Feds what is higher - chief or associate director?

[Anonymous]

I have interviews for a chief position and another for associate director. What's generally considered a higher rank? Based on pay scale they seem to be nearly identical..Is there a rank in terms of title? It matters to me.

[Anonymous]

Why don’t you google the org charts and find out yourself

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why don’t you google the org charts and find out yourself

I mean the office for associate director position is above the chief position, but it doesn't clarify that much since the pay range is the same. I assume a higher rank in a lower office is a bigger title than a lower rank in a higher office? It's hard to say which one is a higher rank because the grade is the same.

[Anonymous]

Does the chief’s org report to the AD? Then the AD is higher. But NO ONE is ever impressed by an AD or a DAD. They are a dime a dozen and quite often just get in the way. Pay range is not super important because a lot of it depends on when you made SES and not where you are on the chart.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does the chief’s org report to the AD? Then the AD is higher. But NO ONE is ever impressed by an AD or a DAD. They are a dime a dozen and quite often just get in the way. Pay range is not super important because a lot of it depends on when you made SES and not where you are on the chart.

DAD? Division associate director?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does the chief’s org report to the AD? Then the AD is higher. But NO ONE is ever impressed by an AD or a DAD. They are a dime a dozen and quite often just get in the way. Pay range is not super important because a lot of it depends on when you made SES and not where you are on the chart.

DAD? Division associate director?

Deputy

[Anonymous]

Chief of what? Director of what? So very little info.

Director of secret service? Chief of the border?

[Anonymous]

Love the many ways to say "not quite." At our agency we've had an acting principal deputy assistant director

[Anonymous]

Chief at my place is branch chief or office chief so not that high up. ADs are above them.

Unless by chief you mean CFO or COO.

[Anonymous]

The term chief is appropriating Native American culture, you should avoid the position.

[Anonymous]

Deputy director is normally #2 and the chiefs report to them.

That being said they have very different feels. The chief will have hundreds of people under them and manage them all. Basically their own little fiefdom. The deputy director manages more on a higher level with other agencies and other entities.

[Anonymous]

It depends entirely on the particular agency and how they label all the titles.

[Anonymous]

Isn't the important thing the GS-level and therefore pay?

[Anonymous]

At my agency, the Associate Director is the equivalent of a branch chief in other places.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Isn't the important thing the GS-level and therefore pay?

No because both are SES. SES pay depends on how long you’ve been an SES