in literature forever. And talking about them makes old stuff more relevant to readers of today. I’m a huge Tolstoy fan and studied it in college — even then we talked about tolstory’s really complicated and troublesome attitudes towards women. I don’t see how you can read Tolstoy or Austin or Dickinson without talking about feminism or how you can read dickens or Shakespeare without talking about class politics. |
But in today’s climate you wouldn’t read Shakespeare or Dickens or Tolstoy, because they’re just dead white men. And you most likely wouldn’t read Austin or Dickinson because they’re dead white women. |
DP - More platitudes, Comrade, that advance your agenda but completely avoid PP's informed and reasonable position. Fail. |
The problem isn't talking about women or class. Scholars have been talking about these things long before the woke ideologues came along. What's happening now is very different. The main problem is identity politics where mediocre writers are promoted as literary greats in the name of diversity, and students either avoid the canon altogether or are taught to dismiss it as racist dead white males. |
You keep typing the BS, and when asked for evidence do not provide any. Name a top college that doesn't teach Shakespeare, Chaucer, Dickens, Ibsen, Tolstoy, or the like. None? OK, name a lesser one that doesn't teach those. None AGAIN? Well then maybe your post is bullsh*t, Comrade Snowflake. |
Of course you would. Moron. |