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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]"A lot of these folks X" -> stereotyping a whole race based on experiences with a very small number -> racist. If you got mugged by an African-American, would you go around talking about how black people are thugs?[/quote] DP. The person above is not stereotyping an entire race with that comment. The fact that there are a large number of upper-middle class and "wealthy" Asians who are attempting to protect their prior privileged access to an exceptional academic opportunity says nothing about Asians more broadly. The fact that by and large, they are not publicly joined by members of other races (except occasionally by people who are married to Asians acting in the self interest of their biracial children or Asian stepchildren) is what permits the person above to refer to the group as "Asian". It is Asians who are making this argument publicly, but it is far from [i]all[/i] Asians.[/quote] There is a school similar to TJ in NYC where they also tried to change the admissions criteria for similar reasons. The school was almost 80% asian and they talked about how asian families were buying their way into the school. Then it was pointed out that asians have a higher poverty rate than blacks or hispanics in NYC because they are all immigrants. Most of the asian students were on free/reduced lunch, a higher propiortion than the school in general which was about 40% free/reduced lunch. Money has nothing to do with it, it's all about race. If money is what gets you into tj, there would have been more white kids. White people in northern virginia are wealthier than asians and yet the biggest absolute increase in population under the new admissions process was among white students. It is clear that some parents want their kids to get great opportunities but [b]don't necessarily want their kids to stress out and bust their ass to earn them.[/b][/quote] Counter-point: the previous admissions process was incentivizing behavior that took "stressing out" and "busting your ass" to a deeply unhealthy level for many students, who would then get in to TJ and crash hard. It wouldn't appear that they were crashing hard because of the sheer volume of external support they were receiving, but the evidence came in the form of self-harming behavior.[/quote] The previous method was competitive and merit based. The current method looks pretty random. Allocating social resources based on merit might create more stress but it also leads to more efficient allocation. Academic stress happens everywhere, if those kids don't get into tj, their parents don't give up on their kids. The academic stress is still there. [b]It's not like tj has the highest suicide rate in the area[/b].[/quote] Sure it does not. But is the idea behind admitting under-qualified 8th grade algebra 1 students and setting them up to face TJ rigor and inhumanely subject them to stress?[/quote] There have ALWAYS been Algebra 1 students who got into TJ. Indeed, for most of the school’s early existence, the majority of students entering were coming in from Alg1. Some of the school’s most outstanding graduates, even in recent years, have entered from Alg1. But you’re going to sit here and pretend that you care about them and their well-being as an excuse to advance your pernicious self-serving narrative that TJ should only be for kids who are in Geometry or higher - or that kids who are in Pre-calc or above should be automatic admits. Alg1 TJ students do not need your support. They have been doing splendidly and will continue to do so while you cry your crocodile tears. Enough already with this nonsense.[/quote] In the years ( 2020, 2019, etc.) right before admissions change, were the algebra 1 students more than 20+ and with the admissions change (2021) that count went upto 130+?[/quote] algebra1 offers were 4%, after admissions change it's almost 30%. [/quote] What is the tactical advantage for algebra1 students to join freshman TJ class that has peers two years ahead? [/quote] Going to TJ and the classes there. There's no 2 years ahead, the freshmen all take Bio and English 9 and the sophomores all take Chem (or possibly AP Bio) and English 10, etc. Being in a different math class is just a different math class, not ahead. May allow Physics in 11th instead of 12th. Is that a tactical advantage in your opinion?[/quote] Top quarter is two years ahead having completed Geometry and Algebra 2. The question was what are the advantages for algebra 1 students enrolling with peers that are two year ahead? The disadvantages have been outlined numerous times here already, starting with not being able to take calculus based physics, or any of the advanced courses beyond and including basic Calc BC unless they skipped math levels, not being able to participate in competitive stem teams that need advanced math, etc. [b]Sure they benefit from peer to peer learning, collaborative learning, etc. what about competitive college admissions, student confidence, etc....?[/b][/quote] It might surprise you to find out that for these students, access to peer to peer learning and collaboration has a [b]strongly positive impact[/b] on competitive college admissions and student confidence. It might also surprise you to learn that the vast majority of students at TJ do not study physics at a level that is inaccessible to students that take Algebra in 8th grade. They never have. It's always been a relatively small cohort and it will continue to be so. The area that's overloaded at TJ is CS and AI, and that's going to continue to be the case for the foreseeable future. You need to stop pretending like a primary concern for you is for the kids who are, in your view, "coming in behind their peers". The culture of the school is moving away from the stratification and comparison ethic that it used to have.[/quote]
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