When you work from home, are you able to go on long runs or walks?

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Anonymous wrote:At home I use half an hour to eat, take the dog out, and do a small 5 min chore like load laundry. I rarely have more time to do anything more than that besides quick bathroom breaks

Yall need real jobs lol

"real jobs" require time for thinking and analysis, which is conducive to exercise breaks. Sorry that your bs pushing paper job isn't.

I mean sure, there’s the walk or shower eureka moment, but most companies don’t recognize that as “work” time

But if your manager is aware that you are puzzling out new bubble sort algorithms during your bench sets, that’s great. If you are justifying lying to your employer under the guise that any thought about work counts as work, that’s dicier. But I’m in general on the side of workers rights, but your attitude is insufferable.

Are you a micromanager or do you just do low level work? If you do high quality work, are responsive, and get your stuff on time, good managers do not care where, where, or how it gets done.

if you are paid by a project basis, as a 1099 employee, sure that’s fine. But most people are paid for full time work, and expectation is if you get your work done early or have extra free time, you will be a professional and take initiative to improve or develop on the business. Not to get the work done and kick back at the gym spa.


But again, yes if the managers are aware that you only do 3 hours of normal “productive” work, and don’t care, that’s great. As long as you aren’t justifying deception, it’s all fair.

This is where you’re wrong. Most people don’t work for a company where there is extra work sitting around, or an interest in an employee trying to “improve or develop on the business.” It should be like this but in reality it doesn’t work this way. I can see how it could work this way at a startup or smaller company. However, at a larger company or government agency this really isn’t encouraged and will likely get you in trouble.

40 hours is an arbitrary number and besides being available 40 hours, the expectation is typically that an employee performs his or her job and deliverables on time. From a common sense perspective this makes sense since what takes one employee 10 hours could take another employee 30.

What kind of lame places do you work where innovation and process improvements are discouraged? If it’s a Federal agency, what a waste of taxpayer money, and if it’s a corporation, they are ripe for disruption. I’ve never worked anyplace where initiative wasn’t rewarded, and I’m a Fed now.

But again, as long as you supervisor knows you are treating your job as a 1099 role based on deliverables that you work on 10 hrs a week, that’s fine. I’m certifying a timesheet that I worked 40 hours in the effort to meet our mission, and I do that, even beyond expected deliverables.

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Anonymous wrote:At home I use half an hour to eat, take the dog out, and do a small 5 min chore like load laundry. I rarely have more time to do anything more than that besides quick bathroom breaks

Yall need real jobs lol

"real jobs" require time for thinking and analysis, which is conducive to exercise breaks. Sorry that your bs pushing paper job isn't.

I mean sure, there’s the walk or shower eureka moment, but most companies don’t recognize that as “work” time

But if your manager is aware that you are puzzling out new bubble sort algorithms during your bench sets, that’s great. If you are justifying lying to your employer under the guise that any thought about work counts as work, that’s dicier. But I’m in general on the side of workers rights, but your attitude is insufferable.

Are you a micromanager or do you just do low level work? If you do high quality work, are responsive, and get your stuff on time, good managers do not care where, where, or how it gets done.

if you are paid by a project basis, as a 1099 employee, sure that’s fine. But most people are paid for full time work, and expectation is if you get your work done early or have extra free time, you will be a professional and take initiative to improve or develop on the business. Not to get the work done and kick back at the gym spa.


But again, yes if the managers are aware that you only do 3 hours of normal “productive” work, and don’t care, that’s great. As long as you aren’t justifying deception, it’s all fair.

This is where you’re wrong. Most people don’t work for a company where there is extra work sitting around, or an interest in an employee trying to “improve or develop on the business.” It should be like this but in reality it doesn’t work this way. I can see how it could work this way at a startup or smaller company. However, at a larger company or government agency this really isn’t encouraged and will likely get you in trouble.

40 hours is an arbitrary number and besides being available 40 hours, the expectation is typically that an employee performs his or her job and deliverables on time. From a common sense perspective this makes sense since what takes one employee 10 hours could take another employee 30.

What kind of lame places do you work where innovation and process improvements are discouraged? If it’s a Federal agency, what a waste of taxpayer money, and if it’s a corporation, they are ripe for disruption. I’ve never worked anyplace where initiative wasn’t rewarded, and I’m a Fed now.

But again, as long as you supervisor knows you are treating your job as a 1099 role based on deliverables that you work on 10 hrs a week, that’s fine. I’m certifying a timesheet that I worked 40 hours in the effort to meet our mission, and I do that, even beyond expected deliverables.

Great. That’s how your job works. Other jobs work differently and you shouldn’t assume because someone is doing their job differently than the way you do yours means they need your advice or judgment.

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It’s like people that have opinions here might lack experience with situations that require overflow or surge capacity. Employees shouldn’t be productive 40 hours a week every week. That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. If that’s how things are at your organization and you can’t scale up quickly to meet new demands, you are toast. That’s why government is broken right now honestly. Too many “efficiency” hawks. If you want to do big things, you need spare capacity.

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Anonymous wrote:At home I use half an hour to eat, take the dog out, and do a small 5 min chore like load laundry. I rarely have more time to do anything more than that besides quick bathroom breaks

Yall need real jobs lol

"real jobs" require time for thinking and analysis, which is conducive to exercise breaks. Sorry that your bs pushing paper job isn't.

I mean sure, there’s the walk or shower eureka moment, but most companies don’t recognize that as “work” time

But if your manager is aware that you are puzzling out new bubble sort algorithms during your bench sets, that’s great. If you are justifying lying to your employer under the guise that any thought about work counts as work, that’s dicier. But I’m in general on the side of workers rights, but your attitude is insufferable.

Are you a micromanager or do you just do low level work? If you do high quality work, are responsive, and get your stuff on time, good managers do not care where, where, or how it gets done.

if you are paid by a project basis, as a 1099 employee, sure that’s fine. But most people are paid for full time work, and expectation is if you get your work done early or have extra free time, you will be a professional and take initiative to improve or develop on the business. Not to get the work done and kick back at the gym spa.


But again, yes if the managers are aware that you only do 3 hours of normal “productive” work, and don’t care, that’s great. As long as you aren’t justifying deception, it’s all fair.

This is where you’re wrong. Most people don’t work for a company where there is extra work sitting around, or an interest in an employee trying to “improve or develop on the business.” It should be like this but in reality it doesn’t work this way. I can see how it could work this way at a startup or smaller company. However, at a larger company or government agency this really isn’t encouraged and will likely get you in trouble.

40 hours is an arbitrary number and besides being available 40 hours, the expectation is typically that an employee performs his or her job and deliverables on time. From a common sense perspective this makes sense since what takes one employee 10 hours could take another employee 30.

What kind of lame places do you work where innovation and process improvements are discouraged? If it’s a Federal agency, what a waste of taxpayer money, and if it’s a corporation, they are ripe for disruption. I’ve never worked anyplace where initiative wasn’t rewarded, and I’m a Fed now.

But again, as long as you supervisor knows you are treating your job as a 1099 role based on deliverables that you work on 10 hrs a week, that’s fine. I’m certifying a timesheet that I worked 40 hours in the effort to meet our mission, and I do that, even beyond expected deliverables.

Great. That’s how your job works. Other jobs work differently and you shouldn’t assume because someone is doing their job differently than the way you do yours means they need your advice or judgment.

Again, I don’t really care how your job works, I just in general do not want people lying to supervisors about how they use their time, because if it becomes widespread, it will roll back the work from home privileges for everybody. Bad apples, and all.

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For my entire career in the medical field I have been at least comfortably productive for an entire 8 hour shift. An “easy” day was when I was done by 16:30 when I was paid to be there until 5pm.

Where on earth are people working where they are only needed for 2-3 hours of an 8 hour shift? I want a career change to that screw medicine!

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For my entire career in the medical field I have been at least comfortably productive for an entire 8 hour shift. An “easy” day was when I was done by 16:30 when I was paid to be there until 5pm.

Where on earth are people working where they are only needed for 2-3 hours of an 8 hour shift? I want a career change to that screw medicine!

I don’t know medical workers who work 5/8 hour days in a row in the hospital. They usually have longer shifts and then take a couple of days off.

I’m sorry you chose a job that is customer service oriented, since you don’t like it. Other jobs are less demanding in that sense, but require other sacrifices.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s like people that have opinions here might lack experience with situations that require overflow or surge capacity. Employees shouldn’t be productive 40 hours a week every week. That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. If that’s how things are at your organization and you can’t scale up quickly to meet new demands, you are toast. That’s why government is broken right now honestly. Too many “efficiency” hawks. If you want to do big things, you need spare capacity.

And apply this to the health care industry and you see why Covid broke things.

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Anonymous wrote:At home I use half an hour to eat, take the dog out, and do a small 5 min chore like load laundry. I rarely have more time to do anything more than that besides quick bathroom breaks

Yall need real jobs lol

"real jobs" require time for thinking and analysis, which is conducive to exercise breaks. Sorry that your bs pushing paper job isn't.

I mean sure, there’s the walk or shower eureka moment, but most companies don’t recognize that as “work” time

But if your manager is aware that you are puzzling out new bubble sort algorithms during your bench sets, that’s great. If you are justifying lying to your employer under the guise that any thought about work counts as work, that’s dicier. But I’m in general on the side of workers rights, but your attitude is insufferable.

Are you a micromanager or do you just do low level work? If you do high quality work, are responsive, and get your stuff on time, good managers do not care where, where, or how it gets done.

if you are paid by a project basis, as a 1099 employee, sure that’s fine. But most people are paid for full time work, and expectation is if you get your work done early or have extra free time, you will be a professional and take initiative to improve or develop on the business. Not to get the work done and kick back at the gym spa.


But again, yes if the managers are aware that you only do 3 hours of normal “productive” work, and don’t care, that’s great. As long as you aren’t justifying deception, it’s all fair.

This is where you’re wrong. Most people don’t work for a company where there is extra work sitting around, or an interest in an employee trying to “improve or develop on the business.” It should be like this but in reality it doesn’t work this way. I can see how it could work this way at a startup or smaller company. However, at a larger company or government agency this really isn’t encouraged and will likely get you in trouble.

40 hours is an arbitrary number and besides being available 40 hours, the expectation is typically that an employee performs his or her job and deliverables on time. From a common sense perspective this makes sense since what takes one employee 10 hours could take another employee 30.

What kind of lame places do you work where innovation and process improvements are discouraged? If it’s a Federal agency, what a waste of taxpayer money, and if it’s a corporation, they are ripe for disruption. I’ve never worked anyplace where initiative wasn’t rewarded, and I’m a Fed now.

But again, as long as you supervisor knows you are treating your job as a 1099 role based on deliverables that you work on 10 hrs a week, that’s fine. I’m certifying a timesheet that I worked 40 hours in the effort to meet our mission, and I do that, even beyond expected deliverables.

Great. That’s how your job works. Other jobs work differently and you shouldn’t assume because someone is doing their job differently than the way you do yours means they need your advice or judgment.

Again, I don’t really care how your job works, I just in general do not want people lying to supervisors about how they use their time, because if it becomes widespread, it will roll back the work from home privileges for everybody. Bad apples, and all.

You care because you think it will hurt you and your WFH arrangement. You are disparaging people (assuming they are lying, scoffing at a 1099 job, calling workplaces lame because they don’t work the way you think they should) because you are worried you will have to start going back in person.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I’m confused. Why are you able to run during the day at those times? Do you even work?

+1 please explain, you said that you don’t work remote. Are you a park ranger?

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Anonymous wrote:At home I use half an hour to eat, take the dog out, and do a small 5 min chore like load laundry. I rarely have more time to do anything more than that besides quick bathroom breaks

Yall need real jobs lol

"real jobs" require time for thinking and analysis, which is conducive to exercise breaks. Sorry that your bs pushing paper job isn't.

I mean sure, there’s the walk or shower eureka moment, but most companies don’t recognize that as “work” time

But if your manager is aware that you are puzzling out new bubble sort algorithms during your bench sets, that’s great. If you are justifying lying to your employer under the guise that any thought about work counts as work, that’s dicier. But I’m in general on the side of workers rights, but your attitude is insufferable.

Are you a micromanager or do you just do low level work? If you do high quality work, are responsive, and get your stuff on time, good managers do not care where, where, or how it gets done.

if you are paid by a project basis, as a 1099 employee, sure that’s fine. But most people are paid for full time work, and expectation is if you get your work done early or have extra free time, you will be a professional and take initiative to improve or develop on the business. Not to get the work done and kick back at the gym spa.


But again, yes if the managers are aware that you only do 3 hours of normal “productive” work, and don’t care, that’s great. As long as you aren’t justifying deception, it’s all fair.

This is where you’re wrong. Most people don’t work for a company where there is extra work sitting around, or an interest in an employee trying to “improve or develop on the business.” It should be like this but in reality it doesn’t work this way. I can see how it could work this way at a startup or smaller company. However, at a larger company or government agency this really isn’t encouraged and will likely get you in trouble.

40 hours is an arbitrary number and besides being available 40 hours, the expectation is typically that an employee performs his or her job and deliverables on time. From a common sense perspective this makes sense since what takes one employee 10 hours could take another employee 30.

What kind of lame places do you work where innovation and process improvements are discouraged? If it’s a Federal agency, what a waste of taxpayer money, and if it’s a corporation, they are ripe for disruption. I’ve never worked anyplace where initiative wasn’t rewarded, and I’m a Fed now.

But again, as long as you supervisor knows you are treating your job as a 1099 role based on deliverables that you work on 10 hrs a week, that’s fine. I’m certifying a timesheet that I worked 40 hours in the effort to meet our mission, and I do that, even beyond expected deliverables.

very few people are expected to innovate or do anything other than what they are told to do. I’d get my hand slapped if I started working on something not my direct responsibility.

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For my entire career in the medical field I have been at least comfortably productive for an entire 8 hour shift. An “easy” day was when I was done by 16:30 when I was paid to be there until 5pm.

Where on earth are people working where they are only needed for 2-3 hours of an 8 hour shift? I want a career change to that screw medicine!

Because we chose careers that aren’t shift work. We are knowledge workers.

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Anonymous wrote:At home I use half an hour to eat, take the dog out, and do a small 5 min chore like load laundry. I rarely have more time to do anything more than that besides quick bathroom breaks

Yall need real jobs lol

"real jobs" require time for thinking and analysis, which is conducive to exercise breaks. Sorry that your bs pushing paper job isn't.

I mean sure, there’s the walk or shower eureka moment, but most companies don’t recognize that as “work” time

But if your manager is aware that you are puzzling out new bubble sort algorithms during your bench sets, that’s great. If you are justifying lying to your employer under the guise that any thought about work counts as work, that’s dicier. But I’m in general on the side of workers rights, but your attitude is insufferable.

Are you a micromanager or do you just do low level work? If you do high quality work, are responsive, and get your stuff on time, good managers do not care where, where, or how it gets done.

if you are paid by a project basis, as a 1099 employee, sure that’s fine. But most people are paid for full time work, and expectation is if you get your work done early or have extra free time, you will be a professional and take initiative to improve or develop on the business. Not to get the work done and kick back at the gym spa.


But again, yes if the managers are aware that you only do 3 hours of normal “productive” work, and don’t care, that’s great. As long as you aren’t justifying deception, it’s all fair.

This is where you’re wrong. Most people don’t work for a company where there is extra work sitting around, or an interest in an employee trying to “improve or develop on the business.” It should be like this but in reality it doesn’t work this way. I can see how it could work this way at a startup or smaller company. However, at a larger company or government agency this really isn’t encouraged and will likely get you in trouble.

40 hours is an arbitrary number and besides being available 40 hours, the expectation is typically that an employee performs his or her job and deliverables on time. From a common sense perspective this makes sense since what takes one employee 10 hours could take another employee 30.

What kind of lame places do you work where innovation and process improvements are discouraged? If it’s a Federal agency, what a waste of taxpayer money, and if it’s a corporation, they are ripe for disruption. I’ve never worked anyplace where initiative wasn’t rewarded, and I’m a Fed now.

But again, as long as you supervisor knows you are treating your job as a 1099 role based on deliverables that you work on 10 hrs a week, that’s fine. I’m certifying a timesheet that I worked 40 hours in the effort to meet our mission, and I do that, even beyond expected deliverables.

I have not done a time sheet in 30 years. But I say the worst part of WFH some people gain and some people lose. In office you have to look busy so guy gets job done on 10 hours has time to help others. At home he does his work then goofs off. On flip side struggling people at home working 50-60 hours a week get no support

At my prior job we had this manager literally goofing off as she has two other side gigs plus a single mom with kids. She hired this remote 23 year old to do all her work and she was working 40-50 hour work weeks. She took all the credit then when lay-off happened she kept job and 23 year old let go. Apparently they thought 23 year old did nothing all day as boss took credit. In person that would no happen

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For my entire career in the medical field I have been at least comfortably productive for an entire 8 hour shift. An “easy” day was when I was done by 16:30 when I was paid to be there until 5pm.

Where on earth are people working where they are only needed for 2-3 hours of an 8 hour shift? I want a career change to that screw medicine!

Because we chose careers that aren’t shift work. We are knowledge workers.

+1 I am a writer and editor. I can sometimes go out for a walk during the day because I have a break between meetings and nothing urgent that I have to get done during that time. Other times I don't have a second free in my day. But I don't have to punch a timecard either way - I am expected to get my work done.

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Anonymous wrote:At home I use half an hour to eat, take the dog out, and do a small 5 min chore like load laundry. I rarely have more time to do anything more than that besides quick bathroom breaks

Yall need real jobs lol

"real jobs" require time for thinking and analysis, which is conducive to exercise breaks. Sorry that your bs pushing paper job isn't.

I mean sure, there’s the walk or shower eureka moment, but most companies don’t recognize that as “work” time

But if your manager is aware that you are puzzling out new bubble sort algorithms during your bench sets, that’s great. If you are justifying lying to your employer under the guise that any thought about work counts as work, that’s dicier. But I’m in general on the side of workers rights, but your attitude is insufferable.

Are you a micromanager or do you just do low level work? If you do high quality work, are responsive, and get your stuff on time, good managers do not care where, where, or how it gets done.

if you are paid by a project basis, as a 1099 employee, sure that’s fine. But most people are paid for full time work, and expectation is if you get your work done early or have extra free time, you will be a professional and take initiative to improve or develop on the business. Not to get the work done and kick back at the gym spa.


But again, yes if the managers are aware that you only do 3 hours of normal “productive” work, and don’t care, that’s great. As long as you aren’t justifying deception, it’s all fair.

This is where you’re wrong. Most people don’t work for a company where there is extra work sitting around, or an interest in an employee trying to “improve or develop on the business.” It should be like this but in reality it doesn’t work this way. I can see how it could work this way at a startup or smaller company. However, at a larger company or government agency this really isn’t encouraged and will likely get you in trouble.

40 hours is an arbitrary number and besides being available 40 hours, the expectation is typically that an employee performs his or her job and deliverables on time. From a common sense perspective this makes sense since what takes one employee 10 hours could take another employee 30.

What kind of lame places do you work where innovation and process improvements are discouraged? If it’s a Federal agency, what a waste of taxpayer money, and if it’s a corporation, they are ripe for disruption. I’ve never worked anyplace where initiative wasn’t rewarded, and I’m a Fed now.

But again, as long as you supervisor knows you are treating your job as a 1099 role based on deliverables that you work on 10 hrs a week, that’s fine. I’m certifying a timesheet that I worked 40 hours in the effort to meet our mission, and I do that, even beyond expected deliverables.

I have not done a time sheet in 30 years. But I say the worst part of WFH some people gain and some people lose. In office you have to look busy so guy gets job done on 10 hours has time to help others. At home he does his work then goofs off. On flip side struggling people at home working 50-60 hours a week get no support

At my prior job we had this manager literally goofing off as she has two other side gigs plus a single mom with kids. She hired this remote 23 year old to do all her work and she was working 40-50 hour work weeks. She took all the credit then when lay-off happened she kept job and 23 year old let go. Apparently they thought 23 year old did nothing all day as boss took credit. In person that would no happen

It seems like work productivity could be tracked online if they really want to.

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I love how the schemers spin dicking around on the clock as lunch or some mental health gobbledygook. You're a freeloading schemer, just admit it.