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[quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele] What do you see as the solution? One side wants to raise taxes and spread cuts evenly. The other side refuses to raise taxes and wants the cuts to be aimed at the old, the sick, and the poor. Where is the middle ground? [/quote] i guess first, lets put things up for a vote. everything shouldnt start and end in negotiations that then go to votes. if the house has passed their BS, let the senate put it up for a vote and lets see what happens. obama can veto so theres nothing to be scared about. id probably start there. have the senate vote and pass a budget. any budget and see what happens there. the bottom line is i want action. i am more inclined to assign blame on one party/person/etc knowing that they put forth any sort of effort to do something to no avail. for example, i blame the republicans for holding up the hagel nomination. what was the point of holding things up if there was no end game? i guess obama has tried to do something but to me he's just talking and blowing hot air. the real issue is congress to me. put things up for votes and stop posturing and grand standing. folks are more concerned about running to a microphone to trash each other than actually governing. my ultimate beef is with congress at the end of the day. obama has angered me somewhat as well but i hate congress with a passion now. what are your ideas to resolve this? [/quote] One thing to clarify about what you said above. The House passed two bills, but that was in the last Congress and they have expired. There is actually no viable bill for the Senate to vote on today. However, it is my understanding that the Senate will vote on a bill or bills of their own this week. I think you have to look at this in terms of what has happened in the past. When Obama first came into office, he thought he could go to Congress with a deal that had some of what they want and some of what he wants and they could get something done. He quickly found out that the Republicans would immediately reject any idea that came out of his lips -- even if it had previously been their idea. Next, with the debt ceiling limit deal that led to the sequester deal we have now, Obama tried a more traditional negotiating tactic. Though he wanted revenue at that point, he negotiated revenues away. He also accepted higher cuts then he had originally wanted. That led to Boehner telling the press that he had received 89% of what he wanted in the deal. Most people, including me, thought Obama got rolled. You can find a thread here in which an Obamabot and I got into a big fight because of my criticism of the President. Now, the President has decided to take his case to the people. Trying to deal fairly with the Republicans hasn't worked. Trying to bargain in a traditional give and take manner hasn't worked. Maybe getting the public behind him will work. That remains to be seen. One thing you have to remember is that Obama controls the executive branch. Predictions of hour-long waits at airports for security may be exaggerations, but Obama can makes those waits a reality with a simple phone call. The administration can start cutting back on visible public services and the Republicans can say it isn't justified as much as they want. Pressure will increase on them to make a deal. I think the Republicans are waiting to see if Obama really has it in him to play that kind of hard ball. I think he does. Public pressure will not only strengthen Obama's hand, but will strengthen Boehner's hand vis-a-vis the Teahadists. The ultimate solutions seems pretty obvious. The Republicans will compromise and allow some tax loopholes to be closed, Obama will offer up some SS and Medicare reforms (something he has been begging to do for reasons I don't understand) and there will be cuts on both the domestic and military sides. An alternative outcome which is bit less likely is that Congress will simply repeal the sequester and hope everyone just forgets about it. They will establish some sort of deficit reduction committee or other kind of charade to hide the fact that they abandoned deficit reduction. [/quote]
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