Trump is going to build the wall

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm all for effective border control and managing immigration in such a way that people with skills enter our country and people who will drain our system are not admitted. Canada has such a system, I believe. But I have read that the most effective way to control illegal immigration is to crack down on the businesses that hire illegal immigrants in large scale. (Meatpacking plants in the Midwest come to mind.) imposing serious fines and possible prison time for owners of these plants would be a good solution, costing much less than a wall. And a wall poses constraints based on terrain and other factors, including extraordinary cost.

This is based on my limited reading on the subject. Could anyone with deeper knowledge of the subject offer their perspective? Would serious crackdowns on business be the best answer to contain illegal immigration? I've read that the Republicans don't want to fine businesses because the business folks are Republicans. Plus, they need this hot-button issue to whip up all the rednecks and racists. And the Democrats don't want to conduct large scale raids on businesses because of concerns about offending citizens and racial profiling.

I would honestly like to learn more about this issue. Building a wall seems ridiculous if there are other, better solutions to the problem of illegal immigration.

Yes, it is. Simple common sense would tell you that even if there weren't data to support it (and I don't have a link right now, will try to find one). The fact that no one talks about this is everything you need to know to recognize that building the wall has nothing to do with undocumented immigrants and everything to do with finding a scapegoat with dark skin to blame.

+1. Agree with both PPs. The wall is a load of BS for various reasons (cost, enforceability, effectiveness, etc). Cracking down on businesses and individuals who hire undocumented workers and giving them harsh punishments would absolutely work. However, there's no way Trump or his party wants to piss off the numerous people and companies doing that very thing-- which apparently includes his own businesses.

[Anonymous]

The wall's also going to keep in illegals who might have left if Trump had started by first cracking down on those who employ them.

[Anonymous]

ESPECIALLY since President Obama deported more immigrants than anyone else in the 20th century

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will Gropenfuhrer Trump use the National Guard to force an Indian nation to acquiesce to having a wall built on tribal land?

Everyone can agree there will be hurdles:

-Native American lands
-privately owned lands (though subject to eminent domain - thanks Kelo v. New London)
-EPA regulations
-physical/terrain problems or impossibilities (though illegal entrants tend not to cross verticals cliff faces either)

No one is claiming this will be easy or perfect.

But it's still a good idea to try something to stem the flood which Obama gladly allowed in for the future benefit of his party.

Do you know how many immigrants enter legally and then overstay visas? Your unhinged "alternative fact" attack on Obama doesn't merit a serious response.

[Anonymous]

Fascist dictatorship in full effect ladies and gentlemen.

Step 1 - Scapegoat people who aren't the real barrier to people's well being and to deflect from the things that do limit thier prosperity (corporate greed, taxing the middle class at ludicrous rates as compared to the wealthy; lack of access to affordable education and healthcare)

Step 2 - Grandstand the crap out of scapegoating them and "doing something" (aka build a wall)

Step 3 - Repeat with new group to scapegoat.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Congress has to authorize the budget for it. Given a freeze on federal hiring, it seems imprudent.

Not too worry. Obama really ballooned federal hiring over his term. We did just fine with less paper pushers, silly servants and professional meeting attenders.

Good grief this is just stunningly ignorant. I hope you're just trolling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will Gropenfuhrer Trump use the National Guard to force an Indian nation to acquiesce to having a wall built on tribal land?

Everyone can agree there will be hurdles:

-Native American lands
-privately owned lands (though subject to eminent domain - thanks Kelo v. New London)
-EPA regulations
-physical/terrain problems or impossibilities (though illegal entrants tend not to cross verticals cliff faces either)

No one is claiming this will be easy or perfect.

But it's still a good idea to try something to stem the flood which Obama gladly allowed in for the future benefit of his party.

Reagan, nor the two Bushes did much either. And they all had some form of amnesty programs, as will Trump.

Funny enough, all Republican Presidents were better than sneaky Deporter-in-Chief Obama.

I hope Trump deports 2 million criminaks, builds a wall AND creates a rational immigration system.

Signed,

Immigrant

[Anonymous]

Unless we are building a wall around the entirety of the United States, this will not be effective. For the reasons already stated, including the fact that most of the people coming here are overstaying visas. They're not scrambling across the border.

And, I think we've also seen that walls bigger and badder than this simply don't work: Berlin Wall, Great Wall of China. They look nice. Kept some people out. In the end, they were failures.

Keep telling yourself that this will make a dent in immigration. After that, I have some nice swampland in Florida. You can build a nice subdivision there. Yuge. You'll enjoy it. Bigly.

[jsteele]

I've said it before, but do not believe anything the Trump Administration says. The EOs have finally been published and regarding the wall the only thing stated is that it is the policy to begin the immediate construction of a wall. That is meaningless. There are no concrete actions outlined. Not one single concrete action regarding a wall. More smoke and mirrors to fool the rubes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Congress has to authorize the budget for it. Given a freeze on federal hiring, it seems imprudent.

Not too worry. Obama really ballooned federal hiring over his term. We did just fine with less paper pushers, silly servants and professional meeting attenders.

That is an alternative fact, AKA a lie.

[Anonymous]

Forget a wall, which there's already one present. Enforce ICE laws and polices and lock them up. Don't offer any state/local government benefits and hopefully they will leave.

Now that he's stripping funding from sanctuary cities; maybe they will go. I sure hope DC doesn't use our tax dollars to supplement for the illegals; although providing an education is already one of them.

[Anonymous]

Where is the funding and manpower going to come from? For a guy who's intent on shrinking the Fed Government, he seems all to willing to do the exact opposite.

Note the CBP and Border Patrol have trouble as it is finding people to work for them because of the low starting pay and awful hiring process. What alternative pool of funds and manpower does Trump expect he can draw on for this wall?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will Gropenfuhrer Trump use the National Guard to force an Indian nation to acquiesce to having a wall built on tribal land?

Everyone can agree there will be hurdles:

-Native American lands
-privately owned lands (though subject to eminent domain - thanks Kelo v. New London)
-EPA regulations
-physical/terrain problems or impossibilities (though illegal entrants tend not to cross verticals cliff faces either)

No one is claiming this will be easy or perfect.

But it's still a good idea to try something to stem the flood which Obama gladly allowed in for the future benefit of his party.

Reagan, nor the two Bushes did much either. And they all had some form of amnesty programs, as will Trump.

Funny enough, all Republican Presidents were better than sneaky Deporter-in-Chief Obama.

I hope Trump deports 2 million criminaks, builds a wall AND creates a rational immigration system.

Signed,

Immigrant

Let's see if we have this right.

Obama deports criminals and others here unlawfully = bad

Trump reports criminals and others here unlawfully = good

Is that about right? And where exactly in your ass did you find the 3 million figure?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Forget a wall, which there's already one present. Enforce ICE laws and polices and lock them up. Don't offer any state/local government benefits and hopefully they will leave.

Now that he's stripping funding from sanctuary cities; maybe they will go. I sure hope DC doesn't use our tax dollars to supplement for the illegals; although providing an education is already one of them.

DC residents pay federal income taxes. DC residents also pay state income taxes and property taxes used to fund the school system, which is supplemented with things like Title 1 funding for some schools and the lunch program. DC is prohibited from imposing a commuter tax.