Why did the cops charge in cuff the black kid, knees to the back???And the white kid gets to chill?

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Why be sad? Apparently black skin allows you to pick a fight and then have everyone defend you based on your skin color.



WTF? Apparently white skin allows you to fight also pick a fight and walk away from it. Both kids were wrong for fighting. No one is defending the fighting, you little a$$hole. We are debating the police response. Most likely the police did not see the beginning of the fight, otherwise, if they were on their job, they would have intervened before it got to the point that it did.

Why did they throw down, knee and handcuff the black kid, but not the white kid? Where is the fairness? Oh, I forgot, black kids are scary, oversized, animals, and look like grown men. All those kids look like their from the burbs, but only the black kid got cuffed.


I’m questioning the police response, not the actions of the kids.


The white kid was clearly not picking a fight. It was escalated step by step by the black kid. It doesn’t get any more clear cut then a person saying “let’s go outside”. If that kid gets cuffed then good riddance. Race really doesn't seem to be the main issue with this whole thing. The cops tackled the right kid who happened to be black. I am not a blind supported of racist, aggressive cops who are a problem in every city. Violent people should go to jail and this kid was choosing violence. Bullies suck.



The police doesn’t know who escalated anything at the point they intervene! Why are you guys focusing on the fight? The cops don’t hear that conversation, if they did, why didn’t they intervene before the fight started? You guys act like the cops were a part of the audience and heard the whole interaction.


Then handcuff both
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Anonymous wrote:They cuffed the person who committed assault. Watch the video.

Both kids were fighting and the cops charged in. They didn't see who started it.

And the white kid was on top when the cops charged in.


Maybe the cops saw the fight start before intervening? I just watched a video where one kid was the aggressor and the other kid defended himself.

Were you drunk? The white guy pushed the black kid first.


Actually the black kid was asking for a fight “let’s go outside right now” and then he pushed the arm of the white kid while saying “get your hand out of my face” and THEN the white kid shoved back. Then the first actual punch was thrown by the black kid. That makes the black kid the aggressor. It’s on video so I am not sure how you think any of this is refutable.


The white kid had his hands in the black kids face. That’s being the aggressor and starting a fight. Once you put your hands in someone else’s face you are ready to fight. You are just waiting for them to push your hand so you can swing first. [/quote
But he didn’t swing first. Before the hand in the face the black kid was asking to fight outside. How can you defend the kid asking to fight outside? How can someone pointing a finger at you be a clear provocation in your mind yet you have nothing to say about a person saying “let’s go outside”?


How can you assume the white kid didn’t provoke the black kid to get to the point where he said, let’s take this outside? Why would you put your fingers in someone’s face and when they smack your hand away you violently shove them back? How can you defend the white kid like he wasn’t looking to fight too? If he didn’t want to fight he would’ve left. They are both guilty and should’ve been treated equally.
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Anonymous wrote:The black kid on the ground was struggling.

That said, it is no excuse for arresting one and not the other.



So what about the white kid then standing up in a threatening manner? And once the cops had the knee on black kid’s back he wasn’t moving.


What specifically was threatening? Looks to me like just standing there waiting. No fists up, no foot forward, not moving erratically. Just standing and waiting.


He looks aggressive and scary to me. He just hit some repeatedly in public. He should be treated like the criminal he is.


He was assaulted and then fought in self defense. That is legal.


He was involved in a fight that he helped to start. He’s violent and enjoys hitting people.


Btw fighting is not illegal.

Assault is illegal.

The actual question is why did the white not not get handcuffed
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Anonymous wrote:This makes me really sad for black people, especially kids.


Why be sad? Apparently black skin allows you to pick a fight and then have everyone defend you based on your skin color.



WTF? Apparently white skin allows you to fight also pick a fight and walk away from it. Both kids were wrong for fighting. No one is defending the fighting, you little a$$hole. We are debating the police response. Most likely the police did not see the beginning of the fight, otherwise, if they were on their job, they would have intervened before it got to the point that it did.

Why did they throw down, knee and handcuff the black kid, but not the white kid? Where is the fairness? Oh, I forgot, black kids are scary, oversized, animals, and look like grown men. All those kids look like their from the burbs, but only the black kid got cuffed.


I’m questioning the police response, not the actions of the kids.


The white kid was clearly not picking a fight. It was escalated step by step by the black kid. It doesn’t get any more clear cut then a person saying “let’s go outside”. If that kid gets cuffed then good riddance. Race really doesn't seem to be the main issue with this whole thing. The cops tackled the right kid who happened to be black. I am not a blind supported of racist, aggressive cops who are a problem in every city. Violent people should go to jail and this kid was choosing violence. Bullies suck.



The police doesn’t know who escalated anything at the point they intervene! Why are you guys focusing on the fight? The cops don’t hear that conversation, if they did, why didn’t they intervene before the fight started? You guys act like the cops were a part of the audience and heard the whole interaction.


Then handcuff both


Exactly. And the white kid was bigger thus more intimidating.
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Anonymous wrote:They cuffed the person who committed assault. Watch the video.

Both kids were fighting and the cops charged in. They didn't see who started it.

And the white kid was on top when the cops charged in.


Maybe the cops saw the fight start before intervening? I just watched a video where one kid was the aggressor and the other kid defended himself.

Were you drunk? The white guy pushed the black kid first.


Actually the black kid was asking for a fight “let’s go outside right now” and then he pushed the arm of the white kid while saying “get your hand out of my face” and THEN the white kid shoved back. Then the first actual punch was thrown by the black kid. That makes the black kid the aggressor. It’s on video so I am not sure how you think any of this is refutable.


The white kid had his hands in the black kids face. That’s being the aggressor and starting a fight. Once you put your hands in someone else’s face you are ready to fight. You are just waiting for them to push your hand so you can swing first.


The white kid was responding to the black kid literally asking for a fight. He didn’t want to fight or else he would have gone outside to…fight. He just was mot backing down to a bully.

Bullies suck and I can’t believe that one gets a free pass just because they are black.


If he didn’t want to fight then he would’ve walked away. Just that simple. Instead he yells back and puts his hands in the black kids face. I get that white ppl think as long as they don’t touch someone it’s not a fight. But no, if you spit, yell, cuss someone out or put your hands in someone’s face that’s the signs your ready to fight.

You don’t know who is the bully. But you are quick to give the white kid a pass. You don’t know why the black kid said let’s take it outside or what provoked him.


Being ready to fight is not a crime. People should not be expected to back down from a bully.

The cops should probably have cuffed them both. Do we know that did not happen off video?
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Anonymous wrote:This makes me really sad for black people, especially kids.


Why be sad? Apparently black skin allows you to pick a fight and then have everyone defend you based on your skin color.



WTF? Apparently white skin allows you to fight also pick a fight and walk away from it. Both kids were wrong for fighting. No one is defending the fighting, you little a$$hole. We are debating the police response. Most likely the police did not see the beginning of the fight, otherwise, if they were on their job, they would have intervened before it got to the point that it did.

Why did they throw down, knee and handcuff the black kid, but not the white kid? Where is the fairness? Oh, I forgot, black kids are scary, oversized, animals, and look like grown men. All those kids look like their from the burbs, but only the black kid got cuffed.


I’m questioning the police response, not the actions of the kids.


The white kid was clearly not picking a fight. It was escalated step by step by the black kid. It doesn’t get any more clear cut then a person saying “let’s go outside”. If that kid gets cuffed then good riddance. Race really doesn't seem to be the main issue with this whole thing. The cops tackled the right kid who happened to be black. I am not a blind supported of racist, aggressive cops who are a problem in every city. Violent people should go to jail and this kid was choosing violence. Bullies suck.



The police doesn’t know who escalated anything at the point they intervene! Why are you guys focusing on the fight? The cops don’t hear that conversation, if they did, why didn’t they intervene before the fight started? You guys act like the cops were a part of the audience and heard the whole interaction.


Then handcuff both


Exactly. And the white kid was bigger thus more intimidating.


We use to handcuff everybody. People would get pissed we handcuffed “the girls” but I don’t know who has a knife. Everybody gets handcuffed until the situation is worked out.

This is clearly racist .
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Anonymous wrote:They cuffed the person who committed assault. Watch the video.

Both kids were fighting and the cops charged in. They didn't see who started it.

And the white kid was on top when the cops charged in.


Maybe the cops saw the fight start before intervening? I just watched a video where one kid was the aggressor and the other kid defended himself.

Were you drunk? The white guy pushed the black kid first.


Actually the black kid was asking for a fight “let’s go outside right now” and then he pushed the arm of the white kid while saying “get your hand out of my face” and THEN the white kid shoved back. Then the first actual punch was thrown by the black kid. That makes the black kid the aggressor. It’s on video so I am not sure how you think any of this is refutable.


The white kid had his hands in the black kids face. That’s being the aggressor and starting a fight. Once you put your hands in someone else’s face you are ready to fight. You are just waiting for them to push your hand so you can swing first.


The white kid was responding to the black kid literally asking for a fight. He didn’t want to fight or else he would have gone outside to…fight. He just was mot backing down to a bully.

Bullies suck and I can’t believe that one gets a free pass just because they are black.


If he didn’t want to fight then he would’ve walked away. Just that simple. Instead he yells back and puts his hands in the black kids face. I get that white ppl think as long as they don’t touch someone it’s not a fight. But no, if you spit, yell, cuss someone out or put your hands in someone’s face that’s the signs your ready to fight.

You don’t know who is the bully. But you are quick to give the white kid a pass. You don’t know why the black kid said let’s take it outside or what provoked him.


Being ready to fight is not a crime. People should not be expected to back down from a bully.

The cops should probably have cuffed them both. Do we know that did not happen off video?


They were mutual combatants which is barely a crime in NJ. Do those same cops cuff everyone who they see committing a misdemeanor?
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Anonymous wrote:They cuffed the person who committed assault. Watch the video.

Both kids were fighting and the cops charged in. They didn't see who started it.

And the white kid was on top when the cops charged in.


Maybe the cops saw the fight start before intervening? I just watched a video where one kid was the aggressor and the other kid defended himself.

Were you drunk? The white guy pushed the black kid first.


Actually the black kid was asking for a fight “let’s go outside right now” and then he pushed the arm of the white kid while saying “get your hand out of my face” and THEN the white kid shoved back. Then the first actual punch was thrown by the black kid. That makes the black kid the aggressor. It’s on video so I am not sure how you think any of this is refutable.


The white kid had his hands in the black kids face. That’s being the aggressor and starting a fight. Once you put your hands in someone else’s face you are ready to fight. You are just waiting for them to push your hand so you can swing first. [/quote
But he didn’t swing first. Before the hand in the face the black kid was asking to fight outside. How can you defend the kid asking to fight outside? How can someone pointing a finger at you be a clear provocation in your mind yet you have nothing to say about a person saying “let’s go outside”?


How can you assume the white kid didn’t provoke the black kid to get to the point where he said, let’s take this outside? Why would you put your fingers in someone’s face and when they smack your hand away you violently shove them back? How can you defend the white kid like he wasn’t looking to fight too? If he didn’t want to fight he would’ve left. They are both guilty and should’ve been treated equally.


If you smack my hand when I haven’t touched you then expect to get punched. Being shoved is the least you should expect. Fighting words are a legal provocation.
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Anonymous wrote:This makes me really sad for black people, especially kids.


Why be sad? Apparently black skin allows you to pick a fight and then have everyone defend you based on your skin color.



WTF? Apparently white skin allows you to fight also pick a fight and walk away from it. Both kids were wrong for fighting. No one is defending the fighting, you little a$$hole. We are debating the police response. Most likely the police did not see the beginning of the fight, otherwise, if they were on their job, they would have intervened before it got to the point that it did.

Why did they throw down, knee and handcuff the black kid, but not the white kid? Where is the fairness? Oh, I forgot, black kids are scary, oversized, animals, and look like grown men. All those kids look like their from the burbs, but only the black kid got cuffed.


I’m questioning the police response, not the actions of the kids.


The white kid was clearly not picking a fight. It was escalated step by step by the black kid. It doesn’t get any more clear cut then a person saying “let’s go outside”. If that kid gets cuffed then good riddance. Race really doesn't seem to be the main issue with this whole thing. The cops tackled the right kid who happened to be black. I am not a blind supported of racist, aggressive cops who are a problem in every city. Violent people should go to jail and this kid was choosing violence. Bullies suck.



The police don’t know who escalated anything at the point they intervene! Why are you guys focusing on the fight? The cops don’t hear that conversation, if they did, why didn’t they intervene before the fight started? You guys act like the cops were a part of the audience and heard the whole interaction.


Then handcuff both




Thus this thread! They didn’t! They only threw down and knee’d, and cuffed the black kid.
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Anonymous wrote:This makes me really sad for black people, especially kids.


Why be sad? Apparently black skin allows you to pick a fight and then have everyone defend you based on your skin color.



WTF? Apparently white skin allows you to fight also pick a fight and walk away from it. Both kids were wrong for fighting. No one is defending the fighting, you little a$$hole. We are debating the police response. Most likely the police did not see the beginning of the fight, otherwise, if they were on their job, they would have intervened before it got to the point that it did.

Why did they throw down, knee and handcuff the black kid, but not the white kid? Where is the fairness? Oh, I forgot, black kids are scary, oversized, animals, and look like grown men. All those kids look like their from the burbs, but only the black kid got cuffed.


I’m questioning the police response, not the actions of the kids.


The white kid was clearly not picking a fight. It was escalated step by step by the black kid. It doesn’t get any more clear cut then a person saying “let’s go outside”. If that kid gets cuffed then good riddance. Race really doesn't seem to be the main issue with this whole thing. The cops tackled the right kid who happened to be black. I am not a blind supported of racist, aggressive cops who are a problem in every city. Violent people should go to jail and this kid was choosing violence. Bullies suck.



The police doesn’t know who escalated anything at the point they intervene! Why are you guys focusing on the fight? The cops don’t hear that conversation, if they did, why didn’t they intervene before the fight started? You guys act like the cops were a part of the audience and heard the whole interaction.


Then handcuff both


Exactly. And the white kid was bigger thus more intimidating.


We use to handcuff everybody. People would get pissed we handcuffed “the girls” but I don’t know who has a knife. Everybody gets handcuffed until the situation is worked out.

This is clearly racist .


Gotta treat your beat like a war zone, everyone is a threat. And then you wonder why people complain about brutality
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Anonymous wrote:They cuffed the person who committed assault. Watch the video.

Both kids were fighting and the cops charged in. They didn't see who started it.

And the white kid was on top when the cops charged in.


Maybe the cops saw the fight start before intervening? I just watched a video where one kid was the aggressor and the other kid defended himself.

Were you drunk? The white guy pushed the black kid first.


Actually the black kid was asking for a fight “let’s go outside right now” and then he pushed the arm of the white kid while saying “get your hand out of my face” and THEN the white kid shoved back. Then the first actual punch was thrown by the black kid. That makes the black kid the aggressor. It’s on video so I am not sure how you think any of this is refutable.


No the aggressor is the escalator which is the person who puts their hand in someone's face. It moves from verbal towards physical intimidation. The black kid says take your hands out my face and sideswipes the white kids arm. The white kid puts BOTH hands on the black kid and shoves him. The white kid was the first person to use physicality and the first person to push in a threatening manner. You could say that the black kid thought that the white kid putting his hand in his face and swiping it is a form of self-defense.

Keep in mind the black kid has nowhere to go. He cant step back because he is backed up to a couch. The white kid could easily step away.

The cops were wrong.
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Anonymous wrote:They cuffed the person who committed assault. Watch the video.

Both kids were fighting and the cops charged in. They didn't see who started it.

And the white kid was on top when the cops charged in.


Maybe the cops saw the fight start before intervening? I just watched a video where one kid was the aggressor and the other kid defended himself.

Were you drunk? The white guy pushed the black kid first.


Actually the black kid was asking for a fight “let’s go outside right now” and then he pushed the arm of the white kid while saying “get your hand out of my face” and THEN the white kid shoved back. Then the first actual punch was thrown by the black kid. That makes the black kid the aggressor. It’s on video so I am not sure how you think any of this is refutable.


No the aggressor is the escalator which is the person who puts their hand in someone's face. It moves from verbal towards physical intimidation. The black kid says take your hands out my face and sideswipes the white kids arm. The white kid puts BOTH hands on the black kid and shoves him. The white kid was the first person to use physicality and the first person to push in a threatening manner. You could say that the black kid thought that the white kid putting his hand in his face and swiping it is a form of self-defense.

Keep in mind the black kid has nowhere to go. He cant step back because he is backed up to a couch. The white kid could easily step away.

The cops were wrong.


That all sounds good until you understand that assault does not require a physical touch, only the expectation of imminent physical harm. Being yelled at to “let’s go” fight is a pretty clear assault. You are allowed to defend against assault.

I admit that the cops are probably racist though.
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Yeah i though the white kid definitely looked like the aggressor in the video.

That said, these kids both look like 14 or something. I don't see why the cops thought they needed to jump straight to cuffing EITHER of them. But definitely once you decide to do one you should do both.

The video was ridiculous on that front and the only thing I could think is that it seems like the cops were not on the same page re: cuffing so the one copy just separates the kids, the other goes all in with jumping straight to cuffing - then when that's still taking a bit the first cop helps the other one. I think the first cop's instinct to just get them apart was the better one. These do not look like big guys - they look like they're like 14 and decently skinny boys.
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Anonymous wrote:They cuffed the person who committed assault. Watch the video.

Both kids were fighting and the cops charged in. They didn't see who started it.

And the white kid was on top when the cops charged in.


Maybe the cops saw the fight start before intervening? I just watched a video where one kid was the aggressor and the other kid defended himself.

Were you drunk? The white guy pushed the black kid first.


Actually the black kid was asking for a fight “let’s go outside right now” and then he pushed the arm of the white kid while saying “get your hand out of my face” and THEN the white kid shoved back. Then the first actual punch was thrown by the black kid. That makes the black kid the aggressor. It’s on video so I am not sure how you think any of this is refutable.


The white kid had his hands in the black kids face. That’s being the aggressor and starting a fight. Once you put your hands in someone else’s face you are ready to fight. You are just waiting for them to push your hand so you can swing first. [/quote
But he didn’t swing first. Before the hand in the face the black kid was asking to fight outside. How can you defend the kid asking to fight outside? How can someone pointing a finger at you be a clear provocation in your mind yet you have nothing to say about a person saying “let’s go outside”?


How can you assume the white kid didn’t provoke the black kid to get to the point where he said, let’s take this outside? Why would you put your fingers in someone’s face and when they smack your hand away you violently shove them back? How can you defend the white kid like he wasn’t looking to fight too? If he didn’t want to fight he would’ve left. They are both guilty and should’ve been treated equally.


If you smack my hand when I haven’t touched you then expect to get punched. Being shoved is the least you should expect. Fighting words are a legal provocation.


If you put your hands in someone’s face expect them to get smacked. Getting your hands smacked is the least you should expect when you put them in someone’s face. It’s why people do it, so they can instigate a fight bc they know the reaction it will cause. Putting your hands in someone’s face is fighting words.
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Anonymous wrote:They cuffed the person who committed assault. Watch the video.

Both kids were fighting and the cops charged in. They didn't see who started it.

And the white kid was on top when the cops charged in.


Maybe the cops saw the fight start before intervening? I just watched a video where one kid was the aggressor and the other kid defended himself.

Were you drunk? The white guy pushed the black kid first.


Actually the black kid was asking for a fight “let’s go outside right now” and then he pushed the arm of the white kid while saying “get your hand out of my face” and THEN the white kid shoved back. Then the first actual punch was thrown by the black kid. That makes the black kid the aggressor. It’s on video so I am not sure how you think any of this is refutable.


The white kid had his hands in the black kids face. That’s being the aggressor and starting a fight. Once you put your hands in someone else’s face you are ready to fight. You are just waiting for them to push your hand so you can swing first. [/quote
But he didn’t swing first. Before the hand in the face the black kid was asking to fight outside. How can you defend the kid asking to fight outside? How can someone pointing a finger at you be a clear provocation in your mind yet you have nothing to say about a person saying “let’s go outside”?


How can you assume the white kid didn’t provoke the black kid to get to the point where he said, let’s take this outside? Why would you put your fingers in someone’s face and when they smack your hand away you violently shove them back? How can you defend the white kid like he wasn’t looking to fight too? If he didn’t want to fight he would’ve left. They are both guilty and should’ve been treated equally.


If you smack my hand when I haven’t touched you then expect to get punched. Being shoved is the least you should expect. Fighting words are a legal provocation.


If you put your hands in someone’s face expect them to get smacked. Getting your hands smacked is the least you should expect when you put them in someone’s face. It’s why people do it, so they can instigate a fight bc they know the reaction it will cause. Putting your hands in someone’s face is fighting words.

Which came first? Fighting words to “let’s go outside” to fight, or the pointing finger? Who touched who first?
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