Taylor Swift is awful (and her music isn't even very good)

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Even my 74 year old, not online at all dad asked me yesterday "why do so many people hate Taylor Swift? Why does anyone give a sh!t?"


We keep explaining: because of her nonstop publicity and limitless self-exposure. She wants to have a pseudo relationship with her fans, fine, but can’t she limit it to posts on twitter and leave the rest of us alone?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Even my 74 year old, not online at all dad asked me yesterday "why do so many people hate Taylor Swift? Why does anyone give a sh!t?"


We keep explaining: because of her nonstop publicity and limitless self-exposure. She wants to have a pseudo relationship with her fans, fine, but can’t she limit it to posts on twitter and leave the rest of us alone?

and by "we" I mean "I". It's hard work to stay on top of this thread but I give it my all to convince everyone that TS is awful! If I can convince ONE person it will have been worth all my efforts!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Lots of praise. Not hard to find:

https://www.insider.com/taylor-swift-praised-by-icons-2023-8

https://www.reddit.com/r/TaylorSwift/comments/130elj3/a_compilation_of_celebrities_talking_about_taylor/

https://www.reddit.com/r/TaylorSwift/comments/i5nqfy/big_artistsentertainers_who_have_praised_taylor/

https://wrat.com/listicle/taylor-swift-praised-by-rockers/



Look at the actual interviews, not the cliff’s notes. It follows the pattern PP described above:

I’m sure that if I went through each artist that allegedly offered her praise, it would be a similar dynamic: artist being interviewed, artist being asked, out of left field, what he or she thinks of Taylor Swift’s music, artist making a generic/political “Oh, she’s great. Love her.” type comment and then artist steering the conversation deftly back to selling his or her stuff. It’s called being a diplomatic professional, not adoring praise.

The Beatles used to publicly make fun of, a far superior to Swift, Joni Mitchell. Paul McCartney is not now in love with Taylor’s music. He is being diplomatic in his very old age.
You are something else. People show you her praise but then you question the praise they give you and call it generic praise from the people giving it as if it’s not worthy enough in your eyes. I’ve never seen like it.
Btw, people can give me free tickets to go see menudo and I’m not going so I definitely think that saying celebrities go because tickets are free is completely discounting what an event her show is to everyone.
Have you seen it? She’s an unbelievable stage performer.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Even my 74 year old, not online at all dad asked me yesterday "why do so many people hate Taylor Swift? Why does anyone give a sh!t?"


We keep explaining: because of her nonstop publicity and limitless self-exposure. She wants to have a pseudo relationship with her fans, fine, but can’t she limit it to posts on twitter and leave the rest of us alone?

and by "we" I mean "I". It's hard work to stay on top of this thread but I give it my all to convince everyone that TS is awful! If I can convince ONE person it will have been worth all my efforts!


So far it's not looking good for you. Maybe take up a new hobby?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Lots of praise. Not hard to find:

https://www.insider.com/taylor-swift-praised-by-icons-2023-8

https://www.reddit.com/r/TaylorSwift/comments/130elj3/a_compilation_of_celebrities_talking_about_taylor/

https://www.reddit.com/r/TaylorSwift/comments/i5nqfy/big_artistsentertainers_who_have_praised_taylor/

https://wrat.com/listicle/taylor-swift-praised-by-rockers/



Look at the actual interviews, not the cliff’s notes. It follows the pattern PP described above:

I’m sure that if I went through each artist that allegedly offered her praise, it would be a similar dynamic: artist being interviewed, artist being asked, out of left field, what he or she thinks of Taylor Swift’s music, artist making a generic/political “Oh, she’s great. Love her.” type comment and then artist steering the conversation deftly back to selling his or her stuff. It’s called being a diplomatic professional, not adoring praise.

The Beatles used to publicly make fun of, a far superior to Swift, Joni Mitchell. Paul McCartney is not now in love with Taylor’s music. He is being diplomatic in his very old age.
You are something else. People show you her praise but then you question the praise they give you and call it generic praise from the people giving it as if it’s not worthy enough in your eyes. I’ve never seen like it.
Btw, people can give me free tickets to go see menudo and I’m not going so I definitely think that saying celebrities go because tickets are free is completely discounting what an event her show is to everyone.
Have you seen it? She’s an unbelievable stage performer.
I meant to say I’ve never seen anything like this. You don’t have to like her but when you discount actual compliments she gets from many musicians, you just look silly.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Even my 74 year old, not online at all dad asked me yesterday "why do so many people hate Taylor Swift? Why does anyone give a sh!t?"


We keep explaining: because of her nonstop publicity and limitless self-exposure. She wants to have a pseudo relationship with her fans, fine, but can’t she limit it to posts on twitter and leave the rest of us alone?

and by "we" I mean "I". It's hard work to stay on top of this thread but I give it my all to convince everyone that TS is awful! If I can convince ONE person it will have been worth all my efforts!


You are a spectacular failure.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Even my 74 year old, not online at all dad asked me yesterday "why do so many people hate Taylor Swift? Why does anyone give a sh!t?"


We keep explaining: because of her nonstop publicity and limitless self-exposure. She wants to have a pseudo relationship with her fans, fine, but can’t she limit it to posts on twitter and leave the rest of us alone?

and by "we" I mean "I". It's hard work to stay on top of this thread but I give it my all to convince everyone that TS is awful! If I can convince ONE person it will have been worth all my efforts!


So far it's not looking good for you. Maybe take up a new hobby?
I don’t know one person that doesn’t like her so way more people are fans. Anyone in the public eye will have haters but I when she had an opposing stadium going insane for her playing against Travis’ team, it was pretty cool.
Anonymous
Swift doesn't have to do anything other than be seen outside for it to be a public spectacle. She doesn't need to drum up her own interest. You can't blame that on her. She's not like the Kardashians who create their own over exposure at every possible moment then say they deserve privacy.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Lots of praise. Not hard to find:

https://www.insider.com/taylor-swift-praised-by-icons-2023-8

https://www.reddit.com/r/TaylorSwift/comments/130elj3/a_compilation_of_celebrities_talking_about_taylor/

https://www.reddit.com/r/TaylorSwift/comments/i5nqfy/big_artistsentertainers_who_have_praised_taylor/

https://wrat.com/listicle/taylor-swift-praised-by-rockers/



Look at the actual interviews, not the cliff’s notes. It follows the pattern PP described above:

I’m sure that if I went through each artist that allegedly offered her praise, it would be a similar dynamic: artist being interviewed, artist being asked, out of left field, what he or she thinks of Taylor Swift’s music, artist making a generic/political “Oh, she’s great. Love her.” type comment and then artist steering the conversation deftly back to selling his or her stuff. It’s called being a diplomatic professional, not adoring praise.

The Beatles used to publicly make fun of, a far superior to Swift, Joni Mitchell. Paul McCartney is not now in love with Taylor’s music. He is being diplomatic in his very old age.


Many of these artists have actually performed with her, and I saw many of the full interviews. What is it with you? You (or whomever) said no one praises her. They do. Full stop. Sorry to burst your bubble, but many musicians praise her.


Ed Sheeran is the only musician you listed at any point in this thread who performed with Taylor Swift. The rest of them are trying to be polite and/or stay relevant.

In contrast, Tony Bennet, did actually like Lady Gaga and performed with her repeatedly, no arm twisting involved. Can you really not grasp the difference?


There are literally photos of her performing with many of these artists. She's performed with too many to count. Hell, Mick Jagger joined her on stage and she's performed with Paul McCartney. Are you saying they are trying to stay relevant? Look, you can hate Taylor Swift. Knock yourself out if that brings you joy. But you are simply wrong that many artists and musicians have praised her and then performed with her. That's just fact.


Really? Please do share when and where Paul and Taylor performed together at a concert, like Tony Bennet did with Lady Gaga. The only photos of Paul McCartney “performing” with Taylor that I could find were at an SNL after party not a concert. Jimmy Fallon was there singing, too. Actually, Paul goes to the Jimmy Fallon show frequently and performs a lot of songs with him, too. I guess Paul must be captivated by Jimmy’s musical prowess. Or maybe he’s just trying to stay relevant?


You didn’t say it had to be at a concert. You literally said no one but Ed Sheeran had performed with her. Untrue. There’s literally a photo if her performing with Stevie Nicks in a linked piece. She had a ridiculously high number of musicians from all genres join her onstage when she toured for her 1989 tour. Stop moving the goalposts. You’re wrong. Period. Hate her all you want but you’re wrong on that note.


No one is moving goal posts. The example was Tony Bennet showing his high regard to Lady Gaga by dueting with her at Radio City Music Hall (in addition to releasing albums together). You equated that to Paul McCartney and Jimmy Fallon joining Taylor in singing together at an after party. If those are the standards, I’m sure a lot, a lot of terrible singers have probably performed with Paul McCartney, starting in his elementary school.

The cognitive dissonance involved in likening singing together at a party with a concert at Radio City Music Hall is awe inspiring. You win the award for biggest Taylor Swift fanatic.
Anonymous
And my example of a performance was … a performance. I don’t care what you deem to be a performance. A performance is a performance. You deciding it had to be similar to Lady Gaga and Tony Bennet was just you. That’s it. And I don’t care that you made that distinction.

Take that one example away if you want, and the full Rolling Stone magazine collaboration he did with her, I don’t care. It leaves a $h!t ton of other **performances** with other artists who clearly hold her in high regard.

You. Are. Wrong. I swear it’s like arguing with a Trump supporter where facts cease to be facts simply because you don’t want them to be. I’m not a huge Swiftie, but hell, I know facts when I see them.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Even my 74 year old, not online at all dad asked me yesterday "why do so many people hate Taylor Swift? Why does anyone give a sh!t?"


We keep explaining: because of her nonstop publicity and limitless self-exposure. She wants to have a pseudo relationship with her fans, fine, but can’t she limit it to posts on twitter and leave the rest of us alone?

and by "we" I mean "I". It's hard work to stay on top of this thread but I give it my all to convince everyone that TS is awful! If I can convince ONE person it will have been worth all my efforts!


So far it's not looking good for you. Maybe take up a new hobby?
I don’t know one person that doesn’t like her so way more people are fans. Anyone in the public eye will have haters but I when she had an opposing stadium going insane for her playing against Travis’ team, it was pretty cool.


If the Chiefs don't win the Super Bowl she will fall into the same bucket as Yoko Ono. They have stumbled a bit lately, you know.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:And my example of a performance was … a performance. I don’t care what you deem to be a performance. A performance is a performance. You deciding it had to be similar to Lady Gaga and Tony Bennet was just you. That’s it. And I don’t care that you made that distinction.

Take that one example away if you want, and the full Rolling Stone magazine collaboration he did with her, I don’t care. It leaves a $h!t ton of other **performances** with other artists who clearly hold her in high regard.

You. Are. Wrong. I swear it’s like arguing with a Trump supporter where facts cease to be facts simply because you don’t want them to be. I’m not a huge Swiftie, but hell, I know facts when I see them.


Jesus Christ, a performance in the context of musical professionals means a concert that people pay to see. Not a karaoke at a party.

You are nuts!!!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:And my example of a performance was … a performance. I don’t care what you deem to be a performance. A performance is a performance. You deciding it had to be similar to Lady Gaga and Tony Bennet was just you. That’s it. And I don’t care that you made that distinction.

Take that one example away if you want, and the full Rolling Stone magazine collaboration he did with her, I don’t care. It leaves a $h!t ton of other **performances** with other artists who clearly hold her in high regard.

You. Are. Wrong. I swear it’s like arguing with a Trump supporter where facts cease to be facts simply because you don’t want them to be. I’m not a huge Swiftie, but hell, I know facts when I see them.


Jesus Christ, a performance in the context of musical professionals means a concert that people pay to see. Not a karaoke at a party.

You are nuts!!!


You are so laughably wrong at this point you’re embarrassing yourself.

You think if Paul McCartney hated Taylor Swift so much he would have agreed to that - hang on, *checks notes* - performance? Or partnered with her for the cover of any magazine no less Rolling Stone? What about all of the musicians who joined her on stage for her tour? You ignore all those when the original statement was no musicians praise her and ONLY Ed Sheeran ever performed with her? All of that is objectively wrong no matter how you try to twist it or argue for sport. You’re certifiably insane with your mental gymnastics.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:And my example of a performance was … a performance. I don’t care what you deem to be a performance. A performance is a performance. You deciding it had to be similar to Lady Gaga and Tony Bennet was just you. That’s it. And I don’t care that you made that distinction.

Take that one example away if you want, and the full Rolling Stone magazine collaboration he did with her, I don’t care. It leaves a $h!t ton of other **performances** with other artists who clearly hold her in high regard.

You. Are. Wrong. I swear it’s like arguing with a Trump supporter where facts cease to be facts simply because you don’t want them to be. I’m not a huge Swiftie, but hell, I know facts when I see them.


Jesus Christ, a performance in the context of musical professionals means a concert that people pay to see. Not a karaoke at a party.

You are nuts!!!


You are so laughably wrong at this point you’re embarrassing yourself.

You think if Paul McCartney hated Taylor Swift so much he would have agreed to that - hang on, *checks notes* - performance? Or partnered with her for the cover of any magazine no less Rolling Stone? What about all of the musicians who joined her on stage for her tour? You ignore all those when the original statement was no musicians praise her and ONLY Ed Sheeran ever performed with her? All of that is objectively wrong no matter how you try to twist it or argue for sport. You’re certifiably insane with your mental gymnastics.


I fail to see how poster could possibly embarrass him or herself by debating the quality of a musician on an anonymous mommy board.

But otherwise you are right. Based on the one karaoke performance at an SNL after party and a Rolling Stone magazine cover, it’s obvious that Paul McCartney is blown away by Taylor’s great musical talent. He clearly wishes that he could have collaborated with her instead of John Lennon. You can see that Stevie Nicks wishes the same, too, from her Grammy performance, as dictated to her by the organizers of the Grammy awards. Dolly, you can tell, from her comments, just wishes she could be Taylor.

In fact, it’s surprising that all of these older performers haven’t committed a mass suicide in their shame of not reaching the great musical heights of Taylor.

No little kids or future kids should bother trying to take music lessons or sing. Taylor is the best it can be and no one will ever be as good. Music is over. Taylor perfected it and everyone else should step away.

And if you don’t agree, you’re an ugly, jealous hater.

Feel better, now?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Swift doesn't have to do anything other than be seen outside for it to be a public spectacle. She doesn't need to drum up her own interest. You can't blame that on her. She's not like the Kardashians who create their own over exposure at every possible moment then say they deserve privacy.

DP. I like Taylor but this is just so naive. Of course she doesn’t have to but she absolutely does drum up interest in her projects in various ways just like every other entertainer. We have seen when she was in her folklore era how rarely she was spotted. I think she is very smart in how she does things and seems to be focused on maximizing press when she has a project coming out (like with the Travis relationship and her film) or when she is helping her friends (like when she was conspicuously papped with Sophie turner after Joe tried to trash her). Even if you look at how she has handled he re-recordings. When she changed lyrics in “all to well” to make it even clearer it was about Jake G the resulting press around that helps drive streams of her version.
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