Jk Rowling/Transphobia

[Anonymous]

For posters on this board who care about trans rights, I encourage you to weigh in on the debate going on in the DC Urban Moms entertainment forum. There’s a clear lack of understanding of the trans community and it would help to have some more pro trans voices comment.

[Anonymous]

I've been reading the thread in the entertainment forum. OP, I'm genuinely interested to understand if it is your view that all spaces that are currently designated as "women only" should also be open to trans women? I'm not talking specifically about bathrooms, but taking two examples raised in that thread:

1. A rape crisis center - is it acceptable to insist that only biological, or female-presenting women work directly with victims?

2. The Vagina Monologues - should this now be banned as being offensive to women who do not have vaginas?

[Anonymous]

I'm generally supportive of trans because if it makes you happier to live as the opposite of your birth gender, then go for it.

But I am puzzled at the insistence by activist that trans women have to be considered true biological women (which they are not). Which was JK Rowling's point. A transwoman will never have the body of a biological woman, and this includes periods and menstruation. And I do think people need to be honest about the disadvantages of transwomen competing in women's sports. And that there have been problems with transwomen in women's prisons.

There's clearly a generational divide here. I blame it on the emergence of the idea that everything is a social construct and anyone can be anything they want at all times under all circumstances. The real world, aka biology, doesn't quite work like that and it would be helpful to remember there are limits and to seek a middle ground.

[Anonymous]

I honestly think the “with us or against us” attitude of some trans activists is dividing the LGB from the TQ.

A few years ago it was acceptable to say, for example, a trans woman is a person who is male by sex but female by gender identity. Today that is considered wrong — sex is now a spectrum and we can’t say male/female bodies.

Most people agree trans people to be free from discrimination. But the insistence that we can’t have any distinction at all between trans and cis women — and the fact that women, and especially lesbians, bear the brunt of the vitriol — will be the downfall of this movement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I honestly think the “with us or against us” attitude of some trans activists is dividing the LGB from the TQ.

A few years ago it was acceptable to say, for example, a trans woman is a person who is male by sex but female by gender identity. Today that is considered wrong — sex is now a spectrum and we can’t say male/female bodies.

Most people agree trans people to be free from discrimination. But the insistence that we can’t have any distinction at all between trans and cis women — and the fact that women, and especially lesbians, bear the brunt of the vitriol — will be the downfall of this movement.

Lesbians “face the brunt of vitriol”? How so? Were you personally criticized for your views? Do you think it’s common for other lesbians to think in binary terms?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I honestly think the “with us or against us” attitude of some trans activists is dividing the LGB from the TQ.

A few years ago it was acceptable to say, for example, a trans woman is a person who is male by sex but female by gender identity. Today that is considered wrong — sex is now a spectrum and we can’t say male/female bodies.

Most people agree trans people to be free from discrimination. But the insistence that we can’t have any distinction at all between trans and cis women — and the fact that women, and especially lesbians, bear the brunt of the vitriol — will be the downfall of this movement.

Lesbians “face the brunt of vitriol”? How so? Were you personally criticized for your views? Do you think it’s common for other lesbians to think in binary terms?

Lesbian here, not sure what you mean by thinking in binary terms.
If anything, I believe a lack of distinction between trans and cis women only feeds more into the reinforcement of gender viewed in binary terms.
I have not personally been criticized for my views, but that is probably because I am quiet on social media where I am not anonymous..
I also do not believe that all trans women share an identical opinion about these matters.
I’m personally not worried about being harmed by a trans woman.
What is most concerning about the whole issue is what J. K. Rowling articulated so well: that even questioning some of the ideas put forth my some trans activists is unacceptable and makes one a bigot. I am sure I would be unfriended, if not viciously attacked, if I posted my support of J.K. Rowling on FB. Ironically, it would be by a friend who identifies as asexual. She is a nice person, but I am not sure that someone who does not experience sexual attraction should be the one to tell me I am a bigot if I do not want to be intimate with someone with a penis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm generally supportive of trans because if it makes you happier to live as the opposite of your birth gender, then go for it.

But I am puzzled at the insistence by activist that trans women have to be considered true biological women (which they are not). Which was JK Rowling's point. A transwoman will never have the body of a biological woman, and this includes periods and menstruation. And I do think people need to be honest about the disadvantages of transwomen competing in women's sports. And that there have been problems with transwomen in women's prisons.

There's clearly a generational divide here. I blame it on the emergence of the idea that everything is a social construct and anyone can be anything they want at all times under all circumstances. The real world, aka biology, doesn't quite work like that and it would be helpful to remember there are limits and to seek a middle ground.

This is quite dangerous. I'm aware of a transwoman who sought to have her medical records changed to reflect that she was a post-menopausal women. While that seems innocuous, it is medically untrue and could place her at risk if medical decisions were made based upon those records.

[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I honestly think the “with us or against us” attitude of some trans activists is dividing the LGB from the TQ.

A few years ago it was acceptable to say, for example, a trans woman is a person who is male by sex but female by gender identity. Today that is considered wrong — sex is now a spectrum and we can’t say male/female bodies.

Most people agree trans people to be free from discrimination. But the insistence that we can’t have any distinction at all between trans and cis women — and the fact that women, and especially lesbians, bear the brunt of the vitriol — will be the downfall of this movement.

Lesbians “face the brunt of vitriol”? How so? Were you personally criticized for your views? Do you think it’s common for other lesbians to think in binary terms?

Lesbian here, not sure what you mean by thinking in binary terms.
If anything, I believe a lack of distinction between trans and cis women only feeds more into the reinforcement of gender viewed in binary terms.
I have not personally been criticized for my views, but that is probably because I am quiet on social media where I am not anonymous..
I also do not believe that all trans women share an identical opinion about these matters.
I’m personally not worried about being harmed by a trans woman.
What is most concerning about the whole issue is what J. K. Rowling articulated so well: that even questioning some of the ideas put forth my some trans activists is unacceptable and makes one a bigot. I am sure I would be unfriended, if not viciously attacked, if I posted my support of J.K. Rowling on FB. Ironically, it would be by a friend who identifies as asexual. She is a nice person, but I am not sure that someone who does not experience sexual attraction should be the one to tell me I am a bigot if I do not want to be intimate with someone with a penis.

I could’ve written every word here. I support dignity, safety, and freedom for transfolk. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with ciswomen spaces, though, and as a lesbian I am not going to take any shit about not dating transwomen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm generally supportive of trans because if it makes you happier to live as the opposite of your birth gender, then go for it.

But I am puzzled at the insistence by activist that trans women have to be considered true biological women (which they are not). Which was JK Rowling's point. A transwoman will never have the body of a biological woman, and this includes periods and menstruation. And I do think people need to be honest about the disadvantages of transwomen competing in women's sports. And that there have been problems with transwomen in women's prisons.

There's clearly a generational divide here. I blame it on the emergence of the idea that everything is a social construct and anyone can be anything they want at all times under all circumstances. The real world, aka biology, doesn't quite work like that and it would be helpful to remember there are limits and to seek a middle ground.

This is quite dangerous. I'm aware of a transwoman who sought to have her medical records changed to reflect that she was a post-menopausal women. While that seems innocuous, it is medically untrue and could place her at risk if medical decisions were made based upon those records.

Did she succeed?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've been reading the thread in the entertainment forum. OP, I'm genuinely interested to understand if it is your view that all spaces that are currently designated as "women only" should also be open to trans women? I'm not talking specifically about bathrooms, but taking two examples raised in that thread:

1. A rape crisis center - is it acceptable to insist that only biological, or female-presenting women work directly with victims?

2. The Vagina Monologues - should this now be banned as being offensive to women who do not have vaginas?

It’s disturbing to find out rape crisis centers only employ cis women... wtf?!?

That can’t be true. What about when men and trans get raped.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm generally supportive of trans because if it makes you happier to live as the opposite of your birth gender, then go for it.

But I am puzzled at the insistence by activist that trans women have to be considered true biological women (which they are not). Which was JK Rowling's point. A transwoman will never have the body of a biological woman, and this includes periods and menstruation. And I do think people need to be honest about the disadvantages of transwomen competing in women's sports. And that there have been problems with transwomen in women's prisons.

There's clearly a generational divide here. I blame it on the emergence of the idea that everything is a social construct and anyone can be anything they want at all times under all circumstances. The real world, aka biology, doesn't quite work like that and it would be helpful to remember there are limits and to seek a middle ground.

This is quite dangerous. I'm aware of a transwoman who sought to have her medical records changed to reflect that she was a post-menopausal women. While that seems innocuous, it is medically untrue and could place her at risk if medical decisions were made based upon those records.

Did she succeed?

She did, through a settlement agreement that was likely not vetted by anyone with any medical knowledge.

[Anonymous]

Rowling is a creep

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've been reading the thread in the entertainment forum. OP, I'm genuinely interested to understand if it is your view that all spaces that are currently designated as "women only" should also be open to trans women? I'm not talking specifically about bathrooms, but taking two examples raised in that thread:

1. A rape crisis center - is it acceptable to insist that only biological, or female-presenting women work directly with victims?

2. The Vagina Monologues - should this now be banned as being offensive to women who do not have vaginas?

It’s disturbing to find out rape crisis centers only employ cis women... wtf?!?

That can’t be true. What about when men and trans get raped.

It’s is true and should remain as such. Women, you know real women, need a safe place away from men.
As for men that are raped, they can go to whatever men’s group handles that stuff.
I am sick of men trying to bulldoze into the hard fought places women have worked years to acquire.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've been reading the thread in the entertainment forum. OP, I'm genuinely interested to understand if it is your view that all spaces that are currently designated as "women only" should also be open to trans women? I'm not talking specifically about bathrooms, but taking two examples raised in that thread:

1. A rape crisis center - is it acceptable to insist that only biological, or female-presenting women work directly with victims?

2. The Vagina Monologues - should this now be banned as being offensive to women who do not have vaginas?

It’s disturbing to find out rape crisis centers only employ cis women... wtf?!?

That can’t be true. What about when men and trans get raped.

It’s is true and should remain as such. Women, you know real women, need a safe place away from men.
As for men that are raped, they can go to whatever men’s group handles that stuff.
I am sick of men trying to bulldoze into the hard fought places women have worked years to acquire.

Most Rape Crisis Centers receive federal and state funds, either directly or being housed in government funded hospitals or social service agencies. Many have lost funding for discriminating against trans victims, which is ENTIRELY appropriate.

Cis female victims who want services in a cis-women only environment should go to "whatever women's groups handles that stuff."