So, Republicans, fix immigration!
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Anonymous
+1,000 And then the dolts on this thread blame it on Republicans; when, in reality, it's the Democrats in Congress who block every effort Republicans make to reform illegal immigration. Liberal hypocrisy strikes again (and again). |
Anonymous
It's so telling how no liberals have answered this. And they never will. |
Anonymous
Sure. How about YOU write to your Democratic representatives and tell them to obfuscating and making excuses for illegal immigrants and START working with Republicans to pass Republican-led legislation to reform illegal immigration??? That would be a start. DO IT. http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/18/politics/immigration-bill-house-committee/index.html House committee squares off on aggressive immigration bills By Tal Kopan, CNN Updated 5:30 PM ET, Thu May 18, 2017 A new bill would substantially increase federal and local immigration enforcement The contentious debate will continue into next week. Washington (CNN)Democrats and Republicans on Thursday faced off over immigration policy as a House committee began considering a set of immigration bills that Democrats say would amount to the creation of a "mass deportation force." Proponents of the first bill under consideration by the House judiciary committee -- named after two law enforcement officers who were allegedly murdered by an undocumented immigrant -- advocated for the bill as important to public safety and rule of law. But Democrats on the committee decried the bill as an unnecessarily harsh anti-immigrant push by President Donald Trump. [/b[b]]"Proponents of this bill say that it's necessary to keep us safe, but what the bill really does is pander to the noxious notion that immigrants are criminals and should be dealt with harshly," said immigration subcommittee ranking member Zoe Lofgren, a California Democrat. "This bill gives Trump and (adviser Steve) Bannon the legislation to establish their mass deportation force. ... This bill should really be called the 'Mass Deportation Act,' because that's what it is." Judiciary Chairman Bob Goodlatte said the bill was not intended to target immigrants, but to "respect the rule of law." "This is simply a bill that gives any administration, the current one and future ones, the authority to enforce our laws properly, and gives to state and local governments ... the ability to participate in that enforcement," Goodlatte said. The committee was set to mark up three Republican bills related to immigration on Thursday -- one that would vastly expand the role of state and local jurisdictions in immigration enforcement and two others that would authorize immigration components of the Department of Homeland Security. But by mid-afternoon, the committee recessed until next week after only making its way through two amendments. Both were brought by Democrats to strike portions of the bill, and after lengthy debate, both were rejected by the Republican majority committee. Democrats were expected to continue bringing a number of similar amendments when the markup continues on the nearly 200 page bill. The main bill the committee discussed, the Michael Davis Jr. and Danny Oliver in Honor of State and Local Law Enforcement Act, was introduced by Republican Rep. Raul Labrador of Idaho, and closely resembles similar legislation that the House judiciary committee has advanced in the past and that now-Attorney General Jeff Sessions introduced in his time in the Senate. The Davis-Oliver Act would substantially increase the capabilities of federal and local immigration enforcement, including empowering state and local law enforcement to enact their own immigration laws and penalties. It also would give the government powers to revoke visas, beef up Immigration and Customs Enforcement's ability to arrest and deport undocumented immigrants, increase criminal penalties for undocumented immigrants and punish sanctuary jurisdictions. The two parties went back and forth on the bill, with Democrats decrying it as demonization of all immigrants, as an increase in mass incarceration and as a promotion of racial profiling and as unconstitutional federal overreach. They noted that local law enforcement in sanctuary cities say their policies are important for victims and witnesses of crimes to feel comfortable coming forward. But Labrador said the notion that the bill harms public safety is "the most preposterous and outrageous argument I've ever heard." "For too long we have allowed individuals to enter our country illegally and in many cases do us harm," he said. "While other reforms are needed, this bill is vital to a long-term fix." The other two bills, introduced by Goodlatte, a Virginia Republican, would serve as authorizations for ICE and US Citizenship and Immigration Services, codifying the mission statements of both entities. The USCIS bill would focus the agency, which oversees the issuance of visas and grants immigrants the ability to enter the US, on preventing fraud and security threats and on protecting American jobs from being taken by immigrants. The ICE bill would increase the number of deportation officers and ensure that each one is granted, among other armament an M-4 rifle. Both bills would likely be packaged with a broader Homeland Security authorization being worked on by the House homeland security committee, which has jurisdiction over most of the rest of the department. It's unclear if any of the bills will make it to the full House floor. It is a virtual certainty that Democrats will unanimously oppose the bills, and a substantial number of moderate Republicans could balk at such an aggressive approach to immigration enforcement. Even if the bills were to pass the House, they would need at least eight Democratic votes in the Senate to pass there, assuming all Republicans support the bills. Pro-immigration groups were quick to decry the legislation in advance releases Wednesday. "If enacted, the bills would raise a host of constitutional concerns, undermining public safety and harming immigrants and U.S. citizens alike," said Ronald Newman, policy counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union. "They would also lead to significant, unnecessary federal spending and erode US values and norms. They would provide rocket fuel for President Trump's mass deportation agenda." The Cato Institute, a libertarian-leaning think tank, also offered a statement criticizing the bill. "(H.R. 2431) purports to empower states and localities to take action against serious criminals who have violated immigration law," Cato analyst David Bier wrote. "In reality, the bill is a vehicle for a massive expansion of the federal government and of federal power over states and their citizens." |
Anonymous
Read the article I just posted and then get back to us about "what (or WHO) is holding back Rs from running with that bill?" And place the blame where it's due: on the Democrats. |
Anonymous
Nope. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/07/the-democrats-immigration-mistake/528678/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/democrats-werent-always-super-liberal-on-immigration/ "Whatever the cause of the Democrats’ move to the left on illegal immigration, it’s clearly happening. And as the congressional debate unfolds over DACA, this polarization could play a key role in whether Democrats and Republicans can reach a deal. If a straight up-or-down vote occurs in Congress (not a guarantee), DACA will probably need only a few Republican votes to pass because Democrats are in near unison in how they now view immigration, and illegal immigration in particular. But Republicans and the Trump administration can likely ask only so much in exchange for codifying DACA — Democrats are far less willing to compromise on immigration than they used to be." |
Anonymous
The Democrats aren't "moving" anything. They don't have the votes. The Republicans do have the votes. Or at least they should if they can get their own house in order (but even that seems to be a problem for them). |
Anonymous
Why? The Republicans have a majority in the House, they have a majority in the Senate, and they have a president who will sign the bill. All they have to do is get most of the Republicans in Congress to agree on the legislation. Though it turns out that this is more difficult than just voting no on everything proposed by Obama and the Democrats. |
Anonymous
The Republicans in Congress don't have to do anything. There are already laws on the books that were not being implemented. The Trump administration is now implementing them at the appropriate pace. The only ones complaining about "fixing" immigration are Democrats and the Hispanic lobby. And "fixing" immigration is code for granting amnesty! |
Anonymous
Liar. I answered already. I said I don't. |
Anonymous
If you don't have the votes you don't have the votes. End of story. Trying to blame others again? Pathetic. |
Anonymous
Rs have control. You don't have enough R votes so you blame Ds? Pathetic. |
Anonymous
It's the Democrats' fault that the Republicans don't have enough votes in Congress, obviously! (No, I am not being sincere.) |
Anonymous
Again, Dear, the Democrats are not in charge. The Republicans can get passed anything they want on immigration and it makes no difference what you think the Democrats want or don't want. Be a grownup for once in your sorry life and admit that this is a failing of the Republicans and the current Republican president. It is 100% on you. |
Anonymous
+1000 Bunch of impotent a-holes. |
Anonymous
Dp My husband works for DHS/ICE for 20 years so he has the deportation # of illegals under Obama. Obama lied the #. I oppose amnesty or any type of legalization. Don’t believe in giving rewards for bad behavior. I immigrated legally in 1990s and have been a great citizen. In 2013, there were 4.4 million people waiting for their immigrant visas around the world. It is not fair for these people who paid processing fees and waiting for their visas. |