CDC said they might not have thimerisol-free h1n1 vaccines

Anonymous
Just fyi. I called them and they said that even though their web site says there will be thim-free vaccines, there might not be. Wanted to make sure you all saw this, posted in the body of my other post about the CDC.
Anonymous
You could have just added this to the other thread. It's kind of confusing with two threads now.
Anonymous
It's OK. It's a small amount and they will only get it in the flu shot since it is already gone from the childhood immunizations.

And the autism claims have been totally shot down. They got rid of it in all the childhood immunizations years ago, and yet autism rates are going up. It's way past time to let this one go as a health issue.

Please, it is better to get the vaccine to prevent a known illness than to worry about a preservative that has has been studied to death with no problems.
Anonymous
That's what I thought, too, not too much to worry about re: thimerisol. But this June 2009 scientific article is a little scary: http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~content=a910652305~db=all~jumptype=rss:

"Thimerosal at low nanomolar (nM) concentrations induced significant cellular toxicity in human neuronal and fetal cells. Thimerosal-induced cytoxicity is similar to that observed in AD pathophysiologic studies. Thimerosal was found to be significantly more toxic than the other metal compounds examined"
Anonymous
I agree it isn't a problem, but Arlington Country REFUSES to give non-thimerosal free vacs to children under 36 months. By this logic, Arlington country will not be vaccinating children under 3 EVER.
Anonymous
my questionis- if there is no problem with it- why does arlington refuse to give it?
Anonymous
The autism link with thimerosal doesn't exist, but it is "possibly" dangerous in large amounts to very young infants. Like getting 6 shots at once all containing thimerosal. That's the only concern I would have, which like PP said, has been eliminated since no childhood vaccines have it anymore, other than this flu shot. I don't think one shot in a day containing thimerosal would be dangerous to an infant over six months. Mercury is dangerous in large amounts, but this shot doesn't contain much. And a child's body will metabolize and excrete it before the child has to get the second dose several weeks later.
Anonymous
9:58 - that "study" was done by The Institute for Chronic Illnesses, which was founded by Mark and David Geier, who have patented a "treatment" for autism using Lupron. The manufacturer, Abbot Labs, has refused further work with the Geiers because there's no scientific evidence that their "treatment" protocol actually works.

So basically, that's a load of crap.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:9:58 - that "study" was done by The Institute for Chronic Illnesses, which was founded by Mark and David Geier, who have patented a "treatment" for autism using Lupron. The manufacturer, Abbot Labs, has refused further work with the Geiers because there's no scientific evidence that their "treatment" protocol actually works.

So basically, that's a load of crap.


Thanks for this clarification.

Also, didn't most vaccines we were growing up with contain thimerisol? I was told by a physician once, that the vaccines they had in the 50s, 60s, 70s, were loaded with a bunch more crap than the ones now. Technology has allowed the vaccines to become much more targeted in the past 30 years. So even though we were getting a ton FEWER vaccines, because they were loaded with so many more things, our children are actually getting less "stuff" than us.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I agree it isn't a problem, but Arlington Country REFUSES to give non-thimerosal free vacs to children under 36 months. By this logic, Arlington country will not be vaccinating children under 3 EVER.


The above information is factually incorrect.

Arlington County is not giving flu injections that are formulated with the .5 dosage to children under the age of 36 months. They will only inject children under 36 months with the approved dosage, which is .25 It has nothing to do with thimerosol.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:my questionis- if there is no problem with it- why does arlington refuse to give it?


Because it is lawmakers/politicians making the decision not scientists and doctors. I doubt Arlington County knows something we don't know.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:That's what I thought, too, not too much to worry about re: thimerisol. But this June 2009 scientific article is a little scary: http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~content=a910652305~db=all~jumptype=rss:

"Thimerosal at low nanomolar (nM) concentrations induced significant cellular toxicity in human neuronal and fetal cells. Thimerosal-induced cytoxicity is similar to that observed in AD pathophysiologic studies. Thimerosal was found to be significantly more toxic than the other metal compounds examined"


I NEVER trust any paper by the Geiers. They are VERY biased and have their own agenda with thimerisol. Please do a search for them -- none of their studies have been replicated by ANYONE but THEM.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:my questionis- if there is no problem with it- why does arlington refuse to give it?


Because it is lawmakers/politicians making the decision not scientists and doctors. I doubt Arlington County knows something we don't know.


Seriously folks - please actually read the past posts. It has nothing to do with thimerisol. Arlington does not have the .25 dose and that's what is given, per CDC guidelines, to those 2 and under in the shot form. Arlington is giving the spray to two year olds who don't require the shot for medical reasons.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:my questionis- if there is no problem with it- why does arlington refuse to give it?


Because it is lawmakers/politicians making the decision not scientists and doctors. I doubt Arlington County knows something we don't know.


Because it has nothing to do with thimerosol. There are two versions of the injectible flu vaccinbe. One for kids over 36 months, and one for kids ages 6 months to 36 months. The one for infants and toddlers has less antigen than the one for older children and adults. NO ONE is giving infants and toddlers the injected vaccine for older kids.

The confusion lies in the fact that the FluMist IS approved for kids 2 and up. So if a place says that they will vaccinate kids ages 2 and up, they mean, with the Flu Mist. But if your 2 and a half year old child has certain high risk conditions, he isn't supposed to get the Flu Mist. He shoudl get the shot. But he needs the shot that is for kids 6 months to 36 months. He can't get the one that is for kids over 36 months. Again not because of thimerosol, but because the dosage is different.
Anonymous
PP here -- sorry earlier PP, I didn't read what you had written first!
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