ECNL and ECNL RL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:This whole question reeks. Honestly, you want to go around your team’s back to play elsewhere and not have anyone know? And when your kid is tired or beat up from another game, or another parent or coach hears what’s happening, you say what exactly? Jeez, just be up front.
“I want my kid to have more playing time. He would like to guest play with x.”

It’s the same carding system. So they will figure it out once they start to input your kid.

It's clear few of you are managers. For most tournaments the guest players are just uploaded in a different PDF. There's no digital card by card upload. No cross checking.

Correct, but if player needs both US Club and USYS registrations they would be uploaded in both systems and will show in GotSoccer. I'm not sure why anyone needs to be sneaky about guest playing....

[Anonymous]

I believe Union, NVA, VDA, Brave, Arlington all have 2 dual roster spots on their ECNL roster for players to play on both ECNL-R and the associated ECNL team…think Valor Ecnl-R and NVA Ecnl…kid can be rostered on both teams as Valor feeds NVA

my 2 cents

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I believe Union, NVA, VDA, Brave, Arlington all have 2 dual roster spots on their ECNL roster for players to play on both ECNL-R and the associated ECNL team…think Valor Ecnl-R and NVA Ecnl…kid can be rostered on both teams as Valor feeds NVA

my 2 cents

Being "rostered" to teams in the same club is called club pass. If you are on an ECNL RL team, you cannot switch teams until May of the following year. The new club will see that you are rostered since it's the same system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I believe Union, NVA, VDA, Brave, Arlington all have 2 dual roster spots on their ECNL roster for players to play on both ECNL-R and the associated ECNL team…think Valor Ecnl-R and NVA Ecnl…kid can be rostered on both teams as Valor feeds NVA

my 2 cents

Being "rostered" to teams in the same club is called club pass. If you are on an ECNL RL team, you cannot switch teams until May of the following year. The new club will see that you are rostered since it's the same system.

Right. You can play on Bethesda ECNL and Bethesda ECNL-RL, but you can't play on Bethesda ECNL and Union ECNL-RL.

You can play on Bethesda ECNL and on a DCSC EDP team -- but IMO you should absolutely disclose this to your primary team.

FWIW, some clubs don't mind this at all. I know there's at least one 2010 player on Bethesda ECNL-RL who is fully rostered on a USYS NL team and plays for both.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This whole question reeks. Honestly, you want to go around your team’s back to play elsewhere and not have anyone know? And when your kid is tired or beat up from another game, or another parent or coach hears what’s happening, you say what exactly? Jeez, just be up front.
“I want my kid to have more playing time. He would like to guest play with x.”

Your suggestion of being “up front” with a coach makes you sound like a clown and puts your coach on the defensive. “I want my son to have more playing time” (read: YOU aren’t happy with your kid’s playing time).

Why is it going behind a teams back? Why is this any different than a kid playing soccer and also on a football team or a baseball team during the same season? Provided the practices and game schedules don’t clash, who cares of a player is double rostered?

Your kid wants a double dose of soccer vs another sport, and as long as the schedules don’t interfere, have at it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This whole question reeks. Honestly, you want to go around your team’s back to play elsewhere and not have anyone know? And when your kid is tired or beat up from another game, or another parent or coach hears what’s happening, you say what exactly? Jeez, just be up front.
“I want my kid to have more playing time. He would like to guest play with x.”

Your suggestion of being “up front” with a coach makes you sound like a clown and puts your coach on the defensive. “I want my son to have more playing time” (read: YOU aren’t happy with your kid’s playing time).

Why is it going behind a teams back? Why is this any different than a kid playing soccer and also on a football team or a baseball team during the same season? Provided the practices and game schedules don’t clash, who cares of a player is double rostered?

Your kid wants a double dose of soccer vs another sport, and as long as the schedules don’t interfere, have at it.

I agree but this also depends on whether or not you already have a Player’s Card and your/your DC’s relationship with the coach.

We get along with our current coach great so we don’t have any issues disclosing it and the coach knows we love the him and the team. But my DD’s previous club coach is an arrogant PIA so we said nothing. He didn’t even allow for guest playing for a lower/higher level team within his club.

Guest playing is also a way for parents/kids to look for or at another team. Hence, some coaches will say No.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This whole question reeks. Honestly, you want to go around your team’s back to play elsewhere and not have anyone know? And when your kid is tired or beat up from another game, or another parent or coach hears what’s happening, you say what exactly? Jeez, just be up front.
“I want my kid to have more playing time. He would like to guest play with x.”

Your suggestion of being “up front” with a coach makes you sound like a clown and puts your coach on the defensive. “I want my son to have more playing time” (read: YOU aren’t happy with your kid’s playing time).

Why is it going behind a teams back? Why is this any different than a kid playing soccer and also on a football team or a baseball team during the same season? Provided the practices and game schedules don’t clash, who cares of a player is double rostered?

Your kid wants a double dose of soccer vs another sport, and as long as the schedules don’t interfere, have at it.

Love the personal attacks. Way to go. NO, you are wrong. A player owes their primary team a few things, including honesty. Overtraining is a real thing. Injury in someone else’s game is a real thing. At this level, ECNL level, it matters. I would be very unhappy as a coach or manager if I heard a kid was playing on another team and didn’t share. Plus because of the carding situation, it would be against league policy.

[Anonymous]

I was really trying to just manspalin that if your kid is on the bubble of making a ECNL team....join a program you can dual roster with the ECNL-R team. You cannot DR by choice, your DC will need to be good enough to be asked to join as a DR player. My DC was a DR player for a year and the next year was a full roster ECNL...it works for the kids that put the effort in and work hard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was really trying to just manspalin that if your kid is on the bubble of making a ECNL team....join a program you can dual roster with the ECNL-R team. You cannot DR by choice, your DC will need to be good enough to be asked to join as a DR player. My DC was a DR player for a year and the next year was a full roster ECNL...it works for the kids that put the effort in and work hard.

In DS's club it works like that as well, but, I often hear complaints that it is impossible to move up and its easier to move across. Either way, being on the ENCL-RL team is a step towards being on ENCL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This whole question reeks. Honestly, you want to go around your team’s back to play elsewhere and not have anyone know? And when your kid is tired or beat up from another game, or another parent or coach hears what’s happening, you say what exactly? Jeez, just be up front.
“I want my kid to have more playing time. He would like to guest play with x.”

Your suggestion of being “up front” with a coach makes you sound like a clown and puts your coach on the defensive. “I want my son to have more playing time” (read: YOU aren’t happy with your kid’s playing time).

Why is it going behind a teams back? Why is this any different than a kid playing soccer and also on a football team or a baseball team during the same season? Provided the practices and game schedules don’t clash, who cares of a player is double rostered?

Your kid wants a double dose of soccer vs another sport, and as long as the schedules don’t interfere, have at it.

Love the personal attacks. Way to go. NO, you are wrong. A player owes their primary team a few things, including honesty. Overtraining is a real thing. Injury in someone else’s game is a real thing. At this level, ECNL level, it matters. I would be very unhappy as a coach or manager if I heard a kid was playing on another team and didn’t share. Plus because of the carding situation, it would be against league policy.

Eh, no. Against league policy? If they are separate teams in two different leagues (e.g., ECNL & NCSL), exactly what league policy is being violated? Pretty sure we established it’s two different governing bodies with separate carding systems.

With respect to injuries and over training…explain to me again the difference between playing on two different soccer teams vs. a soccer team and a football team in the same season? MANY kids do this (soccer and ‘insert sport here’). If they don’t overlap, what difference does it make? It’s taboo if a player is injured playing for another club, but no issue if said child is injured playing football, swimming, basketball, etc., during the same season?

And do you really believe any practice over 3x a week and one game each weekend constitutes “overtraining”?

[Anonymous]

^OP is talking about two ECNL teams. Not on the same club. That is against league policy. And yes, overuse and injury is a problem with training every day. ECNL teams often practice 4x per week. In high school lots of club teams skip fall season because of that risk. So eh, yes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This whole question reeks. Honestly, you want to go around your team’s back to play elsewhere and not have anyone know? And when your kid is tired or beat up from another game, or another parent or coach hears what’s happening, you say what exactly? Jeez, just be up front.
“I want my kid to have more playing time. He would like to guest play with x.”

Your suggestion of being “up front” with a coach makes you sound like a clown and puts your coach on the defensive. “I want my son to have more playing time” (read: YOU aren’t happy with your kid’s playing time).

Why is it going behind a teams back? Why is this any different than a kid playing soccer and also on a football team or a baseball team during the same season? Provided the practices and game schedules don’t clash, who cares of a player is double rostered?

Your kid wants a double dose of soccer vs another sport, and as long as the schedules don’t interfere, have at it.

Love the personal attacks. Way to go. NO, you are wrong. A player owes their primary team a few things, including honesty. Overtraining is a real thing. Injury in someone else’s game is a real thing. At this level, ECNL level, it matters. I would be very unhappy as a coach or manager if I heard a kid was playing on another team and didn’t share. Plus because of the carding situation, it would be against league policy.

Honesty is a two-way street. We have had those dkheads that threaten kids and tell them if they try out somewhere else it will get back to them …yet they offer no such transparency about the process to the kids and won’t tell them they plan to cut them.

You should adopt a: what they don’t know can’t hurt them. Unfortunately, coaches aren’t your friend in travel soccer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This whole question reeks. Honestly, you want to go around your team’s back to play elsewhere and not have anyone know? And when your kid is tired or beat up from another game, or another parent or coach hears what’s happening, you say what exactly? Jeez, just be up front.
“I want my kid to have more playing time. He would like to guest play with x.”

Your suggestion of being “up front” with a coach makes you sound like a clown and puts your coach on the defensive. “I want my son to have more playing time” (read: YOU aren’t happy with your kid’s playing time).

Why is it going behind a teams back? Why is this any different than a kid playing soccer and also on a football team or a baseball team during the same season? Provided the practices and game schedules don’t clash, who cares of a player is double rostered?

Your kid wants a double dose of soccer vs another sport, and as long as the schedules don’t interfere, have at it.

Love the personal attacks. Way to go. NO, you are wrong. A player owes their primary team a few things, including honesty. Overtraining is a real thing. Injury in someone else’s game is a real thing. At this level, ECNL level, it matters. I would be very unhappy as a coach or manager if I heard a kid was playing on another team and didn’t share. Plus because of the carding situation, it would be against league policy.

Honesty is a two-way street. We have had those dkheads that threaten kids and tell them if they try out somewhere else it will get back to them …yet they offer no such transparency about the process to the kids and won’t tell them they plan to cut them.

You should adopt a: what they don’t know can’t hurt them. Unfortunately, coaches aren’t your friend in travel soccer.

+1. And I completely agree. Club soccer is purely a Service Business and it’s no different than any business that provides a service that we pay for. Loyalty and transparency is only based on how the coach(es) treat our DC and how good they are at coaching our DC (ie quality of service).

Play, practice and be at a club where they provide the best value for our money. It is our hard-earned money. There shouldn’t be any fear/worry about hurt feelings with the coach(es) or other parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This whole question reeks. Honestly, you want to go around your team’s back to play elsewhere and not have anyone know? And when your kid is tired or beat up from another game, or another parent or coach hears what’s happening, you say what exactly? Jeez, just be up front.
“I want my kid to have more playing time. He would like to guest play with x.”

Your suggestion of being “up front” with a coach makes you sound like a clown and puts your coach on the defensive. “I want my son to have more playing time” (read: YOU aren’t happy with your kid’s playing time).

Why is it going behind a teams back? Why is this any different than a kid playing soccer and also on a football team or a baseball team during the same season? Provided the practices and game schedules don’t clash, who cares of a player is double rostered?

Your kid wants a double dose of soccer vs another sport, and as long as the schedules don’t interfere, have at it.

This is the attitude that most VA girls parents have. They travel from team to team with no loyalty and still believing their kid should be playing ECNL. There's no way a kid on an ECRL team should expect to play on an ECNL team. There's a huge gap between the two. Even if they make an ECNL team, i would expect to ride the bench most of the minutes.


Love the personal attacks. Way to go. NO, you are wrong. A player owes their primary team a few things, including honesty. Overtraining is a real thing. Injury in someone else’s game is a real thing. At this level, ECNL level, it matters. I would be very unhappy as a coach or manager if I heard a kid was playing on another team and didn’t share. Plus because of the carding situation, it would be against league policy.

Honesty is a two-way street. We have had those dkheads that threaten kids and tell them if they try out somewhere else it will get back to them …yet they offer no such transparency about the process to the kids and won’t tell them they plan to cut them.

You should adopt a: what they don’t know can’t hurt them. Unfortunately, coaches aren’t your friend in travel soccer.

+1. And I completely agree. Club soccer is purely a Service Business and it’s no different than any business that provides a service that we pay for. Loyalty and transparency is only based on how the coach(es) treat our DC and how good they are at coaching our DC (ie quality of service).

Play, practice and be at a club where they provide the best value for our money. It is our hard-earned money. There shouldn’t be any fear/worry about hurt feelings with the coach(es) or other parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This whole question reeks. Honestly, you want to go around your team’s back to play elsewhere and not have anyone know? And when your kid is tired or beat up from another game, or another parent or coach hears what’s happening, you say what exactly? Jeez, just be up front.
“I want my kid to have more playing time. He would like to guest play with x.”

Your suggestion of being “up front” with a coach makes you sound like a clown and puts your coach on the defensive. “I want my son to have more playing time” (read: YOU aren’t happy with your kid’s playing time).

Why is it going behind a teams back? Why is this any different than a kid playing soccer and also on a football team or a baseball team during the same season? Provided the practices and game schedules don’t clash, who cares of a player is double rostered?

Your kid wants a double dose of soccer vs another sport, and as long as the schedules don’t interfere, have at it.

This is the attitude that most VA girls parents have. They travel from team to team with no loyalty and still believing their kid should be playing ECNL. There's no way a kid on an ECRL team should expect to play on an ECNL team. There's a huge gap between the two. Even if they make an ECNL team, i would expect to ride the bench most of the minutes.


Love the personal attacks. Way to go. NO, you are wrong. A player owes their primary team a few things, including honesty. Overtraining is a real thing. Injury in someone else’s game is a real thing. At this level, ECNL level, it matters. I would be very unhappy as a coach or manager if I heard a kid was playing on another team and didn’t share. Plus because of the carding situation, it would be against league policy.

Honesty is a two-way street. We have had those dkheads that threaten kids and tell them if they try out somewhere else it will get back to them …yet they offer no such transparency about the process to the kids and won’t tell them they plan to cut them.

You should adopt a: what they don’t know can’t hurt them. Unfortunately, coaches aren’t your friend in travel soccer.

+1. And I completely agree. Club soccer is purely a Service Business and it’s no different than any business that provides a service that we pay for. Loyalty and transparency is only based on how the coach(es) treat our DC and how good they are at coaching our DC (ie quality of service).

Play, practice and be at a club where they provide the best value for our money. It is our hard-earned money. There shouldn’t be any fear/worry about hurt feelings with the coach(es) or other parents.