White flight from MCPS

Anonymous
I work in a diverse elementary school and the only kids I see leave for private have learning disabilities or behavioral needs. My kids are white and none of their friends have left for private in the past 10 years. So my anecdote is as good as yours.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Almost everyone in MoCo today has immigrants in their familial past. Just some more recently than others.


Mine came here legally many years ago. Your point?


DP. Mine came here legally many years ago, because when they arrived, there was no such thing as illegal immigration for people coming from the part of the world my immigrant forebears came from. All you had to do to be a legal immigrant from that part of the world was arrive.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I work in a diverse elementary school and the only kids I see leave for private have learning disabilities or behavioral needs. My kids are white and none of their friends have left for private in the past 10 years. So my anecdote is as good as yours.


I have an anecdote too! My non-Hispanic white kid is at a diverse high school, where most students are Black and/or Latino, because most residents in the area are Black and/or Latino. There, now we have 3 anecdotes.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I work in a diverse elementary school and the only kids I see leave for private have learning disabilities or behavioral needs. My kids are white and none of their friends have left for private in the past 10 years. So my anecdote is as good as yours.


What's the income level at that school? What % is FARMS?
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:I work in a diverse elementary school and the only kids I see leave for private have learning disabilities or behavioral needs. My kids are white and none of their friends have left for private in the past 10 years. So my anecdote is as good as yours.


I have an anecdote too! My non-Hispanic white kid is at a diverse high school, where most students are Black and/or Latino, because most residents in the area are Black and/or Latino. There, now we have 3 anecdotes.

Almost up to anecdata!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Almost everyone in MoCo today has immigrants in their familial past. Just some more recently than others.


Mine are first generation immigrants! But we came here legally and followed the processes in place.

There is a difference between legal immigration and unlimited illegal immigration. Please do not confuse the two. Despite what white people think, all of us immigrants are not the same.
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Anonymous wrote:I’m an elementary teacher. I am so thankful that my kids are in high school so they are almost out of the disaster known as MCPS. If they were in elementary I would have to find a way to send them to private. No children should have to attend some of these chaotic and unsafe schools. A student in the school I work at hit 18 (yes 18) students in one day in his class last week. Additionally he stuck several kids heads into trash cans. And this is not a one off. (Btw, don’t worry because I’m sure the half day in school suspension will really change things). How are kids supposed to learn when they are scared all the time?

I really wish that I could get out, but I’m too vested and will remain until I can retire. I don’t think it’s as much white flight as higher SES flight. If you have the means, you’re desperate to get out. As the whites traditionally have more means, you’re seeing a greater exodus. Just wish I could follow them…


This isnt an MCPS problem. It's happening all over the country right now. It's 100% a parenting problem. Parents do not raise their kids anymore. They rely on screens and schools to do it for them.


Parents rely on screens? Lol, have you spent anytime in a classroom lately? They spend half the day on a screen. If the problem is screens (and I’m not necessarily saying you’re wrong) the usage needs to be reduced at school too.

The biggest factors IMO is that schools are no longer allowed to discipline kids, and kids that used to be pulled out of mainstream classes are not anymore. The problem is just more visible to you now. Millennial parents aren’t necessarily any worse than boomer parents were.


What is this narrative that kids are on screens all day at school? I've worked in 5 different MCPS schools. I walk around on my preps and I don't see kids on screens. It is a rare occasion if I do. My classes don't use screens either. The only time is if they have free time, which with 43 minute classes, is a rarity. I know it might happen at SOME places, but again, I've been at 5 schools and the story has been consistently the same at all.


Go to any DCC high school. Those kids are on phones all day all the time.


DCC HS teacher here. This is absolutely true. Kids are glued to their phones all day long. It is a huge struggle every single day to get students to focus in class. My AP students are good about putting their phones away but kids in regular classes are completely impossible.
I am mad at MCPS that they won’t take a tough stance on phones.


It actually isn't true. They prohibit phone use at our DCC school and confiscate those that are used during school hours.


Plus - you are going to tell a teacher that "It isn't actually true"? Please... the need for some people to refute any criticism of their child's school is pathetic.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Almost everyone in MoCo today has immigrants in their familial past. Just some more recently than others.


This is totally irrelevant to the conversation. Admitting immigrants in the past doesn't obligate us to do it now. Especially at the level we have now, where the Percentage Foreign Born is at record levels.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I work in a diverse elementary school and the only kids I see leave for private have learning disabilities or behavioral needs. My kids are white and none of their friends have left for private in the past 10 years. So my anecdote is as good as yours.


I have an anecdote too! My non-Hispanic white kid is at a diverse high school, where most students are Black and/or Latino, because most residents in the area are Black and/or Latino. There, now we have 3 anecdotes.

What is your point? That there are white kids in diverse areas? Um, yeah. So?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I work in a diverse elementary school and the only kids I see leave for private have learning disabilities or behavioral needs. My kids are white and none of their friends have left for private in the past 10 years. So my anecdote is as good as yours.


What's the income level at that school? What % is FARMS?


About 50%. Not sure where you’re going with this.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Almost everyone in MoCo today has immigrants in their familial past. Just some more recently than others.


Mine are first generation immigrants! But we came here legally and followed the processes in place.

There is a difference between legal immigration and unlimited illegal immigration. Please do not confuse the two. Despite what white people think, all of us immigrants are not the same.


Good for you. For many people, it is basically impossible to come here legally.

Also, despite what you think, there are also immigrants who are white people.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Almost everyone in MoCo today has immigrants in their familial past. Just some more recently than others.


Mine are first generation immigrants! But we came here legally and followed the processes in place.

There is a difference between legal immigration and unlimited illegal immigration. Please do not confuse the two. Despite what white people think, all of us immigrants are not the same.


Good for you. For many people, it is basically impossible to come here legally.

Also, despite what you think, there are also immigrants who are white people.


So what? Are you saying that people who can’t get in legally are therefore entitled to come here illegally?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Almost everyone in MoCo today has immigrants in their familial past. Just some more recently than others.


Mine are first generation immigrants! But we came here legally and followed the processes in place.

There is a difference between legal immigration and unlimited illegal immigration. Please do not confuse the two. Despite what white people think, all of us immigrants are not the same.


Good for you. For many people, it is basically impossible to come here legally.

Also, despite what you think, there are also immigrants who are white people.


So what? Are you saying that people who can’t get in legally are therefore entitled to come here illegally?


I mean, this is an immigration policy issue, not an educational policy issue, but yes, it is reasonable to ask whether it's good public policy to make it impossible for most people immigrate legally, especially given that the US economy relies on immigrant labor.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:I work in a diverse elementary school and the only kids I see leave for private have learning disabilities or behavioral needs. My kids are white and none of their friends have left for private in the past 10 years. So my anecdote is as good as yours.


I have an anecdote too! My non-Hispanic white kid is at a diverse high school, where most students are Black and/or Latino, because most residents in the area are Black and/or Latino. There, now we have 3 anecdotes.

What is your point? That there are white kids in diverse areas? Um, yeah. So?


In the 1970s, almost everyone at this high school was white. Now, in 2023, only about 10% of the students are white and non-Hispanic. What has caused this large decrease in both the number and the fraction of white, non-Hispanic students at this high school?????????

(Hint: the answer is not "white flight.")
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Almost everyone in MoCo today has immigrants in their familial past. Just some more recently than others.


Mine are first generation immigrants! But we came here legally and followed the processes in place.

There is a difference between legal immigration and unlimited illegal immigration. Please do not confuse the two. Despite what white people think, all of us immigrants are not the same.


Good for you. For many people, it is basically impossible to come here legally.

Also, despite what you think, there are also immigrants who are white people.


So what? Are you saying that people who can’t get in legally are therefore entitled to come here illegally?


I mean, this is an immigration policy issue, not an educational policy issue, but yes, it is reasonable to ask whether it's good public policy to make it impossible for most people immigrate legally, especially given that the US economy relies on immigrant labor.


Montgomery County encourages an influx of illegal immigrants. This affects our schools. As such, it is most definitely now an educational policy issue. It affects the budget and it affects staffing. Definitely needs to be discussed and addressed instead of ignored.
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