DCI didn't offer any non-preference seats for 6th grade Chinese or Spanish - What gives?

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Anonymous wrote:I would say DCI is becoming the Deal middle school EOTP although it’s not part of DCPS.

It has a critical mass of grade level and above grade level kids. It’s a big enough school but not too big, with the plus that it doesn’t have the overcrowding issue like Deal. It has great facilities, and a large offering of sports, clubs, and extracurriculars like Deal. It has an IB curriculum like Deal.

Your choices for middle schools EOTP are DCI, Latin, and Basis. We toured Latin and Basis and the facilities are sadly lacking and so are the sports, clubs, and extracurriculars. We are not even going to play the lottery for Latin or Basis although we have a high performing kid. I’m sure many feeder families like us have made similar decisions.

Of the 3 middle schools above, DCI is most similar to your typical suburban middle school with good academics, facilities, sports, and extracurriculars. We had that experience, and it’s what we want for our DS.

DCI has passed the point now where they have buy in from middle and UMC families. And as the overwhelming majority of families track to DCI, the cohort of kids will become stronger and stronger, because the cohort coming up the feeder schools are stronger than what they were just 3 or 5 years ago.

Non-feeder kids won’t have any chance.

Hello Booster. Do you mean that the Spanish feeders will be allowed to consume the extra French seats?

I’m not a booster. What above is not true about my post? We looked hard at Latin and Basis and passed.

As to your question, I don’t know. But what is stopping the school from doing that when the expansion years hit.

I was under the impression that they have to offer some non-feeder seats per their charter agreement. But you seem to be awfully positive about it-- funny because Mundo continues to be a mess, Stokes continues to lag academically, and Latin and BASIS continue to appeal to feeder families within my social circle.

Thank you for sharing your anecdata. But Let’s talk about data.

These data show that kids from the feeders are going to DCI:

Here's 5th grade enrollment audit data from this year-- it's from October so it's unclear that all of those kids were still attending their school at lottery time.

YY-52, looks like all kids matched with DCI.
Stokes has 43 kids total, not broken down between Spanish and French. A total of 35 Stokes 5th graders matched at DCI, so that's 8 unaccounted for.
DCB, 47 5th graders. Yet only 43 seats at DCI were offered, I wonder why.
LAMB, 49 5th graders, only 46 seats offered at DCI, wonder why.
Mundo, 68 5th graders. Only 66 DCI seats were offered.


These data show how many kids are in each feeder: https://osse.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/osse/page_content/attachments/Audit.xlsx

The two DCI feeders that you mentioned have around 1250+ students total. A lot of families are choosing DCI feeders + DCI, no mater what your “social circle” tells you.

I take it you’re not the same booster as the “anyone would take those odds because families leave and open up more spaces for meeee”

No, I am a DP, I am sorry to disappoint you. I am just someone that loves data.

Lol of course you’re not. Sorry the sarcasm didn’t convey.

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My kid is an 8th grader at DCI and there was one new kid this year that she knew of, and the kid is in Beginning French. So, I think that this is the only way into DCI these days-- be open to learning French.

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Anonymous wrote:I would say DCI is becoming the Deal middle school EOTP although it’s not part of DCPS.

It has a critical mass of grade level and above grade level kids. It’s a big enough school but not too big, with the plus that it doesn’t have the overcrowding issue like Deal. It has great facilities, and a large offering of sports, clubs, and extracurriculars like Deal. It has an IB curriculum like Deal.

Your choices for middle schools EOTP are DCI, Latin, and Basis. We toured Latin and Basis and the facilities are sadly lacking and so are the sports, clubs, and extracurriculars. We are not even going to play the lottery for Latin or Basis although we have a high performing kid. I’m sure many feeder families like us have made similar decisions.

Of the 3 middle schools above, DCI is most similar to your typical suburban middle school with good academics, facilities, sports, and extracurriculars. We had that experience, and it’s what we want for our DS.

DCI has passed the point now where they have buy in from middle and UMC families. And as the overwhelming majority of families track to DCI, the cohort of kids will become stronger and stronger, because the cohort coming up the feeder schools are stronger than what they were just 3 or 5 years ago.

Non-feeder kids won’t have any chance.

Hello Booster. Do you mean that the Spanish feeders will be allowed to consume the extra French seats?

I’m not a booster. What above is not true about my post? We looked hard at Latin and Basis and passed.

As to your question, I don’t know. But what is stopping the school from doing that when the expansion years hit.

I was under the impression that they have to offer some non-feeder seats per their charter agreement. But you seem to be awfully positive about it-- funny because Mundo continues to be a mess, Stokes continues to lag academically, and Latin and BASIS continue to appeal to feeder families within my social circle.

Thank you for sharing your anecdata. But Let’s talk about data.

These data show that kids from the feeders are going to DCI:

Here's 5th grade enrollment audit data from this year-- it's from October so it's unclear that all of those kids were still attending their school at lottery time.

YY-52, looks like all kids matched with DCI.
Stokes has 43 kids total, not broken down between Spanish and French. A total of 35 Stokes 5th graders matched at DCI, so that's 8 unaccounted for.
DCB, 47 5th graders. Yet only 43 seats at DCI were offered, I wonder why.
LAMB, 49 5th graders, only 46 seats offered at DCI, wonder why.
Mundo, 68 5th graders. Only 66 DCI seats were offered.


These data show how many kids are in each feeder: https://osse.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/osse/page_content/attachments/Audit.xlsx

The two DCI feeders that you mentioned have around 1250+ students total. A lot of families are choosing DCI feeders + DCI, no mater what your “social circle” tells you.

I take it you’re not the same booster as the “anyone would take those odds because families leave and open up more spaces for meeee”

No, I am a DP, I am sorry to disappoint you. I am just someone that loves data.

Lol of course you’re not. Sorry the sarcasm didn’t convey.

As you can see from the audit data a lot of families are taking those odds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would say DCI is becoming the Deal middle school EOTP although it’s not part of DCPS.

It has a critical mass of grade level and above grade level kids. It’s a big enough school but not too big, with the plus that it doesn’t have the overcrowding issue like Deal. It has great facilities, and a large offering of sports, clubs, and extracurriculars like Deal. It has an IB curriculum like Deal.

Your choices for middle schools EOTP are DCI, Latin, and Basis. We toured Latin and Basis and the facilities are sadly lacking and so are the sports, clubs, and extracurriculars. We are not even going to play the lottery for Latin or Basis although we have a high performing kid. I’m sure many feeder families like us have made similar decisions.

Of the 3 middle schools above, DCI is most similar to your typical suburban middle school with good academics, facilities, sports, and extracurriculars. We had that experience, and it’s what we want for our DS.

DCI has passed the point now where they have buy in from middle and UMC families. And as the overwhelming majority of families track to DCI, the cohort of kids will become stronger and stronger, because the cohort coming up the feeder schools are stronger than what they were just 3 or 5 years ago.

Non-feeder kids won’t have any chance.

Hello Booster. Do you mean that the Spanish feeders will be allowed to consume the extra French seats?

I’m not a booster. What above is not true about my post? We looked hard at Latin and Basis and passed.

As to your question, I don’t know. But what is stopping the school from doing that when the expansion years hit.

I was under the impression that they have to offer some non-feeder seats per their charter agreement. But you seem to be awfully positive about it-- funny because Mundo continues to be a mess, Stokes continues to lag academically, and Latin and BASIS continue to appeal to feeder families within my social circle.

Thank you for sharing your anecdata. But Let’s talk about data.

These data show that kids from the feeders are going to DCI:

Here's 5th grade enrollment audit data from this year-- it's from October so it's unclear that all of those kids were still attending their school at lottery time.

YY-52, looks like all kids matched with DCI.
Stokes has 43 kids total, not broken down between Spanish and French. A total of 35 Stokes 5th graders matched at DCI, so that's 8 unaccounted for.
DCB, 47 5th graders. Yet only 43 seats at DCI were offered, I wonder why.
LAMB, 49 5th graders, only 46 seats offered at DCI, wonder why.
Mundo, 68 5th graders. Only 66 DCI seats were offered.


These data show how many kids are in each feeder: https://osse.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/osse/page_content/attachments/Audit.xlsx

The two DCI feeders that you mentioned have around 1250+ students total. A lot of families are choosing DCI feeders + DCI, no mater what your “social circle” tells you.

I take it you’re not the same booster as the “anyone would take those odds because families leave and open up more spaces for meeee”

No, I am a DP, I am sorry to disappoint you. I am just someone that loves data.

Lol of course you’re not. Sorry the sarcasm didn’t convey.

As you can see from the audit data a lot of families are taking those odds.

Yes that’s exactly the point. Sorry though, something has gotten lost in translation and it’s probably best not to keep going in circles on this point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kid is an 8th grader at DCI and there was one new kid this year that she knew of, and the kid is in Beginning French. So, I think that this is the only way into DCI these days-- be open to learning French.

For now, until the first expansion class hits sixth.

[Anonymous]

lots of middle schools in high demand have no seat. Or oyster 5th grade zero seats available but 75 of us are on the waitlist. It would helpful if prior to lottery schools publiczed their anticipated available seats.
DCI is great for the lucky few who get their 5 year old into a feeder. the rest of us stuck in DCPS bilingual only have macrfarland, which is not happening.

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Anonymous wrote:lots of middle schools in high demand have no seat. Or oyster 5th grade zero seats available but 75 of us are on the waitlist. It would helpful if prior to lottery schools publiczed their anticipated available seats.
DCI is great for the lucky few who get their 5 year old into a feeder. the rest of us stuck in DCPS bilingual only have macrfarland, which is not happening.

You can absolutely get into Mundo, Stokes Spanish or DCB in 5th.

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Anonymous wrote:lots of middle schools in high demand have no seat. Or oyster 5th grade zero seats available but 75 of us are on the waitlist. It would helpful if prior to lottery schools publiczed their anticipated available seats.
DCI is great for the lucky few who get their 5 year old into a feeder. the rest of us stuck in DCPS bilingual only have macrfarland, which is not happening.

You keep posting this, but you’re not actually stuck, you’re just making choices. There is also CHEC, which I assume is also not happening for you. Or you could have lotteried into Stokes EE (for a year, then transferred to Brookland) or MV P St in fourth or fifth grade. Or you could have switched to Stokes French last year. If your child has 6+ years of Spanish, they could have handled it. It’s still not too late to add yourself to the fifth grade MV waitlist and get yourself a guaranteed DCI seat. If you’re not willing to do that, you can’t then complain that Adams doesn’t have OOB seats for every DCPS bilingual kid in the city.

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Ok, so there's data on where people live and where they go to school. https://dme.dc.gov/page/sy2020-21-public-school-enrollments-dcps-boundary

I can see from this, for example, that of the 6th-8th grade students living IB for Deal, 81 attend DCI and 24 attend Oyster. DCI has 59 students who are zoned for JR ("Wilson" in this data set).

I can see that 10 students zoned for Bancroft attend Mundo-P St. And 12 zoned for Lafayette. LAMB has 12 students zoned for Bancroft. And these are just the schools that are sending 10 or more students.

So it absolutely is the case that some people do have a choice of more than one good middle school, and we don't really know from the data whether they're choosing Deal or Hardy over DCI. But the choice is there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ok, so there's data on where people live and where they go to school. https://dme.dc.gov/page/sy2020-21-public-school-enrollments-dcps-boundary

I can see from this, for example, that of the 6th-8th grade students living IB for Deal, 81 attend DCI and 24 attend Oyster. DCI has 59 students who are zoned for JR ("Wilson" in this data set).

I can see that 10 students zoned for Bancroft attend Mundo-P St. And 12 zoned for Lafayette. LAMB has 12 students zoned for Bancroft. And these are just the schools that are sending 10 or more students.

So it absolutely is the case that some people do have a choice of more than one good middle school, and we don't really know from the data whether they're choosing Deal or Hardy over DCI. But the choice is there.

Independent of this discussion, the data you linked to is fascinating.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, so there's data on where people live and where they go to school. https://dme.dc.gov/page/sy2020-21-public-school-enrollments-dcps-boundary

I can see from this, for example, that of the 6th-8th grade students living IB for Deal, 81 attend DCI and 24 attend Oyster. DCI has 59 students who are zoned for JR ("Wilson" in this data set).

I can see that 10 students zoned for Bancroft attend Mundo-P St. And 12 zoned for Lafayette. LAMB has 12 students zoned for Bancroft. And these are just the schools that are sending 10 or more students.

So it absolutely is the case that some people do have a choice of more than one good middle school, and we don't really know from the data whether they're choosing Deal or Hardy over DCI. But the choice is there.

Independent of this discussion, the data you linked to is fascinating.

I know, I love it. I wish there were data on where students go when they change from one school to another, though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ok, so there's data on where people live and where they go to school. https://dme.dc.gov/page/sy2020-21-public-school-enrollments-dcps-boundary

I can see from this, for example, that of the 6th-8th grade students living IB for Deal, 81 attend DCI and 24 attend Oyster. DCI has 59 students who are zoned for JR ("Wilson" in this data set).

I can see that 10 students zoned for Bancroft attend Mundo-P St. And 12 zoned for Lafayette. LAMB has 12 students zoned for Bancroft. And these are just the schools that are sending 10 or more students.

So it absolutely is the case that some people do have a choice of more than one good middle school, and we don't really know from the data whether they're choosing Deal or Hardy over DCI. But the choice is there.

+1. People with good middle school options are choosing DCI and staying at DCI.

But I suspect OP, like many families, don’t have a good middle school option and hoping to get lucky in the lottery to get in as a non-feeder. That luck is going to diminish each and every year and the odds will be lower and lower as more feeder families track to DCI and more non-feeder families who get a spot take it .

This trend has been obvious the past few years. The school has been on an upward trajectory. If that surprises you, then you obviously have not been paying attention.

Also each year the number of families scrambling for middle school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok, so there's data on where people live and where they go to school. https://dme.dc.gov/page/sy2020-21-public-school-enrollments-dcps-boundary

I can see from this, for example, that of the 6th-8th grade students living IB for Deal, 81 attend DCI and 24 attend Oyster. DCI has 59 students who are zoned for JR ("Wilson" in this data set).

I can see that 10 students zoned for Bancroft attend Mundo-P St. And 12 zoned for Lafayette. LAMB has 12 students zoned for Bancroft. And these are just the schools that are sending 10 or more students.

So it absolutely is the case that some people do have a choice of more than one good middle school, and we don't really know from the data whether they're choosing Deal or Hardy over DCI. But the choice is there.

+1. People with good middle school options are choosing DCI and staying at DCI.

But I suspect OP, like many families, don’t have a good middle school option and hoping to get lucky in the lottery to get in as a non-feeder. That luck is going to diminish each and every year and the odds will be lower and lower as more feeder families track to DCI and more non-feeder families who get a spot take it .

This trend has been obvious the past few years. The school has been on an upward trajectory. If that surprises you, then you obviously have not been paying attention.

Also each year the number of families scrambling for middle school

Sent too soon. Each year the number of families scrambling for middle school spots increases so not only are your odds of getting a seat at DCI decreases due to feeder families taking spots but also due to the increase competition against more non-feeder families.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, so there's data on where people live and where they go to school. https://dme.dc.gov/page/sy2020-21-public-school-enrollments-dcps-boundary

I can see from this, for example, that of the 6th-8th grade students living IB for Deal, 81 attend DCI and 24 attend Oyster. DCI has 59 students who are zoned for JR ("Wilson" in this data set).

I can see that 10 students zoned for Bancroft attend Mundo-P St. And 12 zoned for Lafayette. LAMB has 12 students zoned for Bancroft. And these are just the schools that are sending 10 or more students.

So it absolutely is the case that some people do have a choice of more than one good middle school, and we don't really know from the data whether they're choosing Deal or Hardy over DCI. But the choice is there.

+1. People with good middle school options are choosing DCI and staying at DCI.

But I suspect OP, like many families, don’t have a good middle school option and hoping to get lucky in the lottery to get in as a non-feeder. That luck is going to diminish each and every year and the odds will be lower and lower as more feeder families track to DCI and more non-feeder families who get a spot take it .

This trend has been obvious the past few years. The school has been on an upward trajectory. If that surprises you, then you obviously have not been paying attention.

Also each year the number of families scrambling for middle school

I agree, the trend is for less non-feeder spots. However, the data doesn't tell us how many students gradate 5th at a DCI feeder and then *don't* attend DCI. That would be interesting to know. And I'm also not very clear (maybe someone else knows) on how many feeder spots end up not existing because the feeder didn't have a full 5th grade class. I.e. if someone leaves Mundo at 5th for whatever reason, and Mundo doesn't fill the spot so their 5th grade class doesn't consume their allotment of DCI seats even if everyone matriculates to DCI, do those un-used spots become available to other feeders, or are they non-feeder spots?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok, so there's data on where people live and where they go to school. https://dme.dc.gov/page/sy2020-21-public-school-enrollments-dcps-boundary

I can see from this, for example, that of the 6th-8th grade students living IB for Deal, 81 attend DCI and 24 attend Oyster. DCI has 59 students who are zoned for JR ("Wilson" in this data set).

I can see that 10 students zoned for Bancroft attend Mundo-P St. And 12 zoned for Lafayette. LAMB has 12 students zoned for Bancroft. And these are just the schools that are sending 10 or more students.

So it absolutely is the case that some people do have a choice of more than one good middle school, and we don't really know from the data whether they're choosing Deal or Hardy over DCI. But the choice is there.

Independent of this discussion, the data you linked to is fascinating.

There was a thread about the data: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1110151.page

Data > what I heard from “my social circle” poster