Typical priority in "Holistic" Review

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unless you are a hooked student, most important criteria by far is weighted gpa/class rank, which school can calculate for itself. Then, test scores if submitted. Extracurriculars only really matter if there are none or are super unique. After that, things like geographic diversity, gender diversity, major, etc . . .

First Gen, pell eligible, athlete puts you on a separate track. Legacy is only a tiebreaker.

+1. The most important factor today is URM and first-generation status.

What do you mean by URM? There's no box to check yet plenty of minority John Smiths. If they abide by the ruling then that shouldn't be a factor. But I'll give you 'first-gen' as a factor.

Almost 100% of the online tours my kid has attended ask for race.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unless you are a hooked student, most important criteria by far is weighted gpa/class rank, which school can calculate for itself. Then, test scores if submitted. Extracurriculars only really matter if there are none or are super unique. After that, things like geographic diversity, gender diversity, major, etc . . .

First Gen, pell eligible, athlete puts you on a separate track. Legacy is only a tiebreaker.

+1. The most important factor today is URM and first-generation status.

What do you mean by URM? There's no box to check yet plenty of minority John Smiths. If they abide by the ruling then that shouldn't be a factor. But I'll give you 'first-gen' as a factor.

Almost 100% of the online tours my kid has attended ask for race.

so you are saying AOs are linking online tour data to actual submitted applications? Then identifying URMs that way? Is there evidence of this actually happening or are you 'speculating'?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unless you are a hooked student, most important criteria by far is weighted gpa/class rank, which school can calculate for itself. Then, test scores if submitted. Extracurriculars only really matter if there are none or are super unique. After that, things like geographic diversity, gender diversity, major, etc . . .

First Gen, pell eligible, athlete puts you on a separate track. Legacy is only a tiebreaker.

+1. The most important factor today is URM and first-generation status.

What do you mean by URM? There's no box to check yet plenty of minority John Smiths. If they abide by the ruling then that shouldn't be a factor. But I'll give you 'first-gen' as a factor.

Almost 100% of the online tours my kid has attended ask for race.

so you are saying AOs are linking online tour data to actual submitted applications? Then identifying URMs that way? Is there evidence of this actually happening or are you 'speculating'?

This a paranoia. You can't debate with paranoia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You people are obsessed. Truly obsessed.

No two colleges use the same formula. To get the best idea of what a particular college does, you look at its common data set. You do that instead of asking weirdos on this website who know nothing to make shit up.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You people are obsessed. Truly obsessed.

No two colleges use the same formula. To get the best idea of what a particular college does, you look at its common data set. You do that instead of asking weirdos on this website who know nothing to make shit up.

+1

Schools spend about 5 minutes per app, there is not some incredibly complex review taking place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unless you are a hooked student, most important criteria by far is weighted gpa/class rank, which school can calculate for itself. Then, test scores if submitted. Extracurriculars only really matter if there are none or are super unique. After that, things like geographic diversity, gender diversity, major, etc . . .

First Gen, pell eligible, athlete puts you on a separate track. Legacy is only a tiebreaker.

+1. The most important factor today is URM and first-generation status.

What do you mean by URM? There's no box to check yet plenty of minority John Smiths. If they abide by the ruling then that shouldn't be a factor. But I'll give you 'first-gen' as a factor.

Almost 100% of the online tours my kid has attended ask for race.

Because they are allowed to. The DOE advised colleges that they could continue to collect racial data for recruitment and marketing. However, people who make admissions decisions are not allowed access to that data until after the admissions cycle/final decisions are done.

I doubt colleges will violate the new rules and risk being sued, which would be easily discoverable.

[Anonymous]

Look at the CDS for each school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You people are obsessed. Truly obsessed.

No two colleges use the same formula. To get the best idea of what a particular college does, you look at its common data set. You do that instead of asking weirdos on this website who know nothing to make shit up.

+1

Schools spend about 5 minutes per app, there is not some incredibly complex review taking place.

Only true for "low quality" apps which are near automatic rejections (this could be as high as 80 percent of the apps at the very top schools). For actual admits you can bet they spend way more than that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unless you are a hooked student, most important criteria by far is weighted gpa/class rank, which school can calculate for itself. Then, test scores if submitted. Extracurriculars only really matter if there are none or are super unique. After that, things like geographic diversity, gender diversity, major, etc . . .

First Gen, pell eligible, athlete puts you on a separate track. Legacy is only a tiebreaker.

+1. The most important factor today is URM and first-generation status.

The most important factor is “did daddy give a building” and “can you throw a football.” But those categories don’t apply to very many people.

Not true. That is a very very small percentage of legacies and usually applicable only to the elite institutions where the parent wants their kids to go.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Look at the CDS for each school.

+1
They tell you exactly what they value and to what degree. And they are held accountable for using what they submit in the CDS so it is more accurate than any off-the-cuff remarks someone may make in a presentation or what random DCUM posters dream up based on whatever particular clusters of biases they hold.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unless you are a hooked student, most important criteria by far is weighted gpa/class rank, which school can calculate for itself. Then, test scores if submitted. Extracurriculars only really matter if there are none or are super unique. After that, things like geographic diversity, gender diversity, major, etc . . .

First Gen, pell eligible, athlete puts you on a separate track. Legacy is only a tiebreaker.

+1. The most important factor today is URM and first-generation status.

What do you mean by URM? There's no box to check yet plenty of minority John Smiths. If they abide by the ruling then that shouldn't be a factor. But I'll give you 'first-gen' as a factor.

for the 900th time chief justice Roberts said that an applicant can put race in the ESSAY! That's why schools were racing around this summer to modify their prompts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unless you are a hooked student, most important criteria by far is weighted gpa/class rank, which school can calculate for itself. Then, test scores if submitted. Extracurriculars only really matter if there are none or are super unique. After that, things like geographic diversity, gender diversity, major, etc . . .

First Gen, pell eligible, athlete puts you on a separate track. Legacy is only a tiebreaker.

+1. The most important factor today is URM and first-generation status.

What do you mean by URM? There's no box to check yet plenty of minority John Smiths. If they abide by the ruling then that shouldn't be a factor. But I'll give you 'first-gen' as a factor.

Almost 100% of the online tours my kid has attended ask for race.

Because they are allowed to. The DOE advised colleges that they could continue to collect racial data for recruitment and marketing. However, people who make admissions decisions are not allowed access to that data until after the admissions cycle/final decisions are done.

I doubt colleges will violate the new rules and risk being sued, which would be easily discoverable.

That's fascinating. So the universities identify at tours and keep records. And students are allowed to raise race in the essay. Ergo no need for a box anymore. Just more costly admissions practices (costly to the university = even higher costs to attend)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You people are obsessed. Truly obsessed.

No two colleges use the same formula. To get the best idea of what a particular college does, you look at its common data set. You do that instead of asking weirdos on this website who know nothing to make shit up.

+1

Schools spend about 5 minutes per app, there is not some incredibly complex review taking place.

Only true for "low quality" apps which are near automatic rejections (this could be as high as 80 percent of the apps at the very top schools). For actual admits you can bet they spend way more than that.

Not true at all. UVA got 57,000 applications last year. It is a public so has a relatively small admissions office. How do you think they handle that? Yes, they have readers who cull for stats.,, but it really does come down to 5 min or less. The AO of an elite private came and talked to our school about this. He said less than four minutes, but that was also when admissions was more sane.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unless you are a hooked student, most important criteria by far is weighted gpa/class rank, which school can calculate for itself. Then, test scores if submitted. Extracurriculars only really matter if there are none or are super unique. After that, things like geographic diversity, gender diversity, major, etc . . .

First Gen, pell eligible, athlete puts you on a separate track. Legacy is only a tiebreaker.

+1. The most important factor today is URM and first-generation status.

What do you mean by URM? There's no box to check yet plenty of minority John Smiths. If they abide by the ruling then that shouldn't be a factor. But I'll give you 'first-gen' as a factor.

Almost 100% of the online tours my kid has attended ask for race.

They are assessing how their recruiting efforts are doing in terms of generating interest in diverse populations. That's one of their strategies--to make sure they have a racially diverse pool of potentially interested students. I think this is an essential thing to do and has zero drawbacks--unlike race-based admissions practices which are more controversial (and now not allowed).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You people are obsessed. Truly obsessed.

No two colleges use the same formula. To get the best idea of what a particular college does, you look at its common data set. You do that instead of asking weirdos on this website who know nothing to make shit up.

+1

Schools spend about 5 minutes per app, there is not some incredibly complex review taking place.

Only true for "low quality" apps which are near automatic rejections (this could be as high as 80 percent of the apps at the very top schools). For actual admits you can bet they spend way more than that.

And you would be wrong. Read the Selingo book. And use your common sense, schools receive tens of thousands of applications.