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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The piece is well-sourced, and each data point probably is true and verifiable, but the dots are strung together in a weird way that doesn't totally make sense. Given a set of facts, you can create multiple narratives that fit. That doesn't make any particular narrative true. I don't buy the "shock to the system" thing because there is still no evidence that we are being distracted from something. And as someone who works in government, [b]this just seems like actions taken by people who do not understand how government works.[/b] Being President is not like being CEO, where you just order something and it's done. These clowns are definitely evil but they also are ignorant of the bureaucracy, legal framework, political system, etc etc that they are dealing with. The courts will keep them in check, even if some aspects of the EO remain, and congress will step in eventually too when they realize the political/institutional risk of enabling him is greater than the gain. And 2018 will be a bloodbath.[/quote] This is where I think you are wrong. They certainly DO understand how government works and they are purposefully testing it. The courts DID try to keep them in check and DHS defied the courts - you really do not see that as deliberate and with purpose? [/quote] Exactly. You're trying to tell me they deleted the Judicial Branch from the White House website on January 20th as a kind of oops? [/quote] Does the actual judicial branch disappear when the website gets taken down? The courts are slow, and if CBP keeps defying orders the ACLU should and probably will file to find them in contempt. Judges may send out the federal marshals, who knows. But the bottom line is the three branches of government have real power over each other, they just have to use it, and eventually they will. Trump can't make Congress and the courts go away. If they understood how government works they would've had professionals draft the EO with OLC oversight and coordinated with the agencies responsible for implementation to avoid the mass confusion and chaos of the weekend. It would've been a shitty EO but legally tight, pissing people off but leaving them mostly with no options to fight back. There are parts of that EO that *will* hold up in court, after all. But by fucking it up overall both on substance and process they left themselves incredibly vulnerable to public outrage and legal challenges, and they created political space for Republicans to push back. Chaos only works for them if they are still in control, but they gave up that control by being sloppy and overreaching.[/quote] That's what it looks like to the left, who wants to see him as incompetent. But to the right it looks like power. He passed it quickly, he said F you to the judges, he fired the AG.[/quote] He's giving the people that elected him exactly what he said he would. Shumer crying on TV and a bunch of lefty lawyers screaming about the civil rights of refugees is not going to win the mid terms. [/quote]
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