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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Israel has slaughtered 32,000 Palestinians since 10/7. Congratulations to Israel, Bibi and the Zionists for turning the world against Jews. [/quote] Nobody should be against Jews. People can and should hate the Zionists all they want, but let's never judge anyone based on their religion or ethnicity. Zionists have perverted Judaism for personal gain and power and have weaponized it to dehumanize and massacre Palestinians. Zionism is undoubtedly a hideous and racist creed, but please, let's recognize the difference between Jews and Zionists. Many Jews hate Zionism. [/quote] Well, when are Jews going to oust Bibi and his right wing religious minions? [/quote] Chuck Schumer, the most powerful Jew in American politics called for his ouster in a compelling and passionate speech. Sadly I'm not hearing a damn thing similar to that from powerful and influential Muslims calling for the ouster of Hamas leadership.[/quote] I mean, isn't Israel supposedly ousting Hamas and its leadership? Or is that goal no longer on the agenda?[/quote] You seem confused. It's the Gazans who should be calling for the ouster of Hamas. And doing so would bring much faster humanitarian aid and relief. [/quote] The Palestinians have no homes, no food or water, no electricity, no phones or internet and they are surrounded by trigger happy Israelis and Hamas. How does your suggestion work?[/quote] That's their choice, given 71% said they are good with Hamas's bloody massacre on 10/7. Had Hamas not launched that attack, Gazans would still be in their homes with food, water, electricity, and everything else. For all of the "yeah but" there's no getting around that. [/quote] Do you also subscribe to the “she was asking for it” theory of rape? [/quote] How completely idiotic - that's a totally wrong analogy. Hamas has launched thousands of rockets at Israel over the last several years, which would have killed many thousands, were it not for the Iron Dome. And then Hamas launched a violent assault, massacring or kidnapping civilians right and left. When you punch someone in the face and break their nose, and then that person whose nose you broke comes back with a group of friends to break your nose in return, it's NOT EVEN REMOTELY a "she asked for it because of how she was dressed" situation.[/quote] Except you seem to be overlooking the part where you're coming back with a group of friends to not just punch them in the nose (that would be a proportional response), but murdering, maiming or otherwise harming them and everyone they know, destroying their homes and possessions, and forcibly stealing their land by permanently displacing them. And that's just to this point - who knows what devious plans you have in the future? I know proportional responses are not in your playbook because "how dare they even think to fight back!" is the Israeli ethos, but seriously - you really have a warped sense of the world around you.[/quote] How many Palestinians did Israel kidnap or massacre in the 2 years prior to 10/7? Do you think 10/7 was proportionate? (it wasn't - it was a hugely disproportionate attack by Hamas). Not to mention the thousands of rockets fired by Hamas which would have killed tens of thousands of Israelis if they hadn't been shot down by Iron Dome. [/quote] Thanks for ignoring the THOUSANDS of Palestinians Israel killed prior to the 10/7. It's like only Jewish lives matter to you genocide deniers. [/quote] I guess it's only fair if pro-Palestinians want to continually deny the Jewish genocide in WWII and centuries of other atrocities committed against Jews... I guess it's only fair if pro-Palestinians want to continually deny and ignore all of the things that precipitated Arab-Israeli wars and the repeated instances of genocidal attacks going back to the very day that Israel was partitioned. [/quote] The Jewish genocide in WWII was caused by the Germans. It had nothing to do with the Palestinians. That’s the whole problem. The Palestinians are forced to pay for the German (and European and US who rejected Jewish refugees after the war)’s sins. [/quote] Well you have to admit there was also that little bit of the Palestinians repeatedly trying to drive the Jews off of the lands they had been given by international treaty and repeatedly trying to exterminate them. [/quote] International treaty between whom? The Palestinians/Arabs were not signatories of that treaty. I think you mean UN Resolution 181. The Nakba had already begun by then.[/quote] What was the legal standing of the Palestinians/Arabs? Remember, the Palestinians/Arabs weren't in charge and hadn't been for a very very long time. Remember that they had lost sovereignty and control to the Turks hundreds of years prior, and then to the Allies in WWI who captured Palestine from the Ottomans. They lacked a sovereign mandate for dictating the terms. Just because you didn't sign doesn't mean it doesn't apply to you or that you aren't beholden to it. Claiming otherwise would be like that stupid "Sovereign Citizen" crap that people try pulling. [/quote] Actually that was news to the Arabs- they went as a political entity and allied themselves with the Allies against the Ottomans in order to gain self governance & sovereignty. you can say they were naive that they believed the British wouldn't colonize them and I completely agree that they should've taken the partition plan and listened to the Muslim leaders who warned them against selling land to European emigres. I do feel sorrow for them in the same way I feel sorrow for all native victims of colonization who were pushed off their lands and out of their homes and lets be real- democracy will have completely failed and the world will be back to fuedallism within our children's lifetimes so we should feel this sadness for powerless people. its awful when eminent domain and the powers that be push a people around but people should also bow down and accept their weakness and just live, the alternative is too brutal. there is absolutely no point in resistance to the powerful unless you are willing to live with horrific violence for generations. It's better to just take your losses and live your small life of peace in whatever place you can find refuge, the United States is full of people who have made this choice. [/quote]
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