FAQ: What is the "Big 3"? (or "Big 5", or "Big 10", etc)

Anonymous
When someone posts about the "Big X," he/she is usually referring to schools which are considered the "top tier". People will debate at length about how many schools are "Big X" schools (the "Big 3", the "Big 5," or the "Big 10.") There really is no way to rank any of the schools definitively. Some posters only consider the schools based in the District of Columbia in their definition, others include schools in Maryland and Virginia. Some only include schools that are K-12, while others include the schools that only go from K-8.

Some posters on this board believe that others try to promulgate a narrow "Big X" definition... like saying the "Big 3"... as a way to set apart their particular school from others in the area. The problem with this, on an anonymous board, is that there is no way to know whether there is true consensus about who the "Big 3" really is (or whether there are just a few vocal boosters who are advocating for their particular school. Is it the Cathedral Schools, Sidwell Friends, and GDS? Or perhaps Sidwell, Maret, and Holton. Or perhaps Potomac, Sidwell, and Cathedral. Or maybe for lower school it's Norwood, Langley, and Beauvoir? Or maybe for athletic inclined families it's Landon, Georgetown Prep, and SSSAS. You can see where this can lead.

In defining the "top tier", posters often point to outside publications that have tried to rank schools. These include:

The Washington Examiner - http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local/40314672.html
Worth Magazine http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/43718.page#295235 and
The Wall St Journal http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-COLLEGE0711-sort.html

These 3rd party rankings are good evidence that it's hard to limit the number of schools that should be considered top tier. Each of these "rankings" would lead to a different interpretation of which schools really should be considered the "Big 3".

In addition, many posters will argue that certain public schools belong in the Big X discussion, particularly given that a school like Thomas Jefferson in Virginia has been ranked by US News and World Report as the #1 public high school in the nation http://www.usnews.com/articles/education/high-scho...ool-is-best-in-the-nation.html

The point that many posters usually end up making in these discussions/arguments is that the "best" school is really a subjective matter - and the best fit for one family might not be the best fit for another.

It's probably a good idea to avoid all of these "Big X" terms whenever you can, because they really gets some people upset and can quickly lead a discussion thread off-topic with debates about terminology and rankings. It's often best just to refer to specific schools by name, or to refer generically to "top tier schools" or something similar. If you search the DCUM archive, you can easily find a dozen threads with people fighting about these terms and their implications.
Anonymous
WHO CARES!!!!!!!!
Anonymous
I think that's the reaction she's hoping for, LOL!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:WHO CARES!!!!!!!!


No doubt a rhetorical question, but . . . All the people who hijacked the FAQ sticky and demanded their own "Big Blah Blah Blah" sticky.

A poem:

I was happy, oh yes, carefree,
When I first moved to DC,
Until I found out
And was crippled with doubt,
About something called "the Big Three"!

These schools of wonder and grace,
Each one a magnificent place,
My child would adore
To go through the door,
And emerge an Ivy League Ace.

But, alas! I learned of the debate
Which tangles DCUM forums with hate
Which ARE the big three?
Are they only in DC?
Or in a neighboring state?

Sidwell, Cathedral and St. Albans too
Will argue their "Big Three" status to you
Potomac, Maret, Georgetown Day
And the girls of Holton should have their say,
The laxers of Landon, the Georgetown Prep boys,
St. Stephens St. Agnes is making some noise . . .

Every child shouts: "My school is Big Three!"
. . . OH wait, that's their PARENTS . . .do pardon me!

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:In addition, many posters will argue that certain public schools belong in the Big X discussion, particularly given that a school like Thomas Jefferson in Virginia has been ranked by US News and World Report as the #1 public high school in the nation http://www.usnews.com/articles/education/high-scho...ool-is-best-in-the-nation.html


The link to the US News and World Report article is not working.
Anonymous
Very fun poem 11:58
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:WHO CARES!!!!!!!!


No doubt a rhetorical question, but . . . All the people who hijacked the FAQ sticky and demanded their own "Big Blah Blah Blah" sticky.

A poem:

I was happy, oh yes, carefree,
When I first moved to DC,
Until I found out
And was crippled with doubt,
About something called "the Big Three"!

These schools of wonder and grace,
Each one a magnificent place,
My child would adore
To go through the door,
And emerge an Ivy League Ace.

But, alas! I learned of the debate
Which tangles DCUM forums with hate
Which ARE the big three?
Are they only in DC?
Or in a neighboring state?

Sidwell, Cathedral and St. Albans too
Will argue their "Big Three" status to you
Potomac, Maret, Georgetown Day
And the girls of Holton should have their say,
The laxers of Landon, the Georgetown Prep boys,
St. Stephens St. Agnes is making some noise . . .

Every child shouts: "My school is Big Three!"
. . . OH wait, that's their PARENTS . . .do pardon me!



That's awesome!
Anonymous
The big 3 are Zeus, Poseidon and Hades. I thought everyone knew that.

In reality I think the Big 3 are Sidwell, whatever Cathedral school matches your child's grade/gender, and whatever school accepts your child.
Anonymous
Agree with PP. I'm not sure why the number is 3 when everyone only seems to agree on 2. Why not call it "the big two" instead since Sidwell and Beauvoir/NCS/StA are always on the "big three" lists with [insert name of other school here]?
Anonymous
agree pp.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Agree with PP. I'm not sure why the number is 3 when everyone only seems to agree on 2. Why not call it "the big two" instead since Sidwell and Beauvoir/NCS/StA are always on the "big three" lists with [insert name of other school here]?


We chose Potomac over Sidwell and Beauvoir so our top 2 is obviously different than your claim of "everyone" above.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Agree with PP. I'm not sure why the number is 3 when everyone only seems to agree on 2. Why not call it "the big two" instead since Sidwell and Beauvoir/NCS/StA are always on the "big three" lists with [insert name of other school here]?


We chose Potomac over Sidwell and Beauvoir so our top 2 is obviously different than your claim of "everyone" above.


I don't know that that's true. To me "big" isn't a complement, or an insult. It's a recognition that certain schools are more talked about and more "glitzy" than others. Similarly I'd describe the Jonas Brothers as "bigger" than Ladysmith Black Mambazo (naming a group I've seen in concert recently) doesn't mean that I'd want them on my IPOD.

If money and logistics weren't issues, I think my ideal school for my kid would be Sandy Spring Friends, but I wouldn't argue that it's "bigger" than Sidwell. Maybe that it SHOULD be, but not that it is.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Agree with PP. I'm not sure why the number is 3 when everyone only seems to agree on 2. Why not call it "the big two" instead since Sidwell and Beauvoir/NCS/StA are always on the "big three" lists with [insert name of other school here]?


We chose Potomac over Sidwell and Beauvoir so our top 2 is obviously different than your claim of "everyone" above.


I don't know that that's true. To me "big" isn't a complement, or an insult. It's a recognition that certain schools are more talked about and more "glitzy" than others. Similarly I'd describe the Jonas Brothers as "bigger" than Ladysmith Black Mambazo (naming a group I've seen in concert recently) doesn't mean that I'd want them on my IPOD.

If money and logistics weren't issues, I think my ideal school for my kid would be Sandy Spring Friends, but I wouldn't argue that it's "bigger" than Sidwell. Maybe that it SHOULD be, but not that it is.


I hear you, but the point is that it's impossible to tell on an anonymous board what the consensus "Big 1,2,3,5,10" might be. You could have a couple of boosters (or admissions folks) posting all the time using these terms to sway the perception of their school. The fact that you NEVER hear the term "Big X" outside of this forum is telling.

Just underscores that it's very hard to pinpoint the consensus top tier schools. Outside of doing a large survey of the population of metro DC, in my opinion the third party magazine/newspaper articles probably offer better sense of the general perception than an anonymous internet forum.
Anonymous
I think the BigX reference is for DC schools! I truly believe if schools like Hoton, Landon Potomac were in the city we would not have a BigX to mention! DC is very sought after place not just real estate but jobs and schools too! They are able to be VERY selective becase the alternative is DCPS!! That is the only reason!! IF DCPS were to get to the level of VA and MOCO then I thik these schools would become less competitive!! Just my opinion!!
Anonymous
OOPS sorry for all of the typos on the last post!!
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