Taylor Swift album Tortured Poets Department leaked early?

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I find fascinating that years ago nobody believed Taylor’s boyfriends/relationships were even real based on how she monetized every detail about each into song. There was a belief they were all beards and she was closeted .

That’s how badly our society looks down on women dictating their narrative

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting her two diss albums (IMO) Red and now TTPD both followed very very short but passionate relationships.

Matty Healy wasn’t short. She has been in love with him for years. Before, during and after Joe. Just listen to the lyrics in End Game, Illicit Affairs, Cardigan or Question, to name a few.
How are people still not getting this?

They actually dated for a few weeks…

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Anonymous wrote:Are some of you perhaps reading too much into the songs? There's no rule that says every song is a gospel retelling of a specific relationship.

Yes but they will read between every line to try to put her down.

It’s weird.

People did that Christina Aguilera and Britney Spears when they were at the top of their game.

People love to be haters.

The haters seem keenly aware of her lyrics, relationships, age, and other facts about her. It's a bit odd to be so invested in something that's not their cup of tea. Supposedly.

That’s because we’re not haters. We like(d) her music enough and own some of it, but also think the themes and slander of her recent exes on each album is juvenile and has gotten old. It’s like a comedian telling the same joke for 20 years - there’s no range.

I guess you're no longer the target demographic. She's got a fan base and some stick with her, some move on, and some girls may be aging into the angst as tweens who haven't been following her for 18 years. Maybe the music is just not for you anymore.

Yes, I think that’s fair. I just find it interesting that neither Taylor nor her music have really evolved, especially when her whole thing is writing songs like a diary. She definitely has a market and she’s a phenomenon, but I don’t know- I’m her age and I compare her to someone like Billy Joel, who has albums and albums of diverse songs and themes, and I’m just kind of “meh” about TS now. I liked her early stuff but yes, it seems ive outgrown her music, which to me, has gotten stale - and also kind of sad to be trashing your exes so publicly.

And just to add, is that even in her best business interest? What happens if she falls in love and stays in another long term relationship? What if she gets married? Will she write songs if she’s in a stable relationship? Or just perform old ones? Obviously she never has to worry about money, but I assume she’s like being at the top of her game, and if that is dependent upon heartbreak material, she’ll have to go from relationship to relationship forever, pretending she’s shocked and devestating when it ends.

Considering so many of her songs are based on stories and not her real life, which she has been honest about, I don’t think that is a concern. She’s done a really good job of taking inspiration from other things. She’s talked about how a lot of her songs on her pandemic albums were inspired by old movies she watched in lockdown.

I am sure some of this is true. But also some of it probably isn't. Can she admit, I burned for this other man while I was with Joe for 6 years (and before, and after) and wrote dozens of songs about him in code? Good girl, role model Taylor? I used to think that she would never, but then TTPD came out, and now I am actually in awe of her bravery, her grand gesture in the name of love, and her IDGAF attitude. Because she loved Matty Healy, thinks he is worthy and wants the world to know. But why risk it now if she is truly over him? Because I don't think she is.

She is, which is why she can release this album now. The poem she wrote even says so. It’s over - she found a love that means she can finally let this one and all the other men in the past go. It’s a goodbye to so many eras . That’s why the anthology ends on The Manuscript. “The story’s not mine anymore.”

The idea of “the one that got away” is not unique to Taylor. I’d say many people have that one person who, throughout life, acts like a hologram for all the lives and paths we didn’t live because of the ones who chose. They’re an idea more than anything but they’re in the background as the “what if” or the “in another life.” A fantasy more than anything. That’s Matty to her I think.

Yes, I’m happily married and approaching the 2 decade mark with my husband. We have 2 kids and I’m thankful for our family.

But I’m human. I still periodically look into past boyfriends and crushes and what they’re up to. Even been known to have the occasional sex dream about another guy. people are messy and life is complicated. I still love my husband and our life but I haven’t perfectly shut out my past or closed myself off entirely from experiencing conflicting emotions.

Taylor isn’t a mom or married so I imagine this is even more straightforward for her. Plus come on, some of this is just songwriting for the sake of songwriting. She is able to harness emotions and thoughts and build a song out of it. Doesn’t mean every word is biographical.

Taylor writing songs about longing for a past love is the healthier equivalent to people who are 45 Facebook messaging their high school boyfriend to “see how they’re doing.”

And now we realize this pining has been going on for TEN years.

10 that we know of, that’s when they were first spotted publicly. But they might have known each other even before that. I’m actually now questioning some of the songs on 1989 too. Style fits MH a lot more than Harry Styles. Maybe they weren’t dating or having passionate trysts yet at that time, but she could have already been under Matty Healy’s spell and writing about them. There are certainly stories online of her going to his band’s concerts and acting totally smitten.

It’s possible she used titles (Style) and descriptive phrases to dupe everyone, the same way she misled the public about who this album was going to be about or about her 6-year long “Endgame” relationship with Joe, which was probably mostly just a front. I enter into evidence the lyrics in Endgame itself

Someone needs to tell Taylor because Matt has had many relationships in the past decade and has one now. Is this like a giant decade long case of you’ve got mail?

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Anonymous wrote:Are some of you perhaps reading too much into the songs? There's no rule that says every song is a gospel retelling of a specific relationship.

Yes but they will read between every line to try to put her down.

It’s weird.

People did that Christina Aguilera and Britney Spears when they were at the top of their game.

People love to be haters.

The haters seem keenly aware of her lyrics, relationships, age, and other facts about her. It's a bit odd to be so invested in something that's not their cup of tea. Supposedly.

That’s because we’re not haters. We like(d) her music enough and own some of it, but also think the themes and slander of her recent exes on each album is juvenile and has gotten old. It’s like a comedian telling the same joke for 20 years - there’s no range.

I guess you're no longer the target demographic. She's got a fan base and some stick with her, some move on, and some girls may be aging into the angst as tweens who haven't been following her for 18 years. Maybe the music is just not for you anymore.

Yes, I think that’s fair. I just find it interesting that neither Taylor nor her music have really evolved, especially when her whole thing is writing songs like a diary. She definitely has a market and she’s a phenomenon, but I don’t know- I’m her age and I compare her to someone like Billy Joel, who has albums and albums of diverse songs and themes, and I’m just kind of “meh” about TS now. I liked her early stuff but yes, it seems ive outgrown her music, which to me, has gotten stale - and also kind of sad to be trashing your exes so publicly.

And just to add, is that even in her best business interest? What happens if she falls in love and stays in another long term relationship? What if she gets married? Will she write songs if she’s in a stable relationship? Or just perform old ones? Obviously she never has to worry about money, but I assume she’s like being at the top of her game, and if that is dependent upon heartbreak material, she’ll have to go from relationship to relationship forever, pretending she’s shocked and devestating when it ends.

Considering so many of her songs are based on stories and not her real life, which she has been honest about, I don’t think that is a concern. She’s done a really good job of taking inspiration from other things. She’s talked about how a lot of her songs on her pandemic albums were inspired by old movies she watched in lockdown.

I am sure some of this is true. But also some of it probably isn't. Can she admit, I burned for this other man while I was with Joe for 6 years (and before, and after) and wrote dozens of songs about him in code? Good girl, role model Taylor? I used to think that she would never, but then TTPD came out, and now I am actually in awe of her bravery, her grand gesture in the name of love, and her IDGAF attitude. Because she loved Matty Healy, thinks he is worthy and wants the world to know. But why risk it now if she is truly over him? Because I don't think she is.

She is, which is why she can release this album now. The poem she wrote even says so. It’s over - she found a love that means she can finally let this one and all the other men in the past go. It’s a goodbye to so many eras . That’s why the anthology ends on The Manuscript. “The story’s not mine anymore.”

The idea of “the one that got away” is not unique to Taylor. I’d say many people have that one person who, throughout life, acts like a hologram for all the lives and paths we didn’t live because of the ones who chose. They’re an idea more than anything but they’re in the background as the “what if” or the “in another life.” A fantasy more than anything. That’s Matty to her I think.

Yes, I’m happily married and approaching the 2 decade mark with my husband. We have 2 kids and I’m thankful for our family.

But I’m human. I still periodically look into past boyfriends and crushes and what they’re up to. Even been known to have the occasional sex dream about another guy. people are messy and life is complicated. I still love my husband and our life but I haven’t perfectly shut out my past or closed myself off entirely from experiencing conflicting emotions.

Taylor isn’t a mom or married so I imagine this is even more straightforward for her. Plus come on, some of this is just songwriting for the sake of songwriting. She is able to harness emotions and thoughts and build a song out of it. Doesn’t mean every word is biographical.

Taylor writing songs about longing for a past love is the healthier equivalent to people who are 45 Facebook messaging their high school boyfriend to “see how they’re doing.”

And now we realize this pining has been going on for TEN years.

10 that we know of, that’s when they were first spotted publicly. But they might have known each other even before that. I’m actually now questioning some of the songs on 1989 too. Style fits MH a lot more than Harry Styles. Maybe they weren’t dating or having passionate trysts yet at that time, but she could have already been under Matty Healy’s spell and writing about them. There are certainly stories online of her going to his band’s concerts and acting totally smitten.

It’s possible she used titles (Style) and descriptive phrases to dupe everyone, the same way she misled the public about who this album was going to be about or about her 6-year long “Endgame” relationship with Joe, which was probably mostly just a front. I enter into evidence the lyrics in Endgame itself

Style is soooo about Matty Healy. The way she described it is very much in line with what we now know.

I also now believe William Bowery is Matty Healy and not Joe, who covered for them. “This is not the Chelsea Hotel…” but could it be “The Bowery Hotel”? 🤯

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Anonymous wrote:Are some of you perhaps reading too much into the songs? There's no rule that says every song is a gospel retelling of a specific relationship.

Yes but they will read between every line to try to put her down.

It’s weird.

People did that Christina Aguilera and Britney Spears when they were at the top of their game.

People love to be haters.

The haters seem keenly aware of her lyrics, relationships, age, and other facts about her. It's a bit odd to be so invested in something that's not their cup of tea. Supposedly.

That’s because we’re not haters. We like(d) her music enough and own some of it, but also think the themes and slander of her recent exes on each album is juvenile and has gotten old. It’s like a comedian telling the same joke for 20 years - there’s no range.

I guess you're no longer the target demographic. She's got a fan base and some stick with her, some move on, and some girls may be aging into the angst as tweens who haven't been following her for 18 years. Maybe the music is just not for you anymore.

Yes, I think that’s fair. I just find it interesting that neither Taylor nor her music have really evolved, especially when her whole thing is writing songs like a diary. She definitely has a market and she’s a phenomenon, but I don’t know- I’m her age and I compare her to someone like Billy Joel, who has albums and albums of diverse songs and themes, and I’m just kind of “meh” about TS now. I liked her early stuff but yes, it seems ive outgrown her music, which to me, has gotten stale - and also kind of sad to be trashing your exes so publicly.

And just to add, is that even in her best business interest? What happens if she falls in love and stays in another long term relationship? What if she gets married? Will she write songs if she’s in a stable relationship? Or just perform old ones? Obviously she never has to worry about money, but I assume she’s like being at the top of her game, and if that is dependent upon heartbreak material, she’ll have to go from relationship to relationship forever, pretending she’s shocked and devestating when it ends.

Considering so many of her songs are based on stories and not her real life, which she has been honest about, I don’t think that is a concern. She’s done a really good job of taking inspiration from other things. She’s talked about how a lot of her songs on her pandemic albums were inspired by old movies she watched in lockdown.

I am sure some of this is true. But also some of it probably isn't. Can she admit, I burned for this other man while I was with Joe for 6 years (and before, and after) and wrote dozens of songs about him in code? Good girl, role model Taylor? I used to think that she would never, but then TTPD came out, and now I am actually in awe of her bravery, her grand gesture in the name of love, and her IDGAF attitude. Because she loved Matty Healy, thinks he is worthy and wants the world to know. But why risk it now if she is truly over him? Because I don't think she is.

She is, which is why she can release this album now. The poem she wrote even says so. It’s over - she found a love that means she can finally let this one and all the other men in the past go. It’s a goodbye to so many eras . That’s why the anthology ends on The Manuscript. “The story’s not mine anymore.”

The idea of “the one that got away” is not unique to Taylor. I’d say many people have that one person who, throughout life, acts like a hologram for all the lives and paths we didn’t live because of the ones who chose. They’re an idea more than anything but they’re in the background as the “what if” or the “in another life.” A fantasy more than anything. That’s Matty to her I think.

Yes, I’m happily married and approaching the 2 decade mark with my husband. We have 2 kids and I’m thankful for our family.

But I’m human. I still periodically look into past boyfriends and crushes and what they’re up to. Even been known to have the occasional sex dream about another guy. people are messy and life is complicated. I still love my husband and our life but I haven’t perfectly shut out my past or closed myself off entirely from experiencing conflicting emotions.

Taylor isn’t a mom or married so I imagine this is even more straightforward for her. Plus come on, some of this is just songwriting for the sake of songwriting. She is able to harness emotions and thoughts and build a song out of it. Doesn’t mean every word is biographical.

Taylor writing songs about longing for a past love is the healthier equivalent to people who are 45 Facebook messaging their high school boyfriend to “see how they’re doing.”

And now we realize this pining has been going on for TEN years.

10 that we know of, that’s when they were first spotted publicly. But they might have known each other even before that. I’m actually now questioning some of the songs on 1989 too. Style fits MH a lot more than Harry Styles. Maybe they weren’t dating or having passionate trysts yet at that time, but she could have already been under Matty Healy’s spell and writing about them. There are certainly stories online of her going to his band’s concerts and acting totally smitten.

It’s possible she used titles (Style) and descriptive phrases to dupe everyone, the same way she misled the public about who this album was going to be about or about her 6-year long “Endgame” relationship with Joe, which was probably mostly just a front. I enter into evidence the lyrics in Endgame itself

Style is soooo about Matty Healy. The way she described it is very much in line with what we now know.

I also now believe William Bowery is Matty Healy and not Joe, who covered for them. “This is not the Chelsea Hotel…” but could it be “The Bowery Hotel”? 🤯

Huh? No.

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Anonymous wrote:Are some of you perhaps reading too much into the songs? There's no rule that says every song is a gospel retelling of a specific relationship.

Yes but they will read between every line to try to put her down.

It’s weird.

People did that Christina Aguilera and Britney Spears when they were at the top of their game.

People love to be haters.

The haters seem keenly aware of her lyrics, relationships, age, and other facts about her. It's a bit odd to be so invested in something that's not their cup of tea. Supposedly.

That’s because we’re not haters. We like(d) her music enough and own some of it, but also think the themes and slander of her recent exes on each album is juvenile and has gotten old. It’s like a comedian telling the same joke for 20 years - there’s no range.

I guess you're no longer the target demographic. She's got a fan base and some stick with her, some move on, and some girls may be aging into the angst as tweens who haven't been following her for 18 years. Maybe the music is just not for you anymore.

Yes, I think that’s fair. I just find it interesting that neither Taylor nor her music have really evolved, especially when her whole thing is writing songs like a diary. She definitely has a market and she’s a phenomenon, but I don’t know- I’m her age and I compare her to someone like Billy Joel, who has albums and albums of diverse songs and themes, and I’m just kind of “meh” about TS now. I liked her early stuff but yes, it seems ive outgrown her music, which to me, has gotten stale - and also kind of sad to be trashing your exes so publicly.

And just to add, is that even in her best business interest? What happens if she falls in love and stays in another long term relationship? What if she gets married? Will she write songs if she’s in a stable relationship? Or just perform old ones? Obviously she never has to worry about money, but I assume she’s like being at the top of her game, and if that is dependent upon heartbreak material, she’ll have to go from relationship to relationship forever, pretending she’s shocked and devestating when it ends.

Considering so many of her songs are based on stories and not her real life, which she has been honest about, I don’t think that is a concern. She’s done a really good job of taking inspiration from other things. She’s talked about how a lot of her songs on her pandemic albums were inspired by old movies she watched in lockdown.

I am sure some of this is true. But also some of it probably isn't. Can she admit, I burned for this other man while I was with Joe for 6 years (and before, and after) and wrote dozens of songs about him in code? Good girl, role model Taylor? I used to think that she would never, but then TTPD came out, and now I am actually in awe of her bravery, her grand gesture in the name of love, and her IDGAF attitude. Because she loved Matty Healy, thinks he is worthy and wants the world to know. But why risk it now if she is truly over him? Because I don't think she is.

She is, which is why she can release this album now. The poem she wrote even says so. It’s over - she found a love that means she can finally let this one and all the other men in the past go. It’s a goodbye to so many eras . That’s why the anthology ends on The Manuscript. “The story’s not mine anymore.”

The idea of “the one that got away” is not unique to Taylor. I’d say many people have that one person who, throughout life, acts like a hologram for all the lives and paths we didn’t live because of the ones who chose. They’re an idea more than anything but they’re in the background as the “what if” or the “in another life.” A fantasy more than anything. That’s Matty to her I think.

Yes, I’m happily married and approaching the 2 decade mark with my husband. We have 2 kids and I’m thankful for our family.

But I’m human. I still periodically look into past boyfriends and crushes and what they’re up to. Even been known to have the occasional sex dream about another guy. people are messy and life is complicated. I still love my husband and our life but I haven’t perfectly shut out my past or closed myself off entirely from experiencing conflicting emotions.

Taylor isn’t a mom or married so I imagine this is even more straightforward for her. Plus come on, some of this is just songwriting for the sake of songwriting. She is able to harness emotions and thoughts and build a song out of it. Doesn’t mean every word is biographical.

Taylor writing songs about longing for a past love is the healthier equivalent to people who are 45 Facebook messaging their high school boyfriend to “see how they’re doing.”

Yea I have never messaged any of them, just googled. Messaging is basically admitting to yourself you want an affair. Not a good idea.

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Anonymous wrote:Are some of you perhaps reading too much into the songs? There's no rule that says every song is a gospel retelling of a specific relationship.

Yes but they will read between every line to try to put her down.

It’s weird.

People did that Christina Aguilera and Britney Spears when they were at the top of their game.

People love to be haters.

The haters seem keenly aware of her lyrics, relationships, age, and other facts about her. It's a bit odd to be so invested in something that's not their cup of tea. Supposedly.

That’s because we’re not haters. We like(d) her music enough and own some of it, but also think the themes and slander of her recent exes on each album is juvenile and has gotten old. It’s like a comedian telling the same joke for 20 years - there’s no range.

I guess you're no longer the target demographic. She's got a fan base and some stick with her, some move on, and some girls may be aging into the angst as tweens who haven't been following her for 18 years. Maybe the music is just not for you anymore.

Yes, I think that’s fair. I just find it interesting that neither Taylor nor her music have really evolved, especially when her whole thing is writing songs like a diary. She definitely has a market and she’s a phenomenon, but I don’t know- I’m her age and I compare her to someone like Billy Joel, who has albums and albums of diverse songs and themes, and I’m just kind of “meh” about TS now. I liked her early stuff but yes, it seems ive outgrown her music, which to me, has gotten stale - and also kind of sad to be trashing your exes so publicly.

And just to add, is that even in her best business interest? What happens if she falls in love and stays in another long term relationship? What if she gets married? Will she write songs if she’s in a stable relationship? Or just perform old ones? Obviously she never has to worry about money, but I assume she’s like being at the top of her game, and if that is dependent upon heartbreak material, she’ll have to go from relationship to relationship forever, pretending she’s shocked and devestating when it ends.

Considering so many of her songs are based on stories and not her real life, which she has been honest about, I don’t think that is a concern. She’s done a really good job of taking inspiration from other things. She’s talked about how a lot of her songs on her pandemic albums were inspired by old movies she watched in lockdown.

I am sure some of this is true. But also some of it probably isn't. Can she admit, I burned for this other man while I was with Joe for 6 years (and before, and after) and wrote dozens of songs about him in code? Good girl, role model Taylor? I used to think that she would never, but then TTPD came out, and now I am actually in awe of her bravery, her grand gesture in the name of love, and her IDGAF attitude. Because she loved Matty Healy, thinks he is worthy and wants the world to know. But why risk it now if she is truly over him? Because I don't think she is.

She is, which is why she can release this album now. The poem she wrote even says so. It’s over - she found a love that means she can finally let this one and all the other men in the past go. It’s a goodbye to so many eras . That’s why the anthology ends on The Manuscript. “The story’s not mine anymore.”

The idea of “the one that got away” is not unique to Taylor. I’d say many people have that one person who, throughout life, acts like a hologram for all the lives and paths we didn’t live because of the ones who chose. They’re an idea more than anything but they’re in the background as the “what if” or the “in another life.” A fantasy more than anything. That’s Matty to her I think.

Yes, I’m happily married and approaching the 2 decade mark with my husband. We have 2 kids and I’m thankful for our family.

But I’m human. I still periodically look into past boyfriends and crushes and what they’re up to. Even been known to have the occasional sex dream about another guy. people are messy and life is complicated. I still love my husband and our life but I haven’t perfectly shut out my past or closed myself off entirely from experiencing conflicting emotions.

Taylor isn’t a mom or married so I imagine this is even more straightforward for her. Plus come on, some of this is just songwriting for the sake of songwriting. She is able to harness emotions and thoughts and build a song out of it. Doesn’t mean every word is biographical.

Taylor writing songs about longing for a past love is the healthier equivalent to people who are 45 Facebook messaging their high school boyfriend to “see how they’re doing.”

And now we realize this pining has been going on for TEN years.

10 that we know of, that’s when they were first spotted publicly. But they might have known each other even before that. I’m actually now questioning some of the songs on 1989 too. Style fits MH a lot more than Harry Styles. Maybe they weren’t dating or having passionate trysts yet at that time, but she could have already been under Matty Healy’s spell and writing about them. There are certainly stories online of her going to his band’s concerts and acting totally smitten.

It’s possible she used titles (Style) and descriptive phrases to dupe everyone, the same way she misled the public about who this album was going to be about or about her 6-year long “Endgame” relationship with Joe, which was probably mostly just a front. I enter into evidence the lyrics in Endgame itself

Style is soooo about Matty Healy. The way she described it is very much in line with what we now know.

I also now believe William Bowery is Matty Healy and not Joe, who covered for them. “This is not the Chelsea Hotel…” but could it be “The Bowery Hotel”? 🤯

Huh? No.

Yea William is Joe. He was okay with Taylor sharing that. He also made over 2 million on those songs dnd will continue to get royalties for the rest of his life.

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Anonymous wrote:Are some of you perhaps reading too much into the songs? There's no rule that says every song is a gospel retelling of a specific relationship.

Yes but they will read between every line to try to put her down.

It’s weird.

People did that Christina Aguilera and Britney Spears when they were at the top of their game.

People love to be haters.

The haters seem keenly aware of her lyrics, relationships, age, and other facts about her. It's a bit odd to be so invested in something that's not their cup of tea. Supposedly.

That’s because we’re not haters. We like(d) her music enough and own some of it, but also think the themes and slander of her recent exes on each album is juvenile and has gotten old. It’s like a comedian telling the same joke for 20 years - there’s no range.

I guess you're no longer the target demographic. She's got a fan base and some stick with her, some move on, and some girls may be aging into the angst as tweens who haven't been following her for 18 years. Maybe the music is just not for you anymore.

Yes, I think that’s fair. I just find it interesting that neither Taylor nor her music have really evolved, especially when her whole thing is writing songs like a diary. She definitely has a market and she’s a phenomenon, but I don’t know- I’m her age and I compare her to someone like Billy Joel, who has albums and albums of diverse songs and themes, and I’m just kind of “meh” about TS now. I liked her early stuff but yes, it seems ive outgrown her music, which to me, has gotten stale - and also kind of sad to be trashing your exes so publicly.

And just to add, is that even in her best business interest? What happens if she falls in love and stays in another long term relationship? What if she gets married? Will she write songs if she’s in a stable relationship? Or just perform old ones? Obviously she never has to worry about money, but I assume she’s like being at the top of her game, and if that is dependent upon heartbreak material, she’ll have to go from relationship to relationship forever, pretending she’s shocked and devestating when it ends.

Considering so many of her songs are based on stories and not her real life, which she has been honest about, I don’t think that is a concern. She’s done a really good job of taking inspiration from other things. She’s talked about how a lot of her songs on her pandemic albums were inspired by old movies she watched in lockdown.

I am sure some of this is true. But also some of it probably isn't. Can she admit, I burned for this other man while I was with Joe for 6 years (and before, and after) and wrote dozens of songs about him in code? Good girl, role model Taylor? I used to think that she would never, but then TTPD came out, and now I am actually in awe of her bravery, her grand gesture in the name of love, and her IDGAF attitude. Because she loved Matty Healy, thinks he is worthy and wants the world to know. But why risk it now if she is truly over him? Because I don't think she is.

She is, which is why she can release this album now. The poem she wrote even says so. It’s over - she found a love that means she can finally let this one and all the other men in the past go. It’s a goodbye to so many eras . That’s why the anthology ends on The Manuscript. “The story’s not mine anymore.”

The idea of “the one that got away” is not unique to Taylor. I’d say many people have that one person who, throughout life, acts like a hologram for all the lives and paths we didn’t live because of the ones who chose. They’re an idea more than anything but they’re in the background as the “what if” or the “in another life.” A fantasy more than anything. That’s Matty to her I think.

Yes, I’m happily married and approaching the 2 decade mark with my husband. We have 2 kids and I’m thankful for our family.

But I’m human. I still periodically look into past boyfriends and crushes and what they’re up to. Even been known to have the occasional sex dream about another guy. people are messy and life is complicated. I still love my husband and our life but I haven’t perfectly shut out my past or closed myself off entirely from experiencing conflicting emotions.

Taylor isn’t a mom or married so I imagine this is even more straightforward for her. Plus come on, some of this is just songwriting for the sake of songwriting. She is able to harness emotions and thoughts and build a song out of it. Doesn’t mean every word is biographical.

Taylor writing songs about longing for a past love is the healthier equivalent to people who are 45 Facebook messaging their high school boyfriend to “see how they’re doing.”

And now we realize this pining has been going on for TEN years.

10 that we know of, that’s when they were first spotted publicly. But they might have known each other even before that. I’m actually now questioning some of the songs on 1989 too. Style fits MH a lot more than Harry Styles. Maybe they weren’t dating or having passionate trysts yet at that time, but she could have already been under Matty Healy’s spell and writing about them. There are certainly stories online of her going to his band’s concerts and acting totally smitten.

It’s possible she used titles (Style) and descriptive phrases to dupe everyone, the same way she misled the public about who this album was going to be about or about her 6-year long “Endgame” relationship with Joe, which was probably mostly just a front. I enter into evidence the lyrics in Endgame itself

Style is soooo about Matty Healy. The way she described it is very much in line with what we now know.

I also now believe William Bowery is Matty Healy and not Joe, who covered for them. “This is not the Chelsea Hotel…” but could it be “The Bowery Hotel”? 🤯

NO. Joe said on live TV why he used the pseudonym William Bowery.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting her two diss albums (IMO) Red and now TTPD both followed very very short but passionate relationships.

Matty Healy wasn’t short. She has been in love with him for years. Before, during and after Joe. Just listen to the lyrics in End Game, Illicit Affairs, Cardigan or Question, to name a few.
How are people still not getting this?

They actually dated for a few weeks…

Taylor and Matty probably started talking again when Jack worked with the 1975 in 2022. She appeared on stage with the 1975 in early 2023. Joe probably accused her of cheating (“guilty as sin”) and she likely wanted Joe to make a big gesture for her to stay (“you’re losing me”). She puts “invisible string” on the era setlist to prove her commitment, but they break up and she changes it to a Matty song.

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Anonymous wrote:I find fascinating that years ago nobody believed Taylor’s boyfriends/relationships were even real based on how she monetized every detail about each into song. There was a belief they were all beards and she was closeted .

That’s how badly our society looks down on women dictating their narrative

Please. I for one look down on her and question her monetizing everything because she is a billionaire, not for her gender or sexuality. There are no ethical billionaires. I would do the same for a man who was slagging his exes and relationships in all his songs while making billions selling beer cuffs and fishing poles. Especially if said billionaire didn’t even give his fans half the album in the flash presales.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting her two diss albums (IMO) Red and now TTPD both followed very very short but passionate relationships.

Matty Healy wasn’t short. She has been in love with him for years. Before, during and after Joe. Just listen to the lyrics in End Game, Illicit Affairs, Cardigan or Question, to name a few.
How are people still not getting this?

They actually dated for a few weeks…

Taylor and Matty probably started talking again when Jack worked with the 1975 in 2022. She appeared on stage with the 1975 in early 2023. Joe probably accused her of cheating (“guilty as sin”) and she likely wanted Joe to make a big gesture for her to stay (“you’re losing me”). She puts “invisible string” on the era setlist to prove her commitment, but they break up and she changes it to a Matty song.

She was at his show, then he came to a bunch of hers then they imploded. Like they were probably actually physically together maybe a week or two all together.

[Anonymous]

She sounds like a psycho in this album. Sorry Taylor, not a good look.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She sounds like a psycho in this album. Sorry Taylor, not a good look.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:
Style is soooo about Matty Healy. The way she described it is very much in line with what we now know.

I agree.

Change of Heart by his band The 1975 is believed to be about her and why things didn't work out in 2014. The girl in the song says "You're mad if you think you could ever save me" and smashes a glass in the restaurant as they are breaking up.

Right Where You Left Me by Taylor tells the same story but from the female's perspective. Including breaking a glass at the "restaurant" that she never left.
In that song, Taylor writes "She's still 23 inside her fantasy." And since they are both born in 1989, the math adds to them being 23 in 2012, which is when Taylor probably first fell for Matty Healy and started writing about him. Style and the 1989 album were released 2 full years later, in 2014, which is when they were first linked together.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting her two diss albums (IMO) Red and now TTPD both followed very very short but passionate relationships.

Matty Healy wasn’t short. She has been in love with him for years. Before, during and after Joe. Just listen to the lyrics in End Game, Illicit Affairs, Cardigan or Question, to name a few.
How are people still not getting this?

They actually dated for a few weeks…

Taylor and Matty probably started talking again when Jack worked with the 1975 in 2022. She appeared on stage with the 1975 in early 2023. Joe probably accused her of cheating (“guilty as sin”) and she likely wanted Joe to make a big gesture for her to stay (“you’re losing me”). She puts “invisible string” on the era setlist to prove her commitment, but they break up and she changes it to a Matty song.

She was at his show, then he came to a bunch of hers then they imploded. Like they were probably actually physically together maybe a week or two all together.

Lol, no. "ALL those nights you kept me going, swirled you into ALL of my poems."