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Anonymous wrote:People really took advantage of the DAS program. I don’t blame Disney for changing it.

I do. People taking advantage of it is no reason to completely take away DAS from physically disabled people. It’s crazy to me that someone with like cerebral palsy or cancer or MS or whatever can’t use this service anymore because they don’t also have autism.

It doesn't sound like the new policy removes all access to physical disabilities. DAS is just excluding people whose issues can be solved with a pass to leave the line and return or a mobility device (e.g., scooter or wheelchair) so they don't have to stand.

Part of the problem is forcing people to use mobility devices when they don't need them under normal circumstances. I've seen several stories about amputees who are perfectly "mobile" but who have difficulty waiting in long lines, especially in heat, as the day progresses because their prosthesis becomes less comfortable and more painful being denied DAS because they could just get a wheelchair. That seems wrong to me.

NP What?! Someone upthread told me that if my toddler can't wait in 30-60 minute lines I shouldn't go to Disney either.

They can get a scooter. There is nothing “wrong” about that.

Huh. You don't think someone with a genuine physical disability that causes significant pain deserves some accommodation? By the way, ECVs cost $65 per day to rent, but I guess those slacker amputees should just deal.

If they’re walking around a park all day on a prosthesis, there’s no reason they can’t stand in line with the same prosthesis. Or sit on the chair/cane. Or lean on the ropes like the rest of us. If they can’t walk around the park all day and can’t stand in line at all, they get a scooter or a wheelchair.
Quit playing the victim here. There are options. You just don’t like them.

NP. By that logic, people with zero physical disabilities who have autism can also just stand in line for hours.

I don’t think that’s true. If an autistic kid can’t stand in line for an hour they may act out or scream or get physical or cause a disturbance to others waiting in line. It’s a completely different scenario.

This. My kid has to eat in a lunch bunch because he cannot even handle the noise and commotion of the cafeteria at school. If he gets overstimulated/dysregulated he may throw himself on the ground and kick. That doesn’t happen often thankfully, but it does on occasion.

In order for our family to go to Disney, we had to pick a less crowded time, select a few must do rides, and basically have a straight forward itinerary to avoid crossing all over the park and having downtime built in. We bought Genie + in conjunction to using DAS and were able to minimize crowd/line time, take meal breaks while waiting for our return time, and get in and out of the park in a shorter time.

I know people pay a lot of money to go to Disney and I appreciate not having to risk a) my kid losing it 80 minutes into a 90 minute wait and then having to give up on the ride and b) disturbing other guests if my kid flails and is upset.

Why are you taking a kid who can't cope in crowded places to Disney? Goodness. Choose a different vacation.

What’s wrong with you? Disney makes an effort to be inclusive. Kids with disabilities deserve to experience the magic of seeing their favorite characters come to life. My son also needed to eat in a lunch bunch during camp, where he gets dysregulated, but loves Disney world. He was obsessed with Toy Story the first time we went, and the castle. He was mesmerized by the fireworks. And all the entertainment was great for his adhd needs - we just have to know when to take breaks from all the stimulation, which we can do in our small family setting. We modify our vacation to meet his needs, but I can’t imagine having him miss out on Disney altogether. I’ve seen autistic people waiting in lines for cosmic rewind, wearing sensory friendly headphones. This is such a spectacularly out of touch comment.

NP What?! Someone upthread told me that if my toddler can't wait in 30-60 minute lines I shouldn't go to Disney either. Don't all kids deserve the magic of Disney? Their lines are untenable for all.

Yes, if you don’t want to wait in long lines you pay for genie+. The same way you pay for premium economy on an airplane. It’s a different than children with disabilities.

We did pay for genie+... the lightning lanes are still 20-30 min long and then you have to wait in other long lines between your genie + rides.

And if your toddler cannot handle that then they cannot handle Disney.

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Anonymous wrote:People really took advantage of the DAS program. I don’t blame Disney for changing it.

I do. People taking advantage of it is no reason to completely take away DAS from physically disabled people. It’s crazy to me that someone with like cerebral palsy or cancer or MS or whatever can’t use this service anymore because they don’t also have autism.

It doesn't sound like the new policy removes all access to physical disabilities. DAS is just excluding people whose issues can be solved with a pass to leave the line and return or a mobility device (e.g., scooter or wheelchair) so they don't have to stand.

Part of the problem is forcing people to use mobility devices when they don't need them under normal circumstances. I've seen several stories about amputees who are perfectly "mobile" but who have difficulty waiting in long lines, especially in heat, as the day progresses because their prosthesis becomes less comfortable and more painful being denied DAS because they could just get a wheelchair. That seems wrong to me.

NP What?! Someone upthread told me that if my toddler can't wait in 30-60 minute lines I shouldn't go to Disney either.

They can get a scooter. There is nothing “wrong” about that.

Huh. You don't think someone with a genuine physical disability that causes significant pain deserves some accommodation? By the way, ECVs cost $65 per day to rent, but I guess those slacker amputees should just deal.

If they’re walking around a park all day on a prosthesis, there’s no reason they can’t stand in line with the same prosthesis. Or sit on the chair/cane. Or lean on the ropes like the rest of us. If they can’t walk around the park all day and can’t stand in line at all, they get a scooter or a wheelchair.
Quit playing the victim here. There are options. You just don’t like them.

NP. By that logic, people with zero physical disabilities who have autism can also just stand in line for hours.

I don’t think that’s true. If an autistic kid can’t stand in line for an hour they may act out or scream or get physical or cause a disturbance to others waiting in line. It’s a completely different scenario.

This. My kid has to eat in a lunch bunch because he cannot even handle the noise and commotion of the cafeteria at school. If he gets overstimulated/dysregulated he may throw himself on the ground and kick. That doesn’t happen often thankfully, but it does on occasion.

In order for our family to go to Disney, we had to pick a less crowded time, select a few must do rides, and basically have a straight forward itinerary to avoid crossing all over the park and having downtime built in. We bought Genie + in conjunction to using DAS and were able to minimize crowd/line time, take meal breaks while waiting for our return time, and get in and out of the park in a shorter time.

I know people pay a lot of money to go to Disney and I appreciate not having to risk a) my kid losing it 80 minutes into a 90 minute wait and then having to give up on the ride and b) disturbing other guests if my kid flails and is upset.

Why are you taking a kid who can't cope in crowded places to Disney? Goodness. Choose a different vacation.

What’s wrong with you? Disney makes an effort to be inclusive. Kids with disabilities deserve to experience the magic of seeing their favorite characters come to life. My son also needed to eat in a lunch bunch during camp, where he gets dysregulated, but loves Disney world. He was obsessed with Toy Story the first time we went, and the castle. He was mesmerized by the fireworks. And all the entertainment was great for his adhd needs - we just have to know when to take breaks from all the stimulation, which we can do in our small family setting. We modify our vacation to meet his needs, but I can’t imagine having him miss out on Disney altogether. I’ve seen autistic people waiting in lines for cosmic rewind, wearing sensory friendly headphones. This is such a spectacularly out of touch comment.

NP What?! Someone upthread told me that if my toddler can't wait in 30-60 minute lines I shouldn't go to Disney either. Don't all kids deserve the magic of Disney? Their lines are untenable for all.

Yes, if you don’t want to wait in long lines you pay for genie+. The same way you pay for premium economy on an airplane. It’s a different than children with disabilities.

We did pay for genie+... the lightning lanes are still 20-30 min long and then you have to wait in other long lines between your genie + rides.

And if your toddler cannot handle that then they cannot handle Disney.

Not really, you can call that ADHD, autism, or anxiety and boom, get a DAS pass. It's apparently very easy. What you can't do is rent a scooter anymore and have it be a disability that qualifies. You don't need a doctor's note or diagnosis to qualify you just have to register for the process and have a video chat.

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Anonymous wrote:People really took advantage of the DAS program. I don’t blame Disney for changing it.

I do. People taking advantage of it is no reason to completely take away DAS from physically disabled people. It’s crazy to me that someone with like cerebral palsy or cancer or MS or whatever can’t use this service anymore because they don’t also have autism.

It doesn't sound like the new policy removes all access to physical disabilities. DAS is just excluding people whose issues can be solved with a pass to leave the line and return or a mobility device (e.g., scooter or wheelchair) so they don't have to stand.

Part of the problem is forcing people to use mobility devices when they don't need them under normal circumstances. I've seen several stories about amputees who are perfectly "mobile" but who have difficulty waiting in long lines, especially in heat, as the day progresses because their prosthesis becomes less comfortable and more painful being denied DAS because they could just get a wheelchair. That seems wrong to me.

NP What?! Someone upthread told me that if my toddler can't wait in 30-60 minute lines I shouldn't go to Disney either.

They can get a scooter. There is nothing “wrong” about that.

Huh. You don't think someone with a genuine physical disability that causes significant pain deserves some accommodation? By the way, ECVs cost $65 per day to rent, but I guess those slacker amputees should just deal.

If they’re walking around a park all day on a prosthesis, there’s no reason they can’t stand in line with the same prosthesis. Or sit on the chair/cane. Or lean on the ropes like the rest of us. If they can’t walk around the park all day and can’t stand in line at all, they get a scooter or a wheelchair.
Quit playing the victim here. There are options. You just don’t like them.

NP. By that logic, people with zero physical disabilities who have autism can also just stand in line for hours.

I don’t think that’s true. If an autistic kid can’t stand in line for an hour they may act out or scream or get physical or cause a disturbance to others waiting in line. It’s a completely different scenario.

This. My kid has to eat in a lunch bunch because he cannot even handle the noise and commotion of the cafeteria at school. If he gets overstimulated/dysregulated he may throw himself on the ground and kick. That doesn’t happen often thankfully, but it does on occasion.

In order for our family to go to Disney, we had to pick a less crowded time, select a few must do rides, and basically have a straight forward itinerary to avoid crossing all over the park and having downtime built in. We bought Genie + in conjunction to using DAS and were able to minimize crowd/line time, take meal breaks while waiting for our return time, and get in and out of the park in a shorter time.

I know people pay a lot of money to go to Disney and I appreciate not having to risk a) my kid losing it 80 minutes into a 90 minute wait and then having to give up on the ride and b) disturbing other guests if my kid flails and is upset.

Why are you taking a kid who can't cope in crowded places to Disney? Goodness. Choose a different vacation.

What’s wrong with you? Disney makes an effort to be inclusive. Kids with disabilities deserve to experience the magic of seeing their favorite characters come to life. My son also needed to eat in a lunch bunch during camp, where he gets dysregulated, but loves Disney world. He was obsessed with Toy Story the first time we went, and the castle. He was mesmerized by the fireworks. And all the entertainment was great for his adhd needs - we just have to know when to take breaks from all the stimulation, which we can do in our small family setting. We modify our vacation to meet his needs, but I can’t imagine having him miss out on Disney altogether. I’ve seen autistic people waiting in lines for cosmic rewind, wearing sensory friendly headphones. This is such a spectacularly out of touch comment.

NP What?! Someone upthread told me that if my toddler can't wait in 30-60 minute lines I shouldn't go to Disney either. Don't all kids deserve the magic of Disney? Their lines are untenable for all.

Yes, if you don’t want to wait in long lines you pay for genie+. The same way you pay for premium economy on an airplane. It’s a different than children with disabilities.

We did pay for genie+... the lightning lanes are still 20-30 min long and then you have to wait in other long lines between your genie + rides.

And if your toddler cannot handle that then they cannot handle Disney.

Not really, you can call that ADHD, autism, or anxiety and boom, get a DAS pass. It's apparently very easy. What you can't do is rent a scooter anymore and have it be a disability that qualifies. You don't need a doctor's note or diagnosis to qualify you just have to register for the process and have a video chat.

DAS puts you in the same line as a lightning lane/genie+. There are going to be waits. My son does qualify for DAS and we have walked out before when he cannot handle even a lightning lane wait. We do our best.

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Anonymous wrote:People really took advantage of the DAS program. I don’t blame Disney for changing it.

I do. People taking advantage of it is no reason to completely take away DAS from physically disabled people. It’s crazy to me that someone with like cerebral palsy or cancer or MS or whatever can’t use this service anymore because they don’t also have autism.

It doesn't sound like the new policy removes all access to physical disabilities. DAS is just excluding people whose issues can be solved with a pass to leave the line and return or a mobility device (e.g., scooter or wheelchair) so they don't have to stand.

Part of the problem is forcing people to use mobility devices when they don't need them under normal circumstances. I've seen several stories about amputees who are perfectly "mobile" but who have difficulty waiting in long lines, especially in heat, as the day progresses because their prosthesis becomes less comfortable and more painful being denied DAS because they could just get a wheelchair. That seems wrong to me.

NP What?! Someone upthread told me that if my toddler can't wait in 30-60 minute lines I shouldn't go to Disney either.

They can get a scooter. There is nothing “wrong” about that.

Huh. You don't think someone with a genuine physical disability that causes significant pain deserves some accommodation? By the way, ECVs cost $65 per day to rent, but I guess those slacker amputees should just deal.

If they’re walking around a park all day on a prosthesis, there’s no reason they can’t stand in line with the same prosthesis. Or sit on the chair/cane. Or lean on the ropes like the rest of us. If they can’t walk around the park all day and can’t stand in line at all, they get a scooter or a wheelchair.
Quit playing the victim here. There are options. You just don’t like them.

NP. By that logic, people with zero physical disabilities who have autism can also just stand in line for hours.

I don’t think that’s true. If an autistic kid can’t stand in line for an hour they may act out or scream or get physical or cause a disturbance to others waiting in line. It’s a completely different scenario.

This. My kid has to eat in a lunch bunch because he cannot even handle the noise and commotion of the cafeteria at school. If he gets overstimulated/dysregulated he may throw himself on the ground and kick. That doesn’t happen often thankfully, but it does on occasion.

In order for our family to go to Disney, we had to pick a less crowded time, select a few must do rides, and basically have a straight forward itinerary to avoid crossing all over the park and having downtime built in. We bought Genie + in conjunction to using DAS and were able to minimize crowd/line time, take meal breaks while waiting for our return time, and get in and out of the park in a shorter time.

I know people pay a lot of money to go to Disney and I appreciate not having to risk a) my kid losing it 80 minutes into a 90 minute wait and then having to give up on the ride and b) disturbing other guests if my kid flails and is upset.

Why are you taking a kid who can't cope in crowded places to Disney? Goodness. Choose a different vacation.

What’s wrong with you? Disney makes an effort to be inclusive. Kids with disabilities deserve to experience the magic of seeing their favorite characters come to life. My son also needed to eat in a lunch bunch during camp, where he gets dysregulated, but loves Disney world. He was obsessed with Toy Story the first time we went, and the castle. He was mesmerized by the fireworks. And all the entertainment was great for his adhd needs - we just have to know when to take breaks from all the stimulation, which we can do in our small family setting. We modify our vacation to meet his needs, but I can’t imagine having him miss out on Disney altogether. I’ve seen autistic people waiting in lines for cosmic rewind, wearing sensory friendly headphones. This is such a spectacularly out of touch comment.

NP What?! Someone upthread told me that if my toddler can't wait in 30-60 minute lines I shouldn't go to Disney either. Don't all kids deserve the magic of Disney? Their lines are untenable for all.

Yes, if you don’t want to wait in long lines you pay for genie+. The same way you pay for premium economy on an airplane. It’s a different than children with disabilities.

We did pay for genie+... the lightning lanes are still 20-30 min long and then you have to wait in other long lines between your genie + rides.

And if your toddler cannot handle that then they cannot handle Disney.

Not really, you can call that ADHD, autism, or anxiety and boom, get a DAS pass. It's apparently very easy. What you can't do is rent a scooter anymore and have it be a disability that qualifies. You don't need a doctor's note or diagnosis to qualify you just have to register for the process and have a video chat.

Also, this is lying. I would never lie about my child’s condition. I am completely honest with Disney about his conditions and behaviors, and they can tell me if that qualifies or not. Shame on people who lie.

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Anonymous wrote:People really took advantage of the DAS program. I don’t blame Disney for changing it.

I do. People taking advantage of it is no reason to completely take away DAS from physically disabled people. It’s crazy to me that someone with like cerebral palsy or cancer or MS or whatever can’t use this service anymore because they don’t also have autism.

It doesn't sound like the new policy removes all access to physical disabilities. DAS is just excluding people whose issues can be solved with a pass to leave the line and return or a mobility device (e.g., scooter or wheelchair) so they don't have to stand.

Part of the problem is forcing people to use mobility devices when they don't need them under normal circumstances. I've seen several stories about amputees who are perfectly "mobile" but who have difficulty waiting in long lines, especially in heat, as the day progresses because their prosthesis becomes less comfortable and more painful being denied DAS because they could just get a wheelchair. That seems wrong to me.

NP What?! Someone upthread told me that if my toddler can't wait in 30-60 minute lines I shouldn't go to Disney either.

They can get a scooter. There is nothing “wrong” about that.

Huh. You don't think someone with a genuine physical disability that causes significant pain deserves some accommodation? By the way, ECVs cost $65 per day to rent, but I guess those slacker amputees should just deal.

If they’re walking around a park all day on a prosthesis, there’s no reason they can’t stand in line with the same prosthesis. Or sit on the chair/cane. Or lean on the ropes like the rest of us. If they can’t walk around the park all day and can’t stand in line at all, they get a scooter or a wheelchair.
Quit playing the victim here. There are options. You just don’t like them.

NP. By that logic, people with zero physical disabilities who have autism can also just stand in line for hours.

I don’t think that’s true. If an autistic kid can’t stand in line for an hour they may act out or scream or get physical or cause a disturbance to others waiting in line. It’s a completely different scenario.

This. My kid has to eat in a lunch bunch because he cannot even handle the noise and commotion of the cafeteria at school. If he gets overstimulated/dysregulated he may throw himself on the ground and kick. That doesn’t happen often thankfully, but it does on occasion.

In order for our family to go to Disney, we had to pick a less crowded time, select a few must do rides, and basically have a straight forward itinerary to avoid crossing all over the park and having downtime built in. We bought Genie + in conjunction to using DAS and were able to minimize crowd/line time, take meal breaks while waiting for our return time, and get in and out of the park in a shorter time.

I know people pay a lot of money to go to Disney and I appreciate not having to risk a) my kid losing it 80 minutes into a 90 minute wait and then having to give up on the ride and b) disturbing other guests if my kid flails and is upset.

Why are you taking a kid who can't cope in crowded places to Disney? Goodness. Choose a different vacation.

What’s wrong with you? Disney makes an effort to be inclusive. Kids with disabilities deserve to experience the magic of seeing their favorite characters come to life. My son also needed to eat in a lunch bunch during camp, where he gets dysregulated, but loves Disney world. He was obsessed with Toy Story the first time we went, and the castle. He was mesmerized by the fireworks. And all the entertainment was great for his adhd needs - we just have to know when to take breaks from all the stimulation, which we can do in our small family setting. We modify our vacation to meet his needs, but I can’t imagine having him miss out on Disney altogether. I’ve seen autistic people waiting in lines for cosmic rewind, wearing sensory friendly headphones. This is such a spectacularly out of touch comment.

NP What?! Someone upthread told me that if my toddler can't wait in 30-60 minute lines I shouldn't go to Disney either. Don't all kids deserve the magic of Disney? Their lines are untenable for all.

Yes, if you don’t want to wait in long lines you pay for genie+. The same way you pay for premium economy on an airplane. It’s a different than children with disabilities.

We did pay for genie+... the lightning lanes are still 20-30 min long and then you have to wait in other long lines between your genie + rides.

And if your toddler cannot handle that then they cannot handle Disney.

Not really, you can call that ADHD, autism, or anxiety and boom, get a DAS pass. It's apparently very easy. What you can't do is rent a scooter anymore and have it be a disability that qualifies. You don't need a doctor's note or diagnosis to qualify you just have to register for the process and have a video chat.

DAS puts you in the same line as a lightning lane/genie+. There are going to be waits. My son does qualify for DAS and we have walked out before when he cannot handle even a lightning lane wait. We do our best.

My daughter would qualify too but we're not going to do it (we go in 1 month), we will just do Genie + and make it work. When it becomes too much we just do something else because dragging her on a ride when she's hot, tired and overwhelmed is a bad idea. We accept that we won't be able to ride every ride on one day.

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Anonymous wrote:People really took advantage of the DAS program. I don’t blame Disney for changing it.

I do. People taking advantage of it is no reason to completely take away DAS from physically disabled people. It’s crazy to me that someone with like cerebral palsy or cancer or MS or whatever can’t use this service anymore because they don’t also have autism.

It doesn't sound like the new policy removes all access to physical disabilities. DAS is just excluding people whose issues can be solved with a pass to leave the line and return or a mobility device (e.g., scooter or wheelchair) so they don't have to stand.

Part of the problem is forcing people to use mobility devices when they don't need them under normal circumstances. I've seen several stories about amputees who are perfectly "mobile" but who have difficulty waiting in long lines, especially in heat, as the day progresses because their prosthesis becomes less comfortable and more painful being denied DAS because they could just get a wheelchair. That seems wrong to me.

NP What?! Someone upthread told me that if my toddler can't wait in 30-60 minute lines I shouldn't go to Disney either.

They can get a scooter. There is nothing “wrong” about that.

Huh. You don't think someone with a genuine physical disability that causes significant pain deserves some accommodation? By the way, ECVs cost $65 per day to rent, but I guess those slacker amputees should just deal.

If they’re walking around a park all day on a prosthesis, there’s no reason they can’t stand in line with the same prosthesis. Or sit on the chair/cane. Or lean on the ropes like the rest of us. If they can’t walk around the park all day and can’t stand in line at all, they get a scooter or a wheelchair.
Quit playing the victim here. There are options. You just don’t like them.

NP. By that logic, people with zero physical disabilities who have autism can also just stand in line for hours.

I don’t think that’s true. If an autistic kid can’t stand in line for an hour they may act out or scream or get physical or cause a disturbance to others waiting in line. It’s a completely different scenario.

This. My kid has to eat in a lunch bunch because he cannot even handle the noise and commotion of the cafeteria at school. If he gets overstimulated/dysregulated he may throw himself on the ground and kick. That doesn’t happen often thankfully, but it does on occasion.

In order for our family to go to Disney, we had to pick a less crowded time, select a few must do rides, and basically have a straight forward itinerary to avoid crossing all over the park and having downtime built in. We bought Genie + in conjunction to using DAS and were able to minimize crowd/line time, take meal breaks while waiting for our return time, and get in and out of the park in a shorter time.

I know people pay a lot of money to go to Disney and I appreciate not having to risk a) my kid losing it 80 minutes into a 90 minute wait and then having to give up on the ride and b) disturbing other guests if my kid flails and is upset.

Why are you taking a kid who can't cope in crowded places to Disney? Goodness. Choose a different vacation.

What’s wrong with you? Disney makes an effort to be inclusive. Kids with disabilities deserve to experience the magic of seeing their favorite characters come to life. My son also needed to eat in a lunch bunch during camp, where he gets dysregulated, but loves Disney world. He was obsessed with Toy Story the first time we went, and the castle. He was mesmerized by the fireworks. And all the entertainment was great for his adhd needs - we just have to know when to take breaks from all the stimulation, which we can do in our small family setting. We modify our vacation to meet his needs, but I can’t imagine having him miss out on Disney altogether. I’ve seen autistic people waiting in lines for cosmic rewind, wearing sensory friendly headphones. This is such a spectacularly out of touch comment.

NP What?! Someone upthread told me that if my toddler can't wait in 30-60 minute lines I shouldn't go to Disney either. Don't all kids deserve the magic of Disney? Their lines are untenable for all.

Yes, if you don’t want to wait in long lines you pay for genie+. The same way you pay for premium economy on an airplane. It’s a different than children with disabilities.

We did pay for genie+... the lightning lanes are still 20-30 min long and then you have to wait in other long lines between your genie + rides.

And if your toddler cannot handle that then they cannot handle Disney.

Not really, you can call that ADHD, autism, or anxiety and boom, get a DAS pass. It's apparently very easy. What you can't do is rent a scooter anymore and have it be a disability that qualifies. You don't need a doctor's note or diagnosis to qualify you just have to register for the process and have a video chat.

Also, this is lying. I would never lie about my child’s condition. I am completely honest with Disney about his conditions and behaviors, and they can tell me if that qualifies or not. Shame on people who lie.

Of course people are lying. But they should require actual documentation or paperwork if they want to stop it. It's the honor system.

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Anonymous wrote:People really took advantage of the DAS program. I don’t blame Disney for changing it.

I do. People taking advantage of it is no reason to completely take away DAS from physically disabled people. It’s crazy to me that someone with like cerebral palsy or cancer or MS or whatever can’t use this service anymore because they don’t also have autism.

It doesn't sound like the new policy removes all access to physical disabilities. DAS is just excluding people whose issues can be solved with a pass to leave the line and return or a mobility device (e.g., scooter or wheelchair) so they don't have to stand.

Part of the problem is forcing people to use mobility devices when they don't need them under normal circumstances. I've seen several stories about amputees who are perfectly "mobile" but who have difficulty waiting in long lines, especially in heat, as the day progresses because their prosthesis becomes less comfortable and more painful being denied DAS because they could just get a wheelchair. That seems wrong to me.

NP What?! Someone upthread told me that if my toddler can't wait in 30-60 minute lines I shouldn't go to Disney either.

They can get a scooter. There is nothing “wrong” about that.

Huh. You don't think someone with a genuine physical disability that causes significant pain deserves some accommodation? By the way, ECVs cost $65 per day to rent, but I guess those slacker amputees should just deal.

If they’re walking around a park all day on a prosthesis, there’s no reason they can’t stand in line with the same prosthesis. Or sit on the chair/cane. Or lean on the ropes like the rest of us. If they can’t walk around the park all day and can’t stand in line at all, they get a scooter or a wheelchair.
Quit playing the victim here. There are options. You just don’t like them.

NP. By that logic, people with zero physical disabilities who have autism can also just stand in line for hours.

I don’t think that’s true. If an autistic kid can’t stand in line for an hour they may act out or scream or get physical or cause a disturbance to others waiting in line. It’s a completely different scenario.

This. My kid has to eat in a lunch bunch because he cannot even handle the noise and commotion of the cafeteria at school. If he gets overstimulated/dysregulated he may throw himself on the ground and kick. That doesn’t happen often thankfully, but it does on occasion.

In order for our family to go to Disney, we had to pick a less crowded time, select a few must do rides, and basically have a straight forward itinerary to avoid crossing all over the park and having downtime built in. We bought Genie + in conjunction to using DAS and were able to minimize crowd/line time, take meal breaks while waiting for our return time, and get in and out of the park in a shorter time.

I know people pay a lot of money to go to Disney and I appreciate not having to risk a) my kid losing it 80 minutes into a 90 minute wait and then having to give up on the ride and b) disturbing other guests if my kid flails and is upset.

Why are you taking a kid who can't cope in crowded places to Disney? Goodness. Choose a different vacation.

What’s wrong with you? Disney makes an effort to be inclusive. Kids with disabilities deserve to experience the magic of seeing their favorite characters come to life. My son also needed to eat in a lunch bunch during camp, where he gets dysregulated, but loves Disney world. He was obsessed with Toy Story the first time we went, and the castle. He was mesmerized by the fireworks. And all the entertainment was great for his adhd needs - we just have to know when to take breaks from all the stimulation, which we can do in our small family setting. We modify our vacation to meet his needs, but I can’t imagine having him miss out on Disney altogether. I’ve seen autistic people waiting in lines for cosmic rewind, wearing sensory friendly headphones. This is such a spectacularly out of touch comment.

NP What?! Someone upthread told me that if my toddler can't wait in 30-60 minute lines I shouldn't go to Disney either. Don't all kids deserve the magic of Disney? Their lines are untenable for all.

Yes, if you don’t want to wait in long lines you pay for genie+. The same way you pay for premium economy on an airplane. It’s a different than children with disabilities.

We did pay for genie+... the lightning lanes are still 20-30 min long and then you have to wait in other long lines between your genie + rides.

And if your toddler cannot handle that then they cannot handle Disney.

Not really, you can call that ADHD, autism, or anxiety and boom, get a DAS pass. It's apparently very easy. What you can't do is rent a scooter anymore and have it be a disability that qualifies. You don't need a doctor's note or diagnosis to qualify you just have to register for the process and have a video chat.

Also, this is lying. I would never lie about my child’s condition. I am completely honest with Disney about his conditions and behaviors, and they can tell me if that qualifies or not. Shame on people who lie.

And one more point- I wish my son didn’t have the difficulties that make him eligible for a DAS pass. One accommodation on a five day trip to Disney world does not make up for how much harder he needs to work on a daily basis to function in his everyday life. It does not compensate for the impact it has on our family and other child. I wish people understood this and had empathy for families of children with special needs.

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Anonymous wrote:It should be either/or. You shouldn't be able to use Genie + if you have DAS. It's double dipping.

Apparently, Disney does not agree with you, at least not under the old system.

https://plandisney.disney.go.com/question/das-genie-time-495493/

I will also add that using Genie Plus and DAS is also helpful because it allows the other party members to ride with shorter lines while the person with DAS sits out to rest.

Well luckily the party is now limited to a max of 4 people and only immediate family. Letting the DAS person sit and rest while everyone else jumps the queue? GTFO.

I don't think you understand. The DAS holder has to scan in before the rest of their party to use the Lightning Lane. The rest of the party can't go if the DAS holder isn't with them. By buying Genie +, the non-disabled members of the party can use the Lightning Lanes that they paid for when the DAS holder isn't with them.

Then it's not "allowing everyone to ride" is it? Or are you saying the DAS guest scans and then sits down? What a crock.

Can you read? I am saying that when using DAS, the DAS holder has to scan in before the rest of the party and go on the ride with them. If the DAS holder needs rest time, if you have purchased Genie +, other members of the party can use Lightning Lane when the DAS holder isn't with them.

Do you understand what double dipping is? Because that's not it. We're not even talking about the same thing. If you are limited to one ride per day/ride using Genie + it is double dipping to use DAS and Genie + to ride the same ride twice in a day. Fact is people are abusing the system. There are way too many people so Disney has cracked down. Are you going to argue that nobody was abusing this?

You only get 2 DAS passes per day. So you really are only “double dipping”twice. Which doesn’t seem at all like a big big deal to me. But once again I have no dog in this fight. We’ve never had to use the DAS.

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Anonymous wrote:It should be either/or. You shouldn't be able to use Genie + if you have DAS. It's double dipping.

Apparently, Disney does not agree with you, at least not under the old system.

https://plandisney.disney.go.com/question/das-genie-time-495493/

I will also add that using Genie Plus and DAS is also helpful because it allows the other party members to ride with shorter lines while the person with DAS sits out to rest.

Well luckily the party is now limited to a max of 4 people and only immediate family. Letting the DAS person sit and rest while everyone else jumps the queue? GTFO.

I don't think you understand. The DAS holder has to scan in before the rest of their party to use the Lightning Lane. The rest of the party can't go if the DAS holder isn't with them. By buying Genie +, the non-disabled members of the party can use the Lightning Lanes that they paid for when the DAS holder isn't with them.

Then it's not "allowing everyone to ride" is it? Or are you saying the DAS guest scans and then sits down? What a crock.

Can you read? I am saying that when using DAS, the DAS holder has to scan in before the rest of the party and go on the ride with them. If the DAS holder needs rest time, if you have purchased Genie +, other members of the party can use Lightning Lane when the DAS holder isn't with them.

Do you understand what double dipping is? Because that's not it. We're not even talking about the same thing. If you are limited to one ride per day/ride using Genie + it is double dipping to use DAS and Genie + to ride the same ride twice in a day. Fact is people are abusing the system. There are way too many people so Disney has cracked down. Are you going to argue that nobody was abusing this?

You only get 2 DAS passes per day. So you really are only “double dipping”twice. Which doesn’t seem at all like a big big deal to me. But once again I have no dog in this fight. We’ve never had to use the DAS.

That is not true. You can have 2 selected in advance. The day of you can book return times for other rides. But only one active return at a time.

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We went to Disney (once). Even though we had the DAS pass, there was still a day when we paid for our whole family of 5 to go into Epcot and my dc didn't even last to see or do one activity. So all the ticket fees for that day just down the drain.

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I think Disney also wants to crack down on the DAS wagons. They banned wagons for everyone else, but were still allowing them for DAS.

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Anonymous wrote:It should be either/or. You shouldn't be able to use Genie + if you have DAS. It's double dipping.

Apparently, Disney does not agree with you, at least not under the old system.

https://plandisney.disney.go.com/question/das-genie-time-495493/

I will also add that using Genie Plus and DAS is also helpful because it allows the other party members to ride with shorter lines while the person with DAS sits out to rest.

Well luckily the party is now limited to a max of 4 people and only immediate family. Letting the DAS person sit and rest while everyone else jumps the queue? GTFO.

I don't think you understand. The DAS holder has to scan in before the rest of their party to use the Lightning Lane. The rest of the party can't go if the DAS holder isn't with them. By buying Genie +, the non-disabled members of the party can use the Lightning Lanes that they paid for when the DAS holder isn't with them.

Then it's not "allowing everyone to ride" is it? Or are you saying the DAS guest scans and then sits down? What a crock.

Can you read? I am saying that when using DAS, the DAS holder has to scan in before the rest of the party and go on the ride with them. If the DAS holder needs rest time, if you have purchased Genie +, other members of the party can use Lightning Lane when the DAS holder isn't with them.

Do you understand what double dipping is? Because that's not it. We're not even talking about the same thing. If you are limited to one ride per day/ride using Genie + it is double dipping to use DAS and Genie + to ride the same ride twice in a day. Fact is people are abusing the system. There are way too many people so Disney has cracked down. Are you going to argue that nobody was abusing this?

You only get 2 DAS passes per day. So you really are only “double dipping”twice. Which doesn’t seem at all like a big big deal to me. But once again I have no dog in this fight. We’ve never had to use the DAS.

That is not true. You can have 2 selected in advance. The day of you can book return times for other rides. But only one active return at a time.

Sorry. I did not know that. But if someone is paying for Genie + (and it ain’t cheap) I still don’t think that’s double dipping. I mean you’re paying just like everybody else is. You’re entitled to a free DAS pass. You are paying for the extra. I don’t know how that’s double dipping – I just really don’t see it that way.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It should be either/or. You shouldn't be able to use Genie + if you have DAS. It's double dipping.

Apparently, Disney does not agree with you, at least not under the old system.

https://plandisney.disney.go.com/question/das-genie-time-495493/

I will also add that using Genie Plus and DAS is also helpful because it allows the other party members to ride with shorter lines while the person with DAS sits out to rest.

Well luckily the party is now limited to a max of 4 people and only immediate family. Letting the DAS person sit and rest while everyone else jumps the queue? GTFO.

I don't think you understand. The DAS holder has to scan in before the rest of their party to use the Lightning Lane. The rest of the party can't go if the DAS holder isn't with them. By buying Genie +, the non-disabled members of the party can use the Lightning Lanes that they paid for when the DAS holder isn't with them.

Then it's not "allowing everyone to ride" is it? Or are you saying the DAS guest scans and then sits down? What a crock.

Can you read? I am saying that when using DAS, the DAS holder has to scan in before the rest of the party and go on the ride with them. If the DAS holder needs rest time, if you have purchased Genie +, other members of the party can use Lightning Lane when the DAS holder isn't with them.

Do you understand what double dipping is? Because that's not it. We're not even talking about the same thing. If you are limited to one ride per day/ride using Genie + it is double dipping to use DAS and Genie + to ride the same ride twice in a day. Fact is people are abusing the system. There are way too many people so Disney has cracked down. Are you going to argue that nobody was abusing this?

You only get 2 DAS passes per day. So you really are only “double dipping”twice. Which doesn’t seem at all like a big big deal to me. But once again I have no dog in this fight. We’ve never had to use the DAS.

That is not true. You can have 2 selected in advance. The day of you can book return times for other rides. But only one active return at a time.

Sorry. I did not know that. But if someone is paying for Genie + (and it ain’t cheap) I still don’t think that’s double dipping. I mean you’re paying just like everybody else is. You’re entitled to a free DAS pass. You are paying for the extra. I don’t know how that’s double dipping – I just really don’t see it that way.

Ok. I don't see how it is in the spirit of the system to use it to ride the same rides more often than everyone else and that's what people end up doing. It's nice that they make it better for people who can't wait in the lines but it's a bit naive to think people haven't been milking it to power thru the day. There are all kinds of tip boards on how to maximize the day doing this.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It should be either/or. You shouldn't be able to use Genie + if you have DAS. It's double dipping.

Apparently, Disney does not agree with you, at least not under the old system.

https://plandisney.disney.go.com/question/das-genie-time-495493/

I will also add that using Genie Plus and DAS is also helpful because it allows the other party members to ride with shorter lines while the person with DAS sits out to rest.

Well luckily the party is now limited to a max of 4 people and only immediate family. Letting the DAS person sit and rest while everyone else jumps the queue? GTFO.

I don't think you understand. The DAS holder has to scan in before the rest of their party to use the Lightning Lane. The rest of the party can't go if the DAS holder isn't with them. By buying Genie +, the non-disabled members of the party can use the Lightning Lanes that they paid for when the DAS holder isn't with them.

Then it's not "allowing everyone to ride" is it? Or are you saying the DAS guest scans and then sits down? What a crock.

Can you read? I am saying that when using DAS, the DAS holder has to scan in before the rest of the party and go on the ride with them. If the DAS holder needs rest time, if you have purchased Genie +, other members of the party can use Lightning Lane when the DAS holder isn't with them.

Do you understand what double dipping is? Because that's not it. We're not even talking about the same thing. If you are limited to one ride per day/ride using Genie + it is double dipping to use DAS and Genie + to ride the same ride twice in a day. Fact is people are abusing the system. There are way too many people so Disney has cracked down. Are you going to argue that nobody was abusing this?

You only get 2 DAS passes per day. So you really are only “double dipping”twice. Which doesn’t seem at all like a big big deal to me. But once again I have no dog in this fight. We’ve never had to use the DAS.

That is not true. You can have 2 selected in advance. The day of you can book return times for other rides. But only one active return at a time.

Sorry. I did not know that. But if someone is paying for Genie + (and it ain’t cheap) I still don’t think that’s double dipping. I mean you’re paying just like everybody else is. You’re entitled to a free DAS pass. You are paying for the extra. I don’t know how that’s double dipping – I just really don’t see it that way.

Ok. I don't see how it is in the spirit of the system to use it to ride the same rides more often than everyone else and that's what people end up doing. It's nice that they make it better for people who can't wait in the lines but it's a bit naive to think people haven't been milking it to power thru the day. There are all kinds of tip boards on how to maximize the day doing this.

Well, if Disney is OK with it, then it’s just goes against your personal moral compass. Which really doesn’t mean anything in the grand scheme of things.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It should be either/or. You shouldn't be able to use Genie + if you have DAS. It's double dipping.

Apparently, Disney does not agree with you, at least not under the old system.

https://plandisney.disney.go.com/question/das-genie-time-495493/

I will also add that using Genie Plus and DAS is also helpful because it allows the other party members to ride with shorter lines while the person with DAS sits out to rest.

Well luckily the party is now limited to a max of 4 people and only immediate family. Letting the DAS person sit and rest while everyone else jumps the queue? GTFO.

I don't think you understand. The DAS holder has to scan in before the rest of their party to use the Lightning Lane. The rest of the party can't go if the DAS holder isn't with them. By buying Genie +, the non-disabled members of the party can use the Lightning Lanes that they paid for when the DAS holder isn't with them.

Then it's not "allowing everyone to ride" is it? Or are you saying the DAS guest scans and then sits down? What a crock.

Can you read? I am saying that when using DAS, the DAS holder has to scan in before the rest of the party and go on the ride with them. If the DAS holder needs rest time, if you have purchased Genie +, other members of the party can use Lightning Lane when the DAS holder isn't with them.

Do you understand what double dipping is? Because that's not it. We're not even talking about the same thing. If you are limited to one ride per day/ride using Genie + it is double dipping to use DAS and Genie + to ride the same ride twice in a day. Fact is people are abusing the system. There are way too many people so Disney has cracked down. Are you going to argue that nobody was abusing this?

You only get 2 DAS passes per day. So you really are only “double dipping”twice. Which doesn’t seem at all like a big big deal to me. But once again I have no dog in this fight. We’ve never had to use the DAS.

That is not true. You can have 2 selected in advance. The day of you can book return times for other rides. But only one active return at a time.

Sorry. I did not know that. But if someone is paying for Genie + (and it ain’t cheap) I still don’t think that’s double dipping. I mean you’re paying just like everybody else is. You’re entitled to a free DAS pass. You are paying for the extra. I don’t know how that’s double dipping – I just really don’t see it that way.

Ok. I don't see how it is in the spirit of the system to use it to ride the same rides more often than everyone else and that's what people end up doing. It's nice that they make it better for people who can't wait in the lines but it's a bit naive to think people haven't been milking it to power thru the day. There are all kinds of tip boards on how to maximize the day doing this.

Well, if Disney is OK with it, then it’s just goes against your personal moral compass. Which really doesn’t mean anything in the grand scheme of things.

They're not ok with it, hence the cracking down on the abuse.