How are "No" AAP students chosen for Local IV (ES)

[Anonymous]

My understanding is that local level IV classes are filled with students who either A) were center-eligible but chose not to go, or B) selected somehow by the school. Can anyone elaborate more on that selection process? And given my "no" letter, would it be helpful for me to get the WISC and appeal to get her into center AAP just to decline it later?

Our specific situation:
2nd grader at a McLean-area ES with Local Level IV
"No" letter from FCPS tpday
COGATs in the 90th percentile or so for Math and Verbal but 75% on Non-Verbal
(sorry don't have exact scores)
Don't have GBRS yet either.

She has a very good memory and the level of repetition / review in the classroom is already turning her off to school. Also her reading level this year went from about average to way above so I think the Verbal is way behind at this point. Thus my goal is to get her into local level IV (but NOT the center, we like our local school), or at least level III. Thanks and hopefully this info will be useful to others too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My understanding is that local level IV classes are filled with students who either A) were center-eligible but chose not to go, or B) selected somehow by the school. Can anyone elaborate more on that selection process? And given my "no" letter, would it be helpful for me to get the WISC and appeal to get her into center AAP just to decline it later?

Our specific situation:
2nd grader at a McLean-area ES with Local Level IV
"No" letter from FCPS tpday
COGATs in the 90th percentile or so for Math and Verbal but 75% on Non-Verbal
(sorry don't have exact scores)
Don't have GBRS yet either.

She has a very good memory and the level of repetition / review in the classroom is already turning her off to school. Also her reading level this year went from about average to way above so I think the Verbal is way behind at this point. Thus my goal is to get her into local level IV (but NOT the center, we like our local school), or at least level III. Thanks and hopefully this info will be useful to others too.

Local level iv are center eligible kids who elected not to go. They are not you "b" above, "somehow selected by the school." AAP classes are based on being offered a spot. The WISC could help for AAP placement and if your child got a spot you could elect to stay at the local level. I have to say the cogat is low. You didn't mention the NNAT so perhaps that was high?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My understanding is that local level IV classes are filled with students who either A) were center-eligible but chose not to go, or B) selected somehow by the school. Can anyone elaborate more on that selection process? And given my "no" letter, would it be helpful for me to get the WISC and appeal to get her into center AAP just to decline it later?

Our specific situation:
2nd grader at a McLean-area ES with Local Level IV
"No" letter from FCPS tpday
COGATs in the 90th percentile or so for Math and Verbal but 75% on Non-Verbal
(sorry don't have exact scores)
Don't have GBRS yet either.

She has a very good memory and the level of repetition / review in the classroom is already turning her off to school. Also her reading level this year went from about average to way above so I think the Verbal is way behind at this point. Thus my goal is to get her into local level IV (but NOT the center, we like our local school), or at least level III. Thanks and hopefully this info will be useful to others too.

Local level iv are center eligible kids who elected not to go. They are not you "b" above, "somehow selected by the school." AAP classes are based on being offered a spot. The WISC could help for AAP placement and if your child got a spot you could elect to stay at the local level. I have to say the cogat is low. You didn't mention the NNAT so perhaps that was high?

Not true. Our DC has been in his AAP program with both center eligible students and non at local IV school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My understanding is that local level IV classes are filled with students who either A) were center-eligible but chose not to go, or B) selected somehow by the school. Can anyone elaborate more on that selection process? And given my "no" letter, would it be helpful for me to get the WISC and appeal to get her into center AAP just to decline it later?

They are not you "b" above, "somehow selected by the school." AAP classes are based on being offered a spot. The WISC could help for AAP placement and if your child got a spot you could elect to stay at the local level. I have to say the cogat is low. You didn't mention the NNAT so perhaps that was high?

At our LLIV not all of the kids are center eligible. Some of the children are "principal placed". I would arrange a meeting with your principal and/or AART and discuss how the spaces are filled for your school and if your daughter is eligible. If the indicate that she is likely to be principal placed, I would skip the appeal if you are not planning on trying to send her to the center.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My understanding is that local level IV classes are filled with students who either A) were center-eligible but chose not to go, or B) selected somehow by the school. Can anyone elaborate more on that selection process? And given my "no" letter, would it be helpful for me to get the WISC and appeal to get her into center AAP just to decline it later?

Our specific situation:
2nd grader at a McLean-area ES with Local Level IV
"No" letter from FCPS tpday
COGATs in the 90th percentile or so for Math and Verbal but 75% on Non-Verbal
(sorry don't have exact scores)
Don't have GBRS yet either.

She has a very good memory and the level of repetition / review in the classroom is already turning her off to school. Also her reading level this year went from about average to way above so I think the Verbal is way behind at this point. Thus my goal is to get her into local level IV (but NOT the center, we like our local school), or at least level III. Thanks and hopefully this info will be useful to others too.

Local level iv are center eligible kids who elected not to go. They are not you "b" above, "somehow selected by the school." AAP classes are based on being offered a spot. The WISC could help for AAP placement and if your child got a spot you could elect to stay at the local level. I have to say the cogat is low. You didn't mention the NNAT so perhaps that was high?

Not true. Our DC has been in his AAP program with both center eligible students and non at local IV school.

Your son has full time kids in his AAP class who were not accepted I to AAP?

[Anonymous]

The scores need to be in the top 2%. That is the 98% or higher or super high GBRS and Scores that are around the 98%. At the 90% and 75% you would not want your child in level 4 unless it was strongly recommended by the School. They basically skip 3rd grade math... If you have the $ get the WISC "They say" it still needs to be 132+ (still top 2 %). You should talk to your school about level 2 or 3. Schools may fill local level 4 with level 3 students simply to fill seats.

[Anonymous]

1st grade NNAT 132+ or a comp score of 132 + on the 2nd grade CogAT. If test scores were not high enough you could have parent referred by February 2015 ( test scores and GBRS still need to be high).

[Anonymous]

At our McLean elementary school, all AAP kids are placed in the Level IV class. To fill the remaining seats, every student in the grade takes a placement ecart test each quarter and the students that score the highest for each subject fill in the rest of the seats for the class. Students move in or out of the class every quarter based on these tests, so it's great for a Gen Ed kid who is really good in 1 or 2 subjects, but not all 4. Also, if someone improves during the year, they also have a good chance to move into the Level IV class since there is movement 3 times a year (not counting first time placement at the beginning of each year). It's a great system I think.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My understanding is that local level IV classes are filled with students who either A) were center-eligible but chose not to go, or B) selected somehow by the school. Can anyone elaborate more on that selection process? And given my "no" letter, would it be helpful for me to get the WISC and appeal to get her into center AAP just to decline it later?

Our specific situation:
2nd grader at a McLean-area ES with Local Level IV
"No" letter from FCPS tpday
COGATs in the 90th percentile or so for Math and Verbal but 75% on Non-Verbal
(sorry don't have exact scores)
Don't have GBRS yet either.

She has a very good memory and the level of repetition / review in the classroom is already turning her off to school. Also her reading level this year went from about average to way above so I think the Verbal is way behind at this point. Thus my goal is to get her into local level IV (but NOT the center, we like our local school), or at least level III. Thanks and hopefully this info will be useful to others too.

Local level iv are center eligible kids who elected not to go. They are not you "b" above, "somehow selected by the school." AAP classes are based on being offered a spot. The WISC could help for AAP placement and if your child got a spot you could elect to stay at the local level. I have to say the cogat is low. You didn't mention the NNAT so perhaps that was high?

Not true. Our DC has been in his AAP program with both center eligible students and non at local IV school.

Your son has full time kids in his AAP class who were not accepted I to AAP?

Correct. As the next poster states, this is to fill the seats. With that said, we could not be happier for having decided to stay at the local IV school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:1st grade NNAT 132+ or a comp score of 132 + on the 2nd grade CogAT. If test scores were not high enough you could have parent referred by February 2015 ( test scores and GBRS still need to be high).

Your child would have had to get a score of 132 on either test or you needed to have parent referred to the AAP to have received a letter of acceptance or denial today.

[Anonymous]

At the beginning of the year (first couple of days), a few extra kids from the base part of the center school were moved into the AAP classrooms in the center. The principal seems to have the ability to "fill out the class" with kids who might fit in. It was only like 2 kids added in my son's AAP class. I think there were others added to other AAP classrooms. They were definitely from the base part of the school.

[Anonymous]

At our LLIV program school, there are students who elected not to leave to go to the center, and there are also (quite a few) students who are "principal placed" based on prior year teachers recommendations. The principal goes to the teachers and asks for recommendations and then decides who he/she thinks is a good fit. These are students who just missed being in the pool, or students whom their prior year teacher feels would thrive in the program.

They stay in the class for the entire year, but are never guaranteed a spot from year to year. Many of those students are parent referred as a result. Many get in Level IV, some don't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At our LLIV program school, there are students who elected not to leave to go to the center, and there are also (quite a few) students who are "principal placed" based on prior year teachers recommendations. The principal goes to the teachers and asks for recommendations and then decides who he/she thinks is a good fit. These are students who just missed being in the pool, or students whom their prior year teacher feels would thrive in the program.

They stay in the class for the entire year, but are never guaranteed a spot from year to year. Many of those students are parent referred as a result. Many get in Level IV, some don't.

Parents are notified and asked to give their permission over the summer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At our McLean elementary school, all AAP kids are placed in the Level IV class. To fill the remaining seats, every student in the grade takes a placement ecart test each quarter and the students that score the highest for each subject fill in the rest of the seats for the class. Students move in or out of the class every quarter based on these tests, so it's great for a Gen Ed kid who is really good in 1 or 2 subjects, but not all 4. Also, if someone improves during the year, they also have a good chance to move into the Level IV class since there is movement 3 times a year (not counting first time placement at the beginning of each year). It's a great system I think.

That has to be the worst, most developmentally inappropriate system I've ever heard of.

Why do people allow their kids to be treated the way that FCPS treats kids?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At our McLean elementary school, all AAP kids are placed in the Level IV class. To fill the remaining seats, every student in the grade takes a placement ecart test each quarter and the students that score the highest for each subject fill in the rest of the seats for the class. Students move in or out of the class every quarter based on these tests, so it's great for a Gen Ed kid who is really good in 1 or 2 subjects, but not all 4. Also, if someone improves during the year, they also have a good chance to move into the Level IV class since there is movement 3 times a year (not counting first time placement at the beginning of each year). It's a great system I think.

That has to be the worst, most developmentally inappropriate system I've ever heard of.

Why do people allow their kids to be treated the way that FCPS treats kids?

I'm not sure why you think it's inappropriate. It's a pretty fair system without parent referral pushing or principal favoritism. There are several levels of each subject in a grade, so they are able to differentiate better with the kids. If you really know a subject they are about to cover, you move into a more in depth classroom for that quarter. If you don't know the subject well, you're in a classroom to learn the basics with other similarly situated kids. No one, including the kids, thinks anything of moving classrooms as they switch for each subject anyway. Isn't the point to give the students the best situation to learn at their pace?