Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What happens when a child is held back a year?
Alas, data on kids of equally poor academic standing shows that retaining that student is WORSE than promoting forward. And, of course, promoting forward without supports is WORSE than providing supports.
No one provides enough supports.
If you retain kids once and they still don't learn, then you have to retain again and again. No one has a plan for remediation, so it is better to just keep promoting and eventually hope the child will drop out of school.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I graduated in 1994 and was pushed through year after year. In high school teachers gave me answers to tests (to the point that one year I wrote the teacher's name on the test instead of mine because I was so disgusted by the amount of "help" I was being given - I got accused of trying to get her fired), and in a couple of cases on big important tests gave me credit I didn't deserve so I'd pass the overall tests.
Maybe this is why I don't respect formal education.
Why were you pushed through? And why were you failing?
Anonymous wrote:What happens when a child is held back a year?
Alas, data on kids of equally poor academic standing shows that retaining that student is WORSE than promoting forward. And, of course, promoting forward without supports is WORSE than providing supports.
Anonymous wrote:Students who are retained in elementary school don't generally catch up. They may seem less behind for the first year or so, but their progress after the retention is slower than it was before, so they continue to lose ground.
They are more likely than students with the same profile who are promoted to end up dropping out, and are more likely to leave school functionally illiterate.
If your goal is to have middle schoolers who can read then you need to look for interventions that have been shown to produce that outcome, not interventions that produce the opposite.
I had a student a few years ago who did not hand in a single written assignment or hw all year. His average for the year was a 27, only bc he did ok on some of the tests. I knew him in 6th grade and he was a B/C student but he failed every course every quarter in 8th grade. We tried numerous interventions as well as counseling support, parents protested every one, principal refused to stand up to his parents and the boy moved on to high school.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm a teacher and I've have kids who have failed every subject. You would think that would make them automatically fail the grade and have to repeat it. You would be wrong. Some of those kids will not be retained and will move on to the next grade against his/her teachers' objections.
Is this because of "no child left behind?"
I am the teacher who posted this. It is mostly because our principal makes the final call and can only hold back a certain number of students. It is ridiculous and chances are, the same thing will happen the following year.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes but all they are giving kids is needs improvement and not an F grade. I'm wondering if they just push the kid up to the next grade instead of failing them?
You mean repeat a grade? I think it would depend on the school. It also isn't the worse thing in the world if a kid needs to repeat.
There is a lot of research that makes it clear that retention of elementary school students causes lasting damage.
So does graduating as functionally illiterate.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes but all they are giving kids is needs improvement and not an F grade. I'm wondering if they just push the kid up to the next grade instead of failing them?
You mean repeat a grade? I think it would depend on the school. It also isn't the worse thing in the world if a kid needs to repeat.
There is a lot of research that makes it clear that retention of elementary school students causes lasting damage.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes but all they are giving kids is needs improvement and not an F grade. I'm wondering if they just push the kid up to the next grade instead of failing them?
You mean repeat a grade? I think it would depend on the school. It also isn't the worse thing in the world if a kid needs to repeat.
There is a lot of research that makes it clear that retention of elementary school students causes lasting damage.
Anonymous wrote:I graduated in 1994 and was pushed through year after year. In high school teachers gave me answers to tests (to the point that one year I wrote the teacher's name on the test instead of mine because I was so disgusted by the amount of "help" I was being given - I got accused of trying to get her fired), and in a couple of cases on big important tests gave me credit I didn't deserve so I'd pass the overall tests.
Maybe this is why I don't respect formal education.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes but all they are giving kids is needs improvement and not an F grade. I'm wondering if they just push the kid up to the next grade instead of failing them?
You mean repeat a grade? I think it would depend on the school. It also isn't the worse thing in the world if a kid needs to repeat.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm a teacher and I've have kids who have failed every subject. You would think that would make them automatically fail the grade and have to repeat it. You would be wrong. Some of those kids will not be retained and will move on to the next grade against his/her teachers' objections.
Is this because of "no child left behind?"
I am the teacher who posted this. It is mostly because our principal makes the final call and can only hold back a certain number of students. It is ridiculous and chances are, the same thing will happen the following year.