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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Interesting piece by Daniel Hoffman in the NYT asserting that the Russians were not trying to collude with the Trumps to influence the outcome of the election but rather were deliberately trying to leave bread crumbs to undermine the legitimacy of the American President by arranging the meeting with Don Trump, Jr. Likewise, the Russians undermined Hillary's prospective presidential legitimacy by leaking emails apparently showing a rigged Democratic primary against Bernie. It would be nice if Mr. Trump would unequivocally acknowledge the Russian meddling and also if fair minded Democrats and objective commentators in the mainstream media would promote unity by focusing on the Russian threat to future elections instead of chasing conspiracy theories that will not lead to impeachment or criminal convictions. There is no way the Russians would have colluded with the people sitting today in the West Wing. Those folks do not even know how to collude with each to get any significant legislation passed through a Congress controlled by their own party. We need health care reform in this country and it is not going to happen if we keep giving victories to the Russians in their influence campaign. Trump will be distracted and defensive and Democrats will continue to reflexively resist while the people get hurt. Sad![/quote] The problem with the thesis are some facts: -everyone involved seems to have lied about 1) russian money and 2) various and multiple meetings -why was Kysliak brought into Trump Tower via a back door and service elevator rather than the front door in December? -Why was everyone lying about the April Mayflower meeting? -Why was everyone lying about the June Trump Tower meeting? -Why has Trump repeatedly said "no Russia deals" when in fact there are hundreds of Russia deals? -Why did Trump meet with Putin one on one without the other safties and protocols in place? -Why did Trump share USIC secrets with the Russian in the Oval Office? The list goes on and on...[/quote] A lot of innuendo there. Sessions seems to have forgotten some inconsequential meetings. He is an older guy. That is plausible. Donald Jr. provided accurate but incomplete information to the NY Times. That is not a crime. A lot of people were brought in through the back door for Trump Tower. Nothing wrong with being discreet. Not everyone wants to be photographed by the media. Trump apparently chatted with Putin at a large dinner event when he was going to get Melania. That is hardly a secret meeting. Trump is the president. He can share information with foreign leaders if he deems it appropriate. Mueller is reportedly looking at the financial issues. There is still zero evidence of collusion.[/quote]
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