2030 Girls Lacrosse

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Projecting US Club Rankings:
Top 5: M&D, MD United
Top 10: Heros green and BLC Blue
Top 20: Coppermine Black
Top 50: YJDMV
Top 100: Next Level, Stars, Legends, CCLax
Top 200: Pride, Integrity, M&D Red, Heros White

Has the VA talent fallen off this much that Pride is not considered a Top 200? Generally Pride’s MS teams were consistently ranked in the Top 20 and just three years ago their HS team was ranked as high as #8. What’s happened?

Admittedly, I don't know a ton about the 2030 team, but Pride 2028s and 2029s are both top 20. 2027s top 25. I would wait until the end of the 22023-24 season before you relegate them into the 5th tier. 6th grade is a developmental turning point for girls lax.

For those mocking the rankings, I get it, it's early to be pointing to a national ranking. The thing that makes them legitimate in my view, however, is it's just math--no subjectivity. Having had a couple of years in the system with an older daughter, there is enough data on comparative performance over time, that the US Club Lax rankings are a reasonably accurate reflection (or predictor) of competitive strength. In short, the on-field results and the eye test are pretty close to the rankings. They help set brackets at tournaments and are better than a wild guess on how to pair or compare teams. There are quirks, like when the Coppermine 2028's beat Eagle Stix for the NGLL Championship and dropped below them in the rankings the next week, and early season lists that don't make sense, but overall, they even out pretty well over the course of a season.

Prides 2028s will lose a good number to other clubs next year as will the 29s in two years. The 2030 was a hot mess and parents jumped ship because they were not willing to stick it out due to mismanagement of the team. A good portion of the top players left and the team sadly will be low because of the mismanagement that happened and won't attract that much talent back. Hence the lower potential ranking. The 2031s are in the same boat as the 2030s.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Projecting US Club Rankings:
Top 5: M&D, MD United
Top 10: Heros green and BLC Blue
Top 20: Coppermine Black
Top 50: YJDMV
Top 100: Next Level, Stars, Legends, CCLax
Top 200: Pride, Integrity, M&D Red, Heros White

Has the VA talent fallen off this much that Pride is not considered a Top 200? Generally Pride’s MS teams were consistently ranked in the Top 20 and just three years ago their HS team was ranked as high as #8. What’s happened?

Admittedly, I don't know a ton about the 2030 team, but Pride 2028s and 2029s are both top 20. 2027s top 25. I would wait until the end of the 22023-24 season before you relegate them into the 5th tier. 6th grade is a developmental turning point for girls lax.

For those mocking the rankings, I get it, it's early to be pointing to a national ranking. The thing that makes them legitimate in my view, however, is it's just math--no subjectivity. Having had a couple of years in the system with an older daughter, there is enough data on comparative performance over time, that the US Club Lax rankings are a reasonably accurate reflection (or predictor) of competitive strength. In short, the on-field results and the eye test are pretty close to the rankings. They help set brackets at tournaments and are better than a wild guess on how to pair or compare teams. There are quirks, like when the Coppermine 2028's beat Eagle Stix for the NGLL Championship and dropped below them in the rankings the next week, and early season lists that don't make sense, but overall, they even out pretty well over the course of a season.

Prides 2028s will lose a good number to other clubs next year as will the 29s in two years. The 2030 was a hot mess and parents jumped ship because they were not willing to stick it out due to mismanagement of the team. A good portion of the top players left and the team sadly will be low because of the mismanagement that happened and won't attract that much talent back. Hence the lower potential ranking. The 2031s are in the same boat as the 2030s.

What does "mismanagement" mean for a 2030 team?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Projecting US Club Rankings:
Top 5: M&D, MD United
Top 10: Heros green and BLC Blue
Top 20: Coppermine Black
Top 50: YJDMV
Top 100: Next Level, Stars, Legends, CCLax
Top 200: Pride, Integrity, M&D Red, Heros White

Has the VA talent fallen off this much that Pride is not considered a Top 200? Generally Pride’s MS teams were consistently ranked in the Top 20 and just three years ago their HS team was ranked as high as #8. What’s happened?

Admittedly, I don't know a ton about the 2030 team, but Pride 2028s and 2029s are both top 20. 2027s top 25. I would wait until the end of the 22023-24 season before you relegate them into the 5th tier. 6th grade is a developmental turning point for girls lax.

For those mocking the rankings, I get it, it's early to be pointing to a national ranking. The thing that makes them legitimate in my view, however, is it's just math--no subjectivity. Having had a couple of years in the system with an older daughter, there is enough data on comparative performance over time, that the US Club Lax rankings are a reasonably accurate reflection (or predictor) of competitive strength. In short, the on-field results and the eye test are pretty close to the rankings. They help set brackets at tournaments and are better than a wild guess on how to pair or compare teams. There are quirks, like when the Coppermine 2028's beat Eagle Stix for the NGLL Championship and dropped below them in the rankings the next week, and early season lists that don't make sense, but overall, they even out pretty well over the course of a season.

Prides 2028s will lose a good number to other clubs next year as will the 29s in two years. The 2030 was a hot mess and parents jumped ship because they were not willing to stick it out due to mismanagement of the team. A good portion of the top players left and the team sadly will be low because of the mismanagement that happened and won't attract that much talent back. Hence the lower potential ranking. The 2031s are in the same boat as the 2030s.

What does "mismanagement" mean for a 2030 team?

Where did the 2030 girls who left Pride end up?

[Anonymous]

Mismanagement probably means parents did not like something that happened and feel like they know best. At this age complaints always seem to be about poor communications. M Club gets u a coach, practice fields, and schedules u in leagues and tournaments. Girls need to show up and play, and it is up to the families to keep the culture of the team going and not complain in front of the girls.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Mismanagement probably means parents did not like something that happened and feel like they know best. At this age complaints always seem to be about poor communications. M Club gets u a coach, practice fields, and schedules u in leagues and tournaments. Girls need to show up and play, and it is up to the families to keep the culture of the team going and not complain in front of the girls.

Wrong. Mismanagement means that there weren't enough 2030 girls who tried out last year to create two full teams but instead of cutting girls, Pride created one huge team. This meant that the talent levels varied greatly and most of the girls weren't served well by this. When you have 30+ girls on a roster, you are going to have girls who are more advanced in skill-level playing with girls who are just beginners. Everyone was unhappy. On top of that, repeated coaching changes did not help matters. And while Pride is often applauded for playing in the toughest brackets, the 2030 team had no business playing in top brackets and was routinely shut out by large margins. The club leadership ignored requests for additional practices and blamed the girls for not working hard enough. No wonder so many girls left...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Mismanagement probably means parents did not like something that happened and feel like they know best. At this age complaints always seem to be about poor communications. M Club gets u a coach, practice fields, and schedules u in leagues and tournaments. Girls need to show up and play, and it is up to the families to keep the culture of the team going and not complain in front of the girls.

Just so I understand you, are you saying travel lax clubs are only obligated to provide those things and nothing more? Sounds like rec level lax to me. If that's all you expect out of your club, you should save your money and stick with rec. I think most people who have their kids try out and play travel is for a higher level of coaching. The irony here is Pride's coaching was basically rec level.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mismanagement probably means parents did not like something that happened and feel like they know best. At this age complaints always seem to be about poor communications. M Club gets u a coach, practice fields, and schedules u in leagues and tournaments. Girls need to show up and play, and it is up to the families to keep the culture of the team going and not complain in front of the girls.

Wrong. Mismanagement means that there weren't enough 2030 girls who tried out last year to create two full teams but instead of cutting girls, Pride created one huge team. This meant that the talent levels varied greatly and most of the girls weren't served well by this. When you have 30+ girls on a roster, you are going to have girls who are more advanced in skill-level playing with girls who are just beginners. Everyone was unhappy. On top of that, repeated coaching changes did not help matters. And while Pride is often applauded for playing in the toughest brackets, the 2030 team had no business playing in top brackets and was routinely shut out by large margins. The club leadership ignored requests for additional practices and blamed the girls for not working hard enough. No wonder so many girls left...

Got it. Sounds like that scenario fits the term.

[Anonymous]

Can anyone explain why it’s so hard to find paid coaches? These club coaches are not volunteers under most circumstances.

[Anonymous]

How much do they get paid?

And I if you were in your 20s, would you give up your weekend to hang in Rising Sun?

I think the answers to those questions would give a good azimuth check on why there aren’t more travel coaches out there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How much do they get paid?

And I if you were in your 20s, would you give up your weekend to hang in Rising Sun?

I think the answers to those questions would give a good azimuth check on why there aren’t more travel coaches out there.

60k/yr in club fees

15k/yr field rental
15k/yr tournament fees

Seems like there should be some money for coaches

[Anonymous]

Think again. Your looking at 1500 to 3000 per season. Its really not a lot.

[Anonymous]

Pride is roughly $3700 per player x 22 players - that gets you $81,400 per team per year. Multiply that by all the teams Pride has….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Pride is roughly $3700 per player x 22 players - that gets you $81,400 per team per year. Multiply that by all the teams Pride has….

If there were no operating costs that would be quite a haul. How much does it cost for coaches, practice field time, tournament fees, league fees, etc.?

[Anonymous]

Field time is 250/hr

Tournaments are 1500-2000 each

[Anonymous]

Typical head coach

$150 practice
$250 weekend tournaments
Hotel good and gas per diem.