Current CES class: only one kid got into a magnet MS

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Many of us have ancestors who survived the Cultural Revolution in China or the Communist revolution and its aftermath in Russia. We are all too familiar what it means to live in a society where your career prospects depend on how Jewish you look or whether your parents are too educated to be trustworthy in a new social order.

This is nothing in comparison. Our ancestors survived, and our children's careers and futures will somehow survive. But yea, don't bother with your propaganda.



Glad you learned not to step on anyone on your way up.


The only reason you are even in the way is because the system is rigged. You may push my kid out of some special program because my family is too white or too Asian or too middle class or lives in a safe part of the county, but long term my kid has actual knowledge anf yours only inherited hot air from you.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My kids went through the Mcps magnet programs in years past. My youngest is in magnet HS and my heart aches for the high performing students who are being rejected because of essentially racial politics in MCPS. So sorry. Remember this and translate it into action when you have the opportunity to be able to influence employment, promotion and internships. Be color blind and pick the best candidate. Do the due diligence and make sure that you are not fulfilling some extreme version of racial agenda.


Is a high performing student who spent the summer in magnet test prep courses funded by his/her professor parents a better candidate than an almost as high performing student with a single parent and no test prep? The best candidate, imho, will always be the one who has done the most with the least. It's not simply test scores - though maybe you didn't mean that?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
My kids went through the Mcps magnet programs in years past. My youngest is in magnet HS and my heart aches for the high performing students who are being rejected because of essentially racial politics in MCPS. So sorry. Remember this and translate it into action when you have the opportunity to be able to influence employment, promotion and internships. Be color blind and pick the best candidate. Do the due diligence and make sure that you are not fulfilling some extreme version of racial agenda.



You really think that the previous system of considering only those who applied was the way to "pick the best candidates"?


In all the one million threads and posts about MCPS's magnet boondoggle I have never once heard any parent on either side object to universal testing. What people object to is the intentionally racially biased new criteria for selecting among those applicants but you know that perfectly well. Its an academic program and the seats should go to the kids who perform the highest.

You just don't want the highest performing students in the magnets because they are mostly asian students. It terrifies some white people that their kids will be measured against another minority group that outperforms them every single time. If white students were the top performers you wouldn't feel this way. You might open up a few more seats for lower SES AA or Latino students but you wouldn't be wringing your hands that there were too many white kids.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
My kids went through the Mcps magnet programs in years past. My youngest is in magnet HS and my heart aches for the high performing students who are being rejected because of essentially racial politics in MCPS. So sorry. Remember this and translate it into action when you have the opportunity to be able to influence employment, promotion and internships. Be color blind and pick the best candidate. Do the due diligence and make sure that you are not fulfilling some extreme version of racial agenda.



You really think that the previous system of considering only those who applied was the way to "pick the best candidates"?


In all the one million threads and posts about MCPS's magnet boondoggle I have never once heard any parent on either side object to universal testing. What people object to is the intentionally racially biased new criteria for selecting among those applicants but you know that perfectly well. Its an academic program and the seats should go to the kids who perform the highest.

You just don't want the highest performing students in the magnets because they are mostly asian students. It terrifies some white people that their kids will be measured against another minority group that outperforms them every single time. If white students were the top performers you wouldn't feel this way. You might open up a few more seats for lower SES AA or Latino students but you wouldn't be wringing your hands that there were too many white kids.


I feel like the same arguments get hashed out over and over, so let me sing the same part of this opera that I've been singing all along. There are more Asians OUTSIDE the "high performing" middle schools than there are INSIDE. The only folks being "hurt" by this system (if you can define attending one of the best resourced and highest performing middle schools as hurt) are those who chose to live in highly segregated communities.

Because the admissions are race blind, folks in integrated communities have a slight advantage regardless of race. If this is so untenable and unfair, then maybe it will be the thing that finally kicks middle class white and Asian families into integrated neighborhoods.
Anonymous
The only thing it will do is to decimate the magnets of the talented students. Effectively, starting with class of 2022, TPMS and Clemente no longer exist. Buildings are there, teachers are there for the time bring, student body is inferior, results will be as expected. By 2025 or so, Blair Magnet and RMIB will also stop existing. I can only hope someone - SOMEONE - is preserving the curriculum.
Anonymous
My DC is in a DCC CES and did not get into either magnet, though there were kids from his home school that did. I am most concerned about the social disruption going into middle school. He truly thrived academically in the CES and came home almost every day pumped up about something he learned. He also made a nice group of friends, and I can't see them sticking together as they'll be in different schools. However, his CogAT percentiles were not outstanding, so we have no grounds to complain of unfairness. Though I wish there were more spots because clearly there are plenty of kids who would benefit from the magnet but didn't get in.
Anonymous
“Is a high performing student who spent the summer in magnet test prep courses funded by his/her professor parents a better candidate than an almost as high performing student with a single parent and no test prep? The best candidate, imho, will always be the one who has done the most with the least. It's not simply test scores - though maybe you didn't mean that?”

How on earth the selection committee know who is “spending whole summer doing test prep” and who’s patent is a single parent? Just looking at their home middle school?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Is a high performing student who spent the summer in magnet test prep courses funded by his/her professor parents a better candidate than an almost as high performing student with a single parent and no test prep? The best candidate, imho, will always be the one who has done the most with the least. It's not simply test scores - though maybe you didn't mean that?”

How on earth the selection committee know who is “spending whole summer doing test prep” and who’s patent is a single parent? Just looking at their home middle school?

Funny you should say that, because last year, during CES admission, two kids who got in from my child's school, were exactly that - prepped to death children who'd spent the summer in test prep.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Many of us have ancestors who survived the Cultural Revolution in China or the Communist revolution and its aftermath in Russia. We are all too familiar what it means to live in a society where your career prospects depend on how Jewish you look or whether your parents are too educated to be trustworthy in a new social order.

This is nothing in comparison. Our ancestors survived, and our children's careers and futures will somehow survive. But yea, don't bother with your propaganda.



Glad you learned not to step on anyone on your way up.


The only reason you are even in the way is because the system is rigged. You may push my kid out of some special program because my family is too white or too Asian or too middle class or lives in a safe part of the county, but long term my kid has actual knowledge anf yours only inherited hot air from you.

Oh snap!
Anonymous
I’m sorry there are limited seats and housands of applicants. Admission to the magnets is competitive but making baseless excuses that are unfounded is ugly. Spreading the idea that there is a racial bias without a shred of evidence is uglier.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I’m sorry there are limited seats and housands of applicants. Admission to the magnets is competitive but making baseless excuses that are unfounded is ugly. Spreading the idea that there is a racial bias without a shred of evidence is uglier.


+1 I agree, the main problem is that there are MANY students who would qualify for the magnets, but not nearly enough seats to serve them all. I wish they offered the CES programming at every home school, and served more students with it. Since there are NOT enough seats, the process by which they choose who gets a limited commodity is merely a surface issue. I think its good that they do things to give kids who are more disadvantaged a better shot at getting in.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’m sorry there are limited seats and housands of applicants. Admission to the magnets is competitive but making baseless excuses that are unfounded is ugly. Spreading the idea that there is a racial bias without a shred of evidence is uglier.


+1 I agree, the main problem is that there are MANY students who would qualify for the magnets, but not nearly enough seats to serve them all. I wish they offered the CES programming at every home school, and served more students with it. Since there are NOT enough seats, the process by which they choose who gets a limited commodity is merely a surface issue. I think its good that they do things to give kids who are more disadvantaged a better shot at getting in.


Amen!
Anonymous
More kids are being tested so your chances are that much lower. Some of the stats posted in the other threads are not even impressive. Your kids are not special. Even a straight 99 kid will do fine in a regular public middle school. I do not feel sorry for smart kids in a middle school with a bunch of other equally smart kids. Give me a break.

The program as it was on previous years was idiotic. Only testing kids whose parents requested testing? All those kids were zoned for the same middle school! It made no sense. That’s not a magnet program.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:My kids went through the Mcps magnet programs in years past. My youngest is in magnet HS and my heart aches for the high performing students who are being rejected because of essentially racial politics in MCPS. So sorry. Remember this and translate it into action when you have the opportunity to be able to influence employment, promotion and internships. Be color blind and pick the best candidate. Do the due diligence and make sure that you are not fulfilling some extreme version of racial agenda.


I used to think like this until I read Michelle Obamas book. You need to enlighten yourself.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:The only thing it will do is to decimate the magnets of the talented students. Effectively, starting with class of 2022, TPMS and Clemente no longer exist. Buildings are there, teachers are there for the time bring, student body is inferior, results will be as expected. By 2025 or so, Blair Magnet and RMIB will also stop existing. I can only hope someone - SOMEONE - is preserving the curriculum.


Uh oh. I wonder where my kid's been these past two years. Excuse me, I have to go check.
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