Why is Northeastern (NEU) so popular with both parents and students these days?

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Anonymous wrote:It is becoming increasingly obvious to me that the haters have never been to Northeastern's campus.

Even the most jaded would be impressed with it. The new buildings are state of the art. There is green space. The students are vibrant and engaged. It is a remarkable transformation.

On a tour of Boston colleges Northeastern was the one that stood out. BC was over structured and kind of basic. BU lacked a true campus but the tour/info session was good. Tufts was super honest about wanting students who want to go there and show interest in the school.

Lots of good choices.

But if you haven't been on a tour or visit in awhile, I don't think you can understand the vibrancy of the Northeastern campus.

+1. Agree.

If the poster is who we think it is - you are absolutely correct. They do not go anywhere (by normal people's measure), due to their mental illness. Thank you for your astute reasoning and keen observation. They have quite a record!

The saddest part is that the poster is disappointed in their own kids, and also targeting another kid in particular at the same time. The first part is sad, but the second part is pathetic. They and their "friends" (misery does indeed love company!) - two in particular, have been identified several times as posters on the same topics, targeting the same person.

You would think they would learn, for shame. If they were smart they would know when to stop, but they simply do not, which is their downfall.

I am a recent "hater" poster as you like to call me. I am not the OP. And my kid long graduated already from a top 20 school and never had an interest in Northeastern beyond taking a tour in the spring of his junior year of HS.

Uh huh. Sure. Whatever you say on an anonymous board must be true. LOL.

Exactly what I thought. Opinions from someone who doesn’t know anything about Northeastern.

And sort of sad that your kid “graduated long ago” and you have interest in this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:It is becoming increasingly obvious to me that the haters have never been to Northeastern's campus.

Even the most jaded would be impressed with it. The new buildings are state of the art. There is green space. The students are vibrant and engaged. It is a remarkable transformation.

On a tour of Boston colleges Northeastern was the one that stood out. BC was over structured and kind of basic. BU lacked a true campus but the tour/info session was good. Tufts was super honest about wanting students who want to go there and show interest in the school.

Lots of good choices.

But if you haven't been on a tour or visit in awhile, I don't think you can understand the vibrancy of the Northeastern campus.

+1. Agree.

If the poster is who we think it is - you are absolutely correct. They do not go anywhere (by normal people's measure), due to their mental illness. Thank you for your astute reasoning and keen observation. They have quite a record!

The saddest part is that the poster is disappointed in their own kids, and also targeting another kid in particular at the same time. The first part is sad, but the second part is pathetic. They and their "friends" (misery does indeed love company!) - two in particular, have been identified several times as posters on the same topics, targeting the same person.

You would think they would learn, for shame. If they were smart they would know when to stop, but they simply do not, which is their downfall.

I am a recent "hater" poster as you like to call me. I am not the OP. And my kid long graduated already from a top 20 school and never had an interest in Northeastern beyond taking a tour in the spring of his junior year of HS.

Uh huh. Sure. Whatever you say on an anonymous board must be true. LOL.

Exactly what I thought. Opinions from someone who doesn’t know anything about Northeastern.

And sort of sad that your kid “graduated long ago” and you have interest in this thread.

Who??

We loved NEU when we visited! If is not for you, fine. I simply do not see the point in coming here to complain about a school you don't attend. Which is exactly why I *do* understand people questioning you on it - and generally thinking that you are ridiculous, and proving why you were not admitted.

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Anonymous wrote:It is becoming increasingly obvious to me that the haters have never been to Northeastern's campus.

Even the most jaded would be impressed with it. The new buildings are state of the art. There is green space. The students are vibrant and engaged. It is a remarkable transformation.

On a tour of Boston colleges Northeastern was the one that stood out. BC was over structured and kind of basic. BU lacked a true campus but the tour/info session was good. Tufts was super honest about wanting students who want to go there and show interest in the school.

Lots of good choices.

But if you haven't been on a tour or visit in awhile, I don't think you can understand the vibrancy of the Northeastern campus.

+1. Agree.

If the poster is who we think it is - you are absolutely correct. They do not go anywhere (by normal people's measure), due to their mental illness. Thank you for your astute reasoning and keen observation. They have quite a record!

The saddest part is that the poster is disappointed in their own kids, and also targeting another kid in particular at the same time. The first part is sad, but the second part is pathetic. They and their "friends" (misery does indeed love company!) - two in particular, have been identified several times as posters on the same topics, targeting the same person.

You would think they would learn, for shame. If they were smart they would know when to stop, but they simply do not, which is their downfall.

I am a recent "hater" poster as you like to call me. I am not the OP. And my kid long graduated already from a top 20 school and never had an interest in Northeastern beyond taking a tour in the spring of his junior year of HS.

Yes! because my friends that graduated from MIT definitely come here to rail on other schools. Uh huh. Sure.

Loser.

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Anonymous wrote:It is becoming increasingly obvious to me that the haters have never been to Northeastern's campus.

Even the most jaded would be impressed with it. The new buildings are state of the art. There is green space. The students are vibrant and engaged. It is a remarkable transformation.

On a tour of Boston colleges Northeastern was the one that stood out. BC was over structured and kind of basic. BU lacked a true campus but the tour/info session was good. Tufts was super honest about wanting students who want to go there and show interest in the school.

Lots of good choices.

But if you haven't been on a tour or visit in awhile, I don't think you can understand the vibrancy of the Northeastern campus.

In a way, knowing that the NEU hater has never stepped foot on campus, knows nothing about higher education and repeatedly chimes in negatively about NEU shows you something. NEU and BU are probably the most visited campuses in the entire country where a family will tour one in the morning, and the other in the afternoon. Ask those who have visited both. See what their opinion is. NEU does a great job on their tours. The campus is vibrant. The students are smart. The outcomes are great. So big surprise, they get a ton of applications.

The absurdity of perjoratively calling it a "commuter school back in the 1980's" as being reflective of its status today is probably lost on the poster.

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Anonymous wrote:The coop program has always seemed genuinely cool to me.

That said, in the areas I'm familiar with, the quality of the faculty are not remotely competitive with similarly-ranked universities. And it is extremely common knowledge that the president spent years gaming the USNWR rankings in every way possible--the entire institution was organized around that goal. It worked! But I don't think it represented any big increase in quality, and the people I know who worked there during that era all despised the way it governed everything.

I would guess the popularity means that there's a much bigger market for coop type programs than people used to think. And I definitely understand why many people would prioritize that over having access to "world class faculty" or whatever. If your kid isn't going to do academic research, then the difference between the faculty at Northeastern and at Harvard is probably immaterial.

The school has improved vastly in every way if that's what gaming is about. Who would be the best judge of the 'quality'? the industry and employers who are actually willing to pay for the products.  It looks like Northeastern's quality is highly respected.

There's a misunderstanding about coop at Northeastern. 
There are about 39 R1 private universities in the US, and Northeastern is one of them.
In case you don't what that is about,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_research_universities_in_the_United_States
It especially has high research activities in the areas of CS, engineering, STEM.
For example, https://csrankings.org/#/index?all&us  this ranking is based on research activities.
So there are plenty of research activities and students are involved in research.

Unless you are a trust fund kid, everyone is highly interested in internships these days.
Coop is basically an internship but with much more flexibility and better support from the school.

Here's what the gaming is about. https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2014/08/26/how-northeastern-gamed-the-college-rankings/

well, that piece just confirms what I thought. 1996 = commuter school. I lived in Boston and coumd not understand the NEU booster here

I guess you turn your nose up to Boston College also? Because a couple of decades before Northeastern was a commuter school, so was BC.

https://beacon.bc.edu/the-long-view/

But by 1964, when he graduated, Pat had begun to see rapid change on the horizon with the opening of three residence halls—Roncalli, Williams, and Walsh—to accommodate the growing number of students who needed to live at the Heights.

“Boston College was considered a commuter school back then,” says Pat Stokes. “And now students come from across the country and all over the world,” he continues. “We have some of the top programs, and we are recognized throughout the United States.”

Northeastern was not a commuter school in 1996. Maybe in 1956 - I actually know someone who attended during that time. NEU was always a top engineering school and still is. In fact, BU has always been a commuter school, and MIT and Harvard both started as commuter schools.

It is not as if any of those are commuter schools current day, such as Mason.

Did you even read the article? https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2014/08/26/how-northeastern-gamed-the-college-rankings/

"In 1996, Richard Freeland looked across the sea of crumbling parking lots that was Northeastern University and saw an opportunity few others could. As the school’s new president, he had inherited a third-tier, blue-collar, commuter-based university whose defining campus feature was a collection of modest utilitarian buildings south of Huntington Avenue, with a sprinkling of newly planted trees."

And now it is a vibrant, world-class university. Is it shameful that they have improved so much? Have you seen the new science building?
https://www.bizjournals.com/boston/news/2023/06/08/northeastern-university-exp-building.html

Why is it so bad that they have become such a prestigious university? Does it hurt you personally?

Only if I have to walk by and see that ugly building.

Northeastern is a fine school. But I wouldn't call it prestigious. Prestige and reputation is not built overnight by constructing new buildings, shuffling professors around to get the right class size, rejecting holistic admissions to gain the highest average SAT score, or going on whirlwind tours to promote your school to academia. No. Prestige is earned through years of consistent excellence. This formula feels shaky. I think I other PPs on this thread agree that it has improved through all of those efforts, but that the "boosters" who try to take it a step further and claim prestige on the level of MIT and Harvard are just fooling themselves. That's why it is not a top 20 and never will be.

It will never be a top 20?

It IS a top 20 by any objective measure. Its acceptance rate is lower than Harvard and the SAT scores are on par.

Acceptance rate is not a measure of prestige. Popularity? Yes. Popularity is not a metric for the USNWR rankings.

NEU's acceptance rate is 3.4%

Harvard's is 5.6%.

By definition NEU is more selective.

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Anonymous wrote:The coop program has always seemed genuinely cool to me.

That said, in the areas I'm familiar with, the quality of the faculty are not remotely competitive with similarly-ranked universities. And it is extremely common knowledge that the president spent years gaming the USNWR rankings in every way possible--the entire institution was organized around that goal. It worked! But I don't think it represented any big increase in quality, and the people I know who worked there during that era all despised the way it governed everything.

I would guess the popularity means that there's a much bigger market for coop type programs than people used to think. And I definitely understand why many people would prioritize that over having access to "world class faculty" or whatever. If your kid isn't going to do academic research, then the difference between the faculty at Northeastern and at Harvard is probably immaterial.

The school has improved vastly in every way if that's what gaming is about. Who would be the best judge of the 'quality'? the industry and employers who are actually willing to pay for the products.  It looks like Northeastern's quality is highly respected.

There's a misunderstanding about coop at Northeastern. 
There are about 39 R1 private universities in the US, and Northeastern is one of them.
In case you don't what that is about,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_research_universities_in_the_United_States
It especially has high research activities in the areas of CS, engineering, STEM.
For example, https://csrankings.org/#/index?all&us  this ranking is based on research activities.
So there are plenty of research activities and students are involved in research.

Unless you are a trust fund kid, everyone is highly interested in internships these days.
Coop is basically an internship but with much more flexibility and better support from the school.

Here's what the gaming is about. https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2014/08/26/how-northeastern-gamed-the-college-rankings/

well, that piece just confirms what I thought. 1996 = commuter school. I lived in Boston and coumd not understand the NEU booster here

I guess you turn your nose up to Boston College also? Because a couple of decades before Northeastern was a commuter school, so was BC.

https://beacon.bc.edu/the-long-view/

But by 1964, when he graduated, Pat had begun to see rapid change on the horizon with the opening of three residence halls—Roncalli, Williams, and Walsh—to accommodate the growing number of students who needed to live at the Heights.

“Boston College was considered a commuter school back then,” says Pat Stokes. “And now students come from across the country and all over the world,” he continues. “We have some of the top programs, and we are recognized throughout the United States.”

Northeastern was not a commuter school in 1996. Maybe in 1956 - I actually know someone who attended during that time. NEU was always a top engineering school and still is. In fact, BU has always been a commuter school, and MIT and Harvard both started as commuter schools.

It is not as if any of those are commuter schools current day, such as Mason.

Did you even read the article? https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2014/08/26/how-northeastern-gamed-the-college-rankings/

"In 1996, Richard Freeland looked across the sea of crumbling parking lots that was Northeastern University and saw an opportunity few others could. As the school’s new president, he had inherited a third-tier, blue-collar, commuter-based university whose defining campus feature was a collection of modest utilitarian buildings south of Huntington Avenue, with a sprinkling of newly planted trees."

And now it is a vibrant, world-class university. Is it shameful that they have improved so much? Have you seen the new science building?
https://www.bizjournals.com/boston/news/2023/06/08/northeastern-university-exp-building.html

Why is it so bad that they have become such a prestigious university? Does it hurt you personally?

Only if I have to walk by and see that ugly building.

Northeastern is a fine school. But I wouldn't call it prestigious. Prestige and reputation is not built overnight by constructing new buildings, shuffling professors around to get the right class size, rejecting holistic admissions to gain the highest average SAT score, or going on whirlwind tours to promote your school to academia. No. Prestige is earned through years of consistent excellence. This formula feels shaky. I think I other PPs on this thread agree that it has improved through all of those efforts, but that the "boosters" who try to take it a step further and claim prestige on the level of MIT and Harvard are just fooling themselves. That's why it is not a top 20 and never will be.

It will never be a top 20?

It IS a top 20 by any objective measure. Its acceptance rate is lower than Harvard and the SAT scores are on par.

Acceptance rate is not a measure of prestige. Popularity? Yes. Popularity is not a metric for the USNWR rankings.

NEU's acceptance rate is 3.4%

Harvard's is 5.6%.

By definition NEU is more selective.

And just when I thought this thread had died... NEU super booster busts through the wall like the Kool Aid Man... Oh Yeah!

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Wait, are people on this thread really claiming that Northeastern is remotely similar to Harvard and MIT in academic quality? That's just laughable.

Harvard gets the best faculty because they pay a ton, they give very generous research support, and they require comparatively little teaching. Northeastern can't compete on any of those fronts. Academically, it is one of the weaker schools within the group it's ranked with in the USNWR listing.

That doesn't mean it's a bad school, and there are plenty of good reasons a student might choose to go there. But the idea that it's competing with Harvard is just wacky.

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Anonymous wrote:The coop program has always seemed genuinely cool to me.

That said, in the areas I'm familiar with, the quality of the faculty are not remotely competitive with similarly-ranked universities. And it is extremely common knowledge that the president spent years gaming the USNWR rankings in every way possible--the entire institution was organized around that goal. It worked! But I don't think it represented any big increase in quality, and the people I know who worked there during that era all despised the way it governed everything.

I would guess the popularity means that there's a much bigger market for coop type programs than people used to think. And I definitely understand why many people would prioritize that over having access to "world class faculty" or whatever. If your kid isn't going to do academic research, then the difference between the faculty at Northeastern and at Harvard is probably immaterial.

The school has improved vastly in every way if that's what gaming is about. Who would be the best judge of the 'quality'? the industry and employers who are actually willing to pay for the products.  It looks like Northeastern's quality is highly respected.

There's a misunderstanding about coop at Northeastern. 
There are about 39 R1 private universities in the US, and Northeastern is one of them.
In case you don't what that is about,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_research_universities_in_the_United_States
It especially has high research activities in the areas of CS, engineering, STEM.
For example, https://csrankings.org/#/index?all&us  this ranking is based on research activities.
So there are plenty of research activities and students are involved in research.

Unless you are a trust fund kid, everyone is highly interested in internships these days.
Coop is basically an internship but with much more flexibility and better support from the school.

Here's what the gaming is about. https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2014/08/26/how-northeastern-gamed-the-college-rankings/

well, that piece just confirms what I thought. 1996 = commuter school. I lived in Boston and coumd not understand the NEU booster here

I guess you turn your nose up to Boston College also? Because a couple of decades before Northeastern was a commuter school, so was BC.

https://beacon.bc.edu/the-long-view/

But by 1964, when he graduated, Pat had begun to see rapid change on the horizon with the opening of three residence halls—Roncalli, Williams, and Walsh—to accommodate the growing number of students who needed to live at the Heights.

“Boston College was considered a commuter school back then,” says Pat Stokes. “And now students come from across the country and all over the world,” he continues. “We have some of the top programs, and we are recognized throughout the United States.”

Northeastern was not a commuter school in 1996. Maybe in 1956 - I actually know someone who attended during that time. NEU was always a top engineering school and still is. In fact, BU has always been a commuter school, and MIT and Harvard both started as commuter schools.

It is not as if any of those are commuter schools current day, such as Mason.

Did you even read the article? https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2014/08/26/how-northeastern-gamed-the-college-rankings/

"In 1996, Richard Freeland looked across the sea of crumbling parking lots that was Northeastern University and saw an opportunity few others could. As the school’s new president, he had inherited a third-tier, blue-collar, commuter-based university whose defining campus feature was a collection of modest utilitarian buildings south of Huntington Avenue, with a sprinkling of newly planted trees."

And now it is a vibrant, world-class university. Is it shameful that they have improved so much? Have you seen the new science building?
https://www.bizjournals.com/boston/news/2023/06/08/northeastern-university-exp-building.html

Why is it so bad that they have become such a prestigious university? Does it hurt you personally?

Only if I have to walk by and see that ugly building.

Northeastern is a fine school. But I wouldn't call it prestigious. Prestige and reputation is not built overnight by constructing new buildings, shuffling professors around to get the right class size, rejecting holistic admissions to gain the highest average SAT score, or going on whirlwind tours to promote your school to academia. No. Prestige is earned through years of consistent excellence. This formula feels shaky. I think I other PPs on this thread agree that it has improved through all of those efforts, but that the "boosters" who try to take it a step further and claim prestige on the level of MIT and Harvard are just fooling themselves. That's why it is not a top 20 and never will be.

It will never be a top 20?

It IS a top 20 by any objective measure. Its acceptance rate is lower than Harvard and the SAT scores are on par.

Acceptance rate is not a measure of prestige. Popularity? Yes. Popularity is not a metric for the USNWR rankings.

NEU's acceptance rate is 3.4%

Harvard's is 5.6%.

By definition NEU is more selective.

And just when I thought this thread had died... NEU super booster busts through the wall like the Kool Aid Man... Oh Yeah!

Sorry to burst your bubble, but you got trolled by an anti-NEU troll. That's what this has come to. The anti-NEU trolls are now trolling so much, they're knocking into and over themselves as they attempt to save the world...from I don't know what.

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Anonymous wrote:Wait, are people on this thread really claiming that Northeastern is remotely similar to Harvard and MIT in academic quality? That's just laughable.

Harvard gets the best faculty because they pay a ton, they give very generous research support, and they require comparatively little teaching. Northeastern can't compete on any of those fronts. Academically, it is one of the weaker schools within the group it's ranked with in the USNWR listing.

That doesn't mean it's a bad school, and there are plenty of good reasons a student might choose to go there. But the idea that it's competing with Harvard is just wacky.

No one is saying that - you are missing the analogy and want to nitpick. Point being, people who were admitted to allegedly better schools as some claim ("T20" - suuuuuuuure) would not be here to complain about what they see as a lesser school. On any front.

OP and company wants people to feed them facts about Northeastern because OP and company are too stupid to scrutinize their Googling, and can't decipher good information/sources from bad information/sources. Which is not our problem.

OP and company's predictable pattern has failed in all ways. They keep repeating the same "argument" expecting a different result.

DELICIOUS.

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Anonymous wrote:The coop program has always seemed genuinely cool to me.

That said, in the areas I'm familiar with, the quality of the faculty are not remotely competitive with similarly-ranked universities. And it is extremely common knowledge that the president spent years gaming the USNWR rankings in every way possible--the entire institution was organized around that goal. It worked! But I don't think it represented any big increase in quality, and the people I know who worked there during that era all despised the way it governed everything.

I would guess the popularity means that there's a much bigger market for coop type programs than people used to think. And I definitely understand why many people would prioritize that over having access to "world class faculty" or whatever. If your kid isn't going to do academic research, then the difference between the faculty at Northeastern and at Harvard is probably immaterial.

The school has improved vastly in every way if that's what gaming is about. Who would be the best judge of the 'quality'? the industry and employers who are actually willing to pay for the products.  It looks like Northeastern's quality is highly respected.

There's a misunderstanding about coop at Northeastern. 
There are about 39 R1 private universities in the US, and Northeastern is one of them.
In case you don't what that is about,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_research_universities_in_the_United_States
It especially has high research activities in the areas of CS, engineering, STEM.
For example, https://csrankings.org/#/index?all&us  this ranking is based on research activities.
So there are plenty of research activities and students are involved in research.

Unless you are a trust fund kid, everyone is highly interested in internships these days.
Coop is basically an internship but with much more flexibility and better support from the school.

Here's what the gaming is about. https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2014/08/26/how-northeastern-gamed-the-college-rankings/

well, that piece just confirms what I thought. 1996 = commuter school. I lived in Boston and coumd not understand the NEU booster here

I guess you turn your nose up to Boston College also? Because a couple of decades before Northeastern was a commuter school, so was BC.

https://beacon.bc.edu/the-long-view/

But by 1964, when he graduated, Pat had begun to see rapid change on the horizon with the opening of three residence halls—Roncalli, Williams, and Walsh—to accommodate the growing number of students who needed to live at the Heights.

“Boston College was considered a commuter school back then,” says Pat Stokes. “And now students come from across the country and all over the world,” he continues. “We have some of the top programs, and we are recognized throughout the United States.”

Northeastern was not a commuter school in 1996. Maybe in 1956 - I actually know someone who attended during that time. NEU was always a top engineering school and still is. In fact, BU has always been a commuter school, and MIT and Harvard both started as commuter schools.

It is not as if any of those are commuter schools current day, such as Mason.

Did you even read the article? https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2014/08/26/how-northeastern-gamed-the-college-rankings/

"In 1996, Richard Freeland looked across the sea of crumbling parking lots that was Northeastern University and saw an opportunity few others could. As the school’s new president, he had inherited a third-tier, blue-collar, commuter-based university whose defining campus feature was a collection of modest utilitarian buildings south of Huntington Avenue, with a sprinkling of newly planted trees."

And now it is a vibrant, world-class university. Is it shameful that they have improved so much? Have you seen the new science building?
https://www.bizjournals.com/boston/news/2023/06/08/northeastern-university-exp-building.html

Why is it so bad that they have become such a prestigious university? Does it hurt you personally?

Only if I have to walk by and see that ugly building.

Northeastern is a fine school. But I wouldn't call it prestigious. Prestige and reputation is not built overnight by constructing new buildings, shuffling professors around to get the right class size, rejecting holistic admissions to gain the highest average SAT score, or going on whirlwind tours to promote your school to academia. No. Prestige is earned through years of consistent excellence. This formula feels shaky. I think I other PPs on this thread agree that it has improved through all of those efforts, but that the "boosters" who try to take it a step further and claim prestige on the level of MIT and Harvard are just fooling themselves. That's why it is not a top 20 and never will be.

It will never be a top 20?

It IS a top 20 by any objective measure. Its acceptance rate is lower than Harvard and the SAT scores are on par.

Acceptance rate is not a measure of prestige. Popularity? Yes. Popularity is not a metric for the USNWR rankings.

NEU's acceptance rate is 3.4%

Harvard's is 5.6%.

By definition NEU is more selective.

And just when I thought this thread had died... NEU super booster busts through the wall like the Kool Aid Man... Oh Yeah!

Sorry to burst your bubble, but you got trolled by an anti-NEU troll. That's what this has come to. The anti-NEU trolls are now trolling so much, they're knocking into and over themselves as they attempt to save the world...from I don't know what.

Exactly. We are at yet another predictable part of the show where OP and company try to gaslight. At least if OP and those like OP knew how to construct an argument, which they obviously do not know how to do, based on their multiple anti-NEU threads. They are too stupid to be embarrassed.

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Anonymous wrote:Wait, are people on this thread really claiming that Northeastern is remotely similar to Harvard and MIT in academic quality? That's just laughable.

Harvard gets the best faculty because they pay a ton, they give very generous research support, and they require comparatively little teaching. Northeastern can't compete on any of those fronts. Academically, it is one of the weaker schools within the group it's ranked with in the USNWR listing.

That doesn't mean it's a bad school, and there are plenty of good reasons a student might choose to go there. But the idea that it's competing with Harvard is just wacky.

No one is saying that - you are missing the analogy and want to nitpick. Point being, people who were admitted to allegedly better schools as some claim ("T20" - suuuuuuuure) would not be here to complain about what they see as a lesser school. On any front.

OP and company wants people to feed them facts about Northeastern because OP and company are too stupid to scrutinize their Googling, and can't decipher good information/sources from bad information/sources. Which is not our problem.

OP and company's predictable pattern has failed in all ways. They keep repeating the same "argument" expecting a different result.

DELICIOUS.

INSANE

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Anonymous wrote:The coop program has always seemed genuinely cool to me.

That said, in the areas I'm familiar with, the quality of the faculty are not remotely competitive with similarly-ranked universities. And it is extremely common knowledge that the president spent years gaming the USNWR rankings in every way possible--the entire institution was organized around that goal. It worked! But I don't think it represented any big increase in quality, and the people I know who worked there during that era all despised the way it governed everything.

I would guess the popularity means that there's a much bigger market for coop type programs than people used to think. And I definitely understand why many people would prioritize that over having access to "world class faculty" or whatever. If your kid isn't going to do academic research, then the difference between the faculty at Northeastern and at Harvard is probably immaterial.

The school has improved vastly in every way if that's what gaming is about. Who would be the best judge of the 'quality'? the industry and employers who are actually willing to pay for the products.  It looks like Northeastern's quality is highly respected.

There's a misunderstanding about coop at Northeastern. 
There are about 39 R1 private universities in the US, and Northeastern is one of them.
In case you don't what that is about,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_research_universities_in_the_United_States
It especially has high research activities in the areas of CS, engineering, STEM.
For example, https://csrankings.org/#/index?all&us  this ranking is based on research activities.
So there are plenty of research activities and students are involved in research.

Unless you are a trust fund kid, everyone is highly interested in internships these days.
Coop is basically an internship but with much more flexibility and better support from the school.

Here's what the gaming is about. https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2014/08/26/how-northeastern-gamed-the-college-rankings/

well, that piece just confirms what I thought. 1996 = commuter school. I lived in Boston and coumd not understand the NEU booster here

I guess you turn your nose up to Boston College also? Because a couple of decades before Northeastern was a commuter school, so was BC.

https://beacon.bc.edu/the-long-view/

But by 1964, when he graduated, Pat had begun to see rapid change on the horizon with the opening of three residence halls—Roncalli, Williams, and Walsh—to accommodate the growing number of students who needed to live at the Heights.

“Boston College was considered a commuter school back then,” says Pat Stokes. “And now students come from across the country and all over the world,” he continues. “We have some of the top programs, and we are recognized throughout the United States.”

Northeastern was not a commuter school in 1996. Maybe in 1956 - I actually know someone who attended during that time. NEU was always a top engineering school and still is. In fact, BU has always been a commuter school, and MIT and Harvard both started as commuter schools.

It is not as if any of those are commuter schools current day, such as Mason.

Did you even read the article? https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2014/08/26/how-northeastern-gamed-the-college-rankings/

"In 1996, Richard Freeland looked across the sea of crumbling parking lots that was Northeastern University and saw an opportunity few others could. As the school’s new president, he had inherited a third-tier, blue-collar, commuter-based university whose defining campus feature was a collection of modest utilitarian buildings south of Huntington Avenue, with a sprinkling of newly planted trees."

And now it is a vibrant, world-class university. Is it shameful that they have improved so much? Have you seen the new science building?
https://www.bizjournals.com/boston/news/2023/06/08/northeastern-university-exp-building.html

Why is it so bad that they have become such a prestigious university? Does it hurt you personally?

Only if I have to walk by and see that ugly building.

Northeastern is a fine school. But I wouldn't call it prestigious. Prestige and reputation is not built overnight by constructing new buildings, shuffling professors around to get the right class size, rejecting holistic admissions to gain the highest average SAT score, or going on whirlwind tours to promote your school to academia. No. Prestige is earned through years of consistent excellence. This formula feels shaky. I think I other PPs on this thread agree that it has improved through all of those efforts, but that the "boosters" who try to take it a step further and claim prestige on the level of MIT and Harvard are just fooling themselves. That's why it is not a top 20 and never will be.

It will never be a top 20?

It IS a top 20 by any objective measure. Its acceptance rate is lower than Harvard and the SAT scores are on par.

Acceptance rate is not a measure of prestige. Popularity? Yes. Popularity is not a metric for the USNWR rankings.

NEU's acceptance rate is 3.4%

Harvard's is 5.6%.

By definition NEU is more selective.

Admission essay requirements:
Harvard: five 200-word essays
Northeastern: zero (just check the box and submit)

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Anonymous wrote:The coop program has always seemed genuinely cool to me.

That said, in the areas I'm familiar with, the quality of the faculty are not remotely competitive with similarly-ranked universities. And it is extremely common knowledge that the president spent years gaming the USNWR rankings in every way possible--the entire institution was organized around that goal. It worked! But I don't think it represented any big increase in quality, and the people I know who worked there during that era all despised the way it governed everything.

I would guess the popularity means that there's a much bigger market for coop type programs than people used to think. And I definitely understand why many people would prioritize that over having access to "world class faculty" or whatever. If your kid isn't going to do academic research, then the difference between the faculty at Northeastern and at Harvard is probably immaterial.

The school has improved vastly in every way if that's what gaming is about. Who would be the best judge of the 'quality'? the industry and employers who are actually willing to pay for the products.  It looks like Northeastern's quality is highly respected.

There's a misunderstanding about coop at Northeastern. 
There are about 39 R1 private universities in the US, and Northeastern is one of them.
In case you don't what that is about,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_research_universities_in_the_United_States
It especially has high research activities in the areas of CS, engineering, STEM.
For example, https://csrankings.org/#/index?all&us  this ranking is based on research activities.
So there are plenty of research activities and students are involved in research.

Unless you are a trust fund kid, everyone is highly interested in internships these days.
Coop is basically an internship but with much more flexibility and better support from the school.

Here's what the gaming is about. https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2014/08/26/how-northeastern-gamed-the-college-rankings/

well, that piece just confirms what I thought. 1996 = commuter school. I lived in Boston and coumd not understand the NEU booster here

I guess you turn your nose up to Boston College also? Because a couple of decades before Northeastern was a commuter school, so was BC.

https://beacon.bc.edu/the-long-view/

But by 1964, when he graduated, Pat had begun to see rapid change on the horizon with the opening of three residence halls—Roncalli, Williams, and Walsh—to accommodate the growing number of students who needed to live at the Heights.

“Boston College was considered a commuter school back then,” says Pat Stokes. “And now students come from across the country and all over the world,” he continues. “We have some of the top programs, and we are recognized throughout the United States.”

Northeastern was not a commuter school in 1996. Maybe in 1956 - I actually know someone who attended during that time. NEU was always a top engineering school and still is. In fact, BU has always been a commuter school, and MIT and Harvard both started as commuter schools.

It is not as if any of those are commuter schools current day, such as Mason.

Did you even read the article? https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2014/08/26/how-northeastern-gamed-the-college-rankings/

"In 1996, Richard Freeland looked across the sea of crumbling parking lots that was Northeastern University and saw an opportunity few others could. As the school’s new president, he had inherited a third-tier, blue-collar, commuter-based university whose defining campus feature was a collection of modest utilitarian buildings south of Huntington Avenue, with a sprinkling of newly planted trees."

And now it is a vibrant, world-class university. Is it shameful that they have improved so much? Have you seen the new science building?
https://www.bizjournals.com/boston/news/2023/06/08/northeastern-university-exp-building.html

Why is it so bad that they have become such a prestigious university? Does it hurt you personally?

Only if I have to walk by and see that ugly building.

Northeastern is a fine school. But I wouldn't call it prestigious. Prestige and reputation is not built overnight by constructing new buildings, shuffling professors around to get the right class size, rejecting holistic admissions to gain the highest average SAT score, or going on whirlwind tours to promote your school to academia. No. Prestige is earned through years of consistent excellence. This formula feels shaky. I think I other PPs on this thread agree that it has improved through all of those efforts, but that the "boosters" who try to take it a step further and claim prestige on the level of MIT and Harvard are just fooling themselves. That's why it is not a top 20 and never will be.

It will never be a top 20?

It IS a top 20 by any objective measure. Its acceptance rate is lower than Harvard and the SAT scores are on par.

Acceptance rate is not a measure of prestige. Popularity? Yes. Popularity is not a metric for the USNWR rankings.

NEU's acceptance rate is 3.4%

Harvard's is 5.6%.

By definition NEU is more selective.

Admission essay requirements:
Harvard: five 200-word essays
Northeastern: zero (just check the box and submit)

We get it. You are mad that they did not require an essay and you STILL did not get in. Sounds like they made the right choice to me.

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Right now the Northeastern campus is fully functioning. THey have the commencement events almost all set up.

Pretty nice to see a school operating as a school.

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Anonymous wrote:Right now the Northeastern campus is fully functioning. THey have the commencement events almost all set up.

Pretty nice to see a school operating as a school.

Those protesters were thrown off campus by the state police, Boston police, and Northeastern Police, almost first day. Bostonians don't take any crap.