Confused and frustrated by AAP selection

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can not believe people still talk about AAP as not a gifted program. AAP is the FCPS program for gifted academics. They changed the name from GT to AAP because it only is about academics.

Thank you for adding facts to this forum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can not believe people still talk about AAP as not a gifted program. AAP is the FCPS program for gifted academics. They changed the name from GT to AAP because it only is about academics.

Thank you for adding facts to this forum.

? The program is academically advanced, hence the moniker Advanced Academic Program. It obviously is not just for gifted kids, as thousands of posts on this sub forum have shown.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can not believe people still talk about AAP as not a gifted program. AAP is the FCPS program for gifted academics. They changed the name from GT to AAP because it only is about academics.

Thank you for adding facts to this forum.

? The program is academically advanced, hence the moniker Advanced Academic Program. It obviously is not just for gifted kids, as thousands of posts on this sub forum have shown.

Precisely. Thank you for pointing this out. Some people on this forum simply refuse to acknowledge the obvious. Advanced does not equal Gifted.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can not believe people still talk about AAP as not a gifted program. AAP is the FCPS program for gifted academics. They changed the name from GT to AAP because it only is about academics.

Thank you for adding facts to this forum.

? The program is academically advanced, hence the moniker Advanced Academic Program. It obviously is not just for gifted kids, as thousands of posts on this sub forum have shown.

Precisely. Thank you for pointing this out. Some people on this forum simply refuse to acknowledge the obvious. Advanced does not equal Gifted.

True, but do what? Only about 15% are in AAP, so it is an elite corps of FCPS students.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can not believe people still talk about AAP as not a gifted program. AAP is the FCPS program for gifted academics. They changed the name from GT to AAP because it only is about academics.

Thank you for adding facts to this forum.

? The program is academically advanced, hence the moniker Advanced Academic Program. It obviously is not just for gifted kids, as thousands of posts on this sub forum have shown.

Precisely. Thank you for pointing this out. Some people on this forum simply refuse to acknowledge the obvious. Advanced does not equal Gifted.

True, but do what? Only about 15% are in AAP, so it is an elite corps of FCPS students.

that should have been so what?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can not believe people still talk about AAP as not a gifted program. AAP is the FCPS program for gifted academics. They changed the name from GT to AAP because it only is about academics.

Thank you for adding facts to this forum.

? The program is academically advanced, hence the moniker Advanced Academic Program. It obviously is not just for gifted kids, as thousands of posts on this sub forum have shown.

Precisely. Thank you for pointing this out. Some people on this forum simply refuse to acknowledge the obvious. Advanced does not equal Gifted.

True, but do what? Only about 15% are in AAP, so it is an elite corps of FCPS students.

that should have been so what?

15% = "elite"? I'm hoping you're just being facetious.

[Anonymous]

The name was only changed because there were parents who thought that if it is a Giftd and Talented Program, then it must also be for my child who is talented in music, art, athletics, what have you. FCPS wanted to emphasize the academic nature of the program and that they were not equipped to provide advanced training for other than academic talent. The change occurred when one of my children was in elementary GT and I followed the discussions and reason for the change at the time.

Also, the commonwealth of Virginia requires that school districts provide what is specifically referred to as "gifted" education for their students. FCPS simply changed the name of the Gifted and Talented Program to the Advanced Academic Program; the program itself did not change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
The name was only changed because there were parents who thought that if it is a Giftd and Talented Program, then it must also be for my child who is talented in music, art, athletics, what have you. FCPS wanted to emphasize the academic nature of the program and that they were not equipped to provide advanced training for other than academic talent. The change occurred when one of my children was in elementary GT and I followed the discussions and reason for the change at the time.

Also, the commonwealth of Virginia requires that school districts provide what is specifically referred to as "gifted" education for their students. FCPS simply changed the name of the Gifted and Talented Program to the Advanced Academic Program; the program itself did not change.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
The name was only changed because there were parents who thought that if it is a Giftd and Talented Program, then it must also be for my child who is talented in music, art, athletics, what have you. FCPS wanted to emphasize the academic nature of the program and that they were not equipped to provide advanced training for other than academic talent. The change occurred when one of my children was in elementary GT and I followed the discussions and reason for the change at the time.

Also, the commonwealth of Virginia requires that school districts provide what is specifically referred to as "gifted" education for their students. FCPS simply changed the name of the Gifted and Talented Program to the Advanced Academic Program; the program itself did not change.

The kids getting in has changed. 118 on the CogAt and GBRS of 12 or 13 is not gifted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The name was only changed because there were parents who thought that if it is a Giftd and Talented Program, then it must also be for my child who is talented in music, art, athletics, what have you. FCPS wanted to emphasize the academic nature of the program and that they were not equipped to provide advanced training for other than academic talent. The change occurred when one of my children was in elementary GT and I followed the discussions and reason for the change at the time.

Also, the commonwealth of Virginia requires that school districts provide what is specifically referred to as "gifted" education for their students. FCPS simply changed the name of the Gifted and Talented Program to the Advanced Academic Program; the program itself did not change.

The kids getting in has changed. 118 on the CogAt and GBRS of 12 or 13 is not gifted.

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The program has indeed changed, along with the kids in it. FCPS expanded the program so as to allow more kids with lower scores in. There may be some gifted kids in AAP, but they are few and far between.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
The name was only changed because there were parents who thought that if it is a Giftd and Talented Program, then it must also be for my child who is talented in music, art, athletics, what have you. FCPS wanted to emphasize the academic nature of the program and that they were not equipped to provide advanced training for other than academic talent. The change occurred when one of my children was in elementary GT and I followed the discussions and reason for the change at the time.

Also, the commonwealth of Virginia requires that school districts provide what is specifically referred to as "gifted" education for their students. FCPS simply changed the name of the Gifted and Talented Program to the Advanced Academic Program; the program itself did not change.

The kids getting in has changed. 118 on the CogAt and GBRS of 12 or 13 is not gifted.

My guess is the 118 CogAT's did not have 12 or 13 on the GBRS. My experience is sub-120 CogATs have GBRS of 14-16.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
The name was only changed because there were parents who thought that if it is a Giftd and Talented Program, then it must also be for my child who is talented in music, art, athletics, what have you. FCPS wanted to emphasize the academic nature of the program and that they were not equipped to provide advanced training for other than academic talent. The change occurred when one of my children was in elementary GT and I followed the discussions and reason for the change at the time.

Also, the commonwealth of Virginia requires that school districts provide what is specifically referred to as "gifted" education for their students. FCPS simply changed the name of the Gifted and Talented Program to the Advanced Academic Program; the program itself did not change.

The kids getting in has changed. 118 on the CogAt and GBRS of 12 or 13 is not gifted.

My guess is the 118 CogAT's did not have 12 or 13 on the GBRS. My experience is sub-120 CogATs have GBRS of 14-16.

AAP Center eligibility is not determined by a single test score.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
The name was only changed because there were parents who thought that if it is a Giftd and Talented Program, then it must also be for my child who is talented in music, art, athletics, what have you. FCPS wanted to emphasize the academic nature of the program and that they were not equipped to provide advanced training for other than academic talent. The change occurred when one of my children was in elementary GT and I followed the discussions and reason for the change at the time.

Also, the commonwealth of Virginia requires that school districts provide what is specifically referred to as "gifted" education for their students. FCPS simply changed the name of the Gifted and Talented Program to the Advanced Academic Program; the program itself did not change.

The kids getting in has changed. 118 on the CogAt and GBRS of 12 or 13 is not gifted.

My guess is the 118 CogAT's did not have 12 or 13 on the GBRS. My experience is sub-120 CogATs have GBRS of 14-16.

AAP Center eligibility is not determined by a single test score.

??? CogAt and GBRS are two different scores. And the most important ones.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
The name was only changed because there were parents who thought that if it is a Giftd and Talented Program, then it must also be for my child who is talented in music, art, athletics, what have you. FCPS wanted to emphasize the academic nature of the program and that they were not equipped to provide advanced training for other than academic talent. The change occurred when one of my children was in elementary GT and I followed the discussions and reason for the change at the time.

Also, the commonwealth of Virginia requires that school districts provide what is specifically referred to as "gifted" education for their students. FCPS simply changed the name of the Gifted and Talented Program to the Advanced Academic Program; the program itself did not change.

The kids getting in has changed. 118 on the CogAt and GBRS of 12 or 13 is not gifted.

My guess is the 118 CogAT's did not have 12 or 13 on the GBRS. My experience is sub-120 CogATs have GBRS of 14-16.

AAP Center eligibility is not determined by a single test score.

??? CogAt and GBRS are two different scores. And the most important ones.

Add more to the DCUM rubric -- and WISC-IV trumps all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP again. A couple of you have suggested that we get a retest, and then use that to inquire about Level IV. I struggle with this, and whether or not it is right/appropriate/worth it for our child. When we had him take the WISC-IV at the very end of 2nd grade, it was because we didn't understand why his CogAT and NNAT scores were all over the map, and so off with his behavior and academic performance. At the time, his 2nd grade teacher recommended him for Level IV, but the committee said no b/c of his test scores. We had him take the WISC to get some more understanding, and I'm glad we did because it revealed some underlying problems. The psychologist pointed out how his ADHD and his visual processing issues were likely impacting his scores on several of the subtests. On the other hand, on the subtests in which those issues were not factors, the highest he scored was in the Superior range. Fast forward to today - his report cards, his SOL scores, his GBRS score, and his overall academic performance definitely mean he needs to be challenged. We are so fortunate to have a fantastic gen ed 4th grade teacher who is excited to provide these challenges. So...do I think my son needs AAP? Definitely. Do I think he needs to be in Level III and not just Level II? YES. Do I think he should be in Level IV?? Honestly....I don't know! I know that Level IV is no longer a "gifted" program but an "advanced academics" program. My gut says he'd do just fine in Level IV. And we know other kids who are in Level IV who had lower-than High Superior test scores, but high GBRS scores, and who are doing well. But maybe my son will also continue to do just fine if he stays in gen ed with Level III. This is my big problem with the AAP program in general. I think it works great for those who are truly gifted, I think it does a disservice to those who are borderline Level III-Level IV.

As another point of info, I think I've heard that some schools provide pull-out advanced math instruction starting in the 5th grade to prepare kids to qualify for honors math in 7th grade. Our school does not do this. So for us, this whole Level III vs. Level IV question may have longer term implications for our son.

OP, you need to use some paragraphs. Hard to read the jumble of text quickly.