Thanks to the bike party organizers!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:saw a woman on a bike this evening with two kids abroad approach a four way stop intersection.

there were already two other cars at the intersection, each stopped at their respective stop signs and waiting to go through, before she had even reached the intersection.

and yet she just barreled on through the intersection at full speed, expecting everyone else to just wait on her. one car had to slam on its breaks.

feel bad for her kids. she is going to get them (and herself) killed.

bicyclists have no idea how idaho stops work, do they? or do they just not care?

If bicyclists were required to actually follow the rules of Idaho stops, no one would bike. They'd have to stop and start at the end of virtually every block and they'd get so tired out, they'd just stop riding.

Here you are again using terms you refuse to understand. Read the law around the Idaho Stop in DC and come back with some actual information, rather than prejudiced nonsense.

Here's the law. Given this, and the sheer number of cars and other people on the road, Idaho Stops should be relatively rare.

Code of the District of Columbia
§ 50–2201.04d. Riders' safe crossing at intersections.

(a) A rider approaching a stop sign may go straight through the intersection or make a turn without stopping; provided, that the rider:

(1) Is travelling at an appropriate speed to reasonably assess and avoid hazards;

(2) Determines there is no immediate hazard; and

(3) Yields the right-of-way to pedestrians and to other traffic lawfully using the intersection.

They're not that rare in residential neighborhoods outside of rush hour. I can usually get about a mile from my house before I approach an intersection with a stop sign at the same time as a pedestrian or another vehicle on my bike. (Traffic lights obviously are different.) By definition, the only people who really would know if most Idaho stops are being performed correctly are the cyclists doing the stopping; if there was someone else at the intersection, it wouldn't be legal. So the fact that we don't see people doing them right doesn't really prove that no one does.

FWIW, I always stop at stop signs on my bike if there are others at the intersection, though a lot of drivers seem to expect me not to and try to waive me to go. That may be an indication of typical cyclist behavior, or maybe they think they need to yield to bikes, or maybe they're trying to be helpful (though once I stop, I may as well wait for every car at an intersection to go, even if I have right of way).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:saw a woman on a bike this evening with two kids abroad approach a four way stop intersection.

there were already two other cars at the intersection, each stopped at their respective stop signs and waiting to go through, before she had even reached the intersection.

and yet she just barreled on through the intersection at full speed, expecting everyone else to just wait on her. one car had to slam on its breaks.

feel bad for her kids. she is going to get them (and herself) killed.

bicyclists have no idea how idaho stops work, do they? or do they just not care?

If bicyclists were required to actually follow the rules of Idaho stops, no one would bike. They'd have to stop and start at the end of virtually every block and they'd get so tired out, they'd just stop riding.

Here you are again using terms you refuse to understand. Read the law around the Idaho Stop in DC and come back with some actual information, rather than prejudiced nonsense.

The facts of the Idaho Stop law are that cyclists are permitted to treat stop signs as yield signs and pedal through intersections controlled by stop signs without stopping - IF - there are no other vehicles, cyclists or pedestrians in the intersection at the time.

That’s the facts.



The reality is no cyclist anywhere, ever, stops for a stop sign, regardless of circumstances. I know this because I’m also a cyclist on occasion. But I have such disdain for most other cyclists that I sometimes panic-stop at stop signs when someone is following me closely, just to see if I can make them crash into me. A few have. Mostly get mad, ask me why I slammed on my brakes?… I tell them “there was a car at the other side of the intersection so you can’t do an Idaho Stop”.

Mostly they’re all indignant. It hilarious.

Yes, I bet this happens all the time exactly as you describe it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:saw a woman on a bike this evening with two kids abroad approach a four way stop intersection.

there were already two other cars at the intersection, each stopped at their respective stop signs and waiting to go through, before she had even reached the intersection.

and yet she just barreled on through the intersection at full speed, expecting everyone else to just wait on her. one car had to slam on its breaks.

feel bad for her kids. she is going to get them (and herself) killed.

bicyclists have no idea how idaho stops work, do they? or do they just not care?

If bicyclists were required to actually follow the rules of Idaho stops, no one would bike. They'd have to stop and start at the end of virtually every block and they'd get so tired out, they'd just stop riding.

Or.. you know, do what I do now which is cruise toward a red light while watching the walk counter count down and then start pedaling when the one on my side is about to tick off so I can go with the leading pedestrian signal. Pisses off some of the motorists though, because that stops them from speeding to the red light just to stop.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:saw a woman on a bike this evening with two kids abroad approach a four way stop intersection.

there were already two other cars at the intersection, each stopped at their respective stop signs and waiting to go through, before she had even reached the intersection.

and yet she just barreled on through the intersection at full speed, expecting everyone else to just wait on her. one car had to slam on its breaks.

feel bad for her kids. she is going to get them (and herself) killed.

bicyclists have no idea how idaho stops work, do they? or do they just not care?

If bicyclists were required to actually follow the rules of Idaho stops, no one would bike. They'd have to stop and start at the end of virtually every block and they'd get so tired out, they'd just stop riding.

Here you are again using terms you refuse to understand. Read the law around the Idaho Stop in DC and come back with some actual information, rather than prejudiced nonsense.

The facts of the Idaho Stop law are that cyclists are permitted to treat stop signs as yield signs and pedal through intersections controlled by stop signs without stopping - IF - there are no other vehicles, cyclists or pedestrians in the intersection at the time.

That’s the facts.



The reality is no cyclist anywhere, ever, stops for a stop sign, regardless of circumstances. I know this because I’m also a cyclist on occasion. But I have such disdain for most other cyclists that I sometimes panic-stop at stop signs when someone is following me closely, just to see if I can make them crash into me. A few have. Mostly get mad, ask me why I slammed on my brakes?… I tell them “there was a car at the other side of the intersection so you can’t do an Idaho Stop”.

Mostly they’re all indignant. It hilarious.

Are you that fellow from Sedgwick Gardens who "rides 400 miles a month"? The one who, if taken at face value, it walking proof that you can't outride a bad diet?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:saw a woman on a bike this evening with two kids abroad approach a four way stop intersection.

there were already two other cars at the intersection, each stopped at their respective stop signs and waiting to go through, before she had even reached the intersection.

and yet she just barreled on through the intersection at full speed, expecting everyone else to just wait on her. one car had to slam on its breaks.

feel bad for her kids. she is going to get them (and herself) killed.

bicyclists have no idea how idaho stops work, do they? or do they just not care?

If bicyclists were required to actually follow the rules of Idaho stops, no one would bike. They'd have to stop and start at the end of virtually every block and they'd get so tired out, they'd just stop riding.

Or.. you know, do what I do now which is cruise toward a red light while watching the walk counter count down and then start pedaling when the one on my side is about to tick off so I can go with the leading pedestrian signal. Pisses off some of the motorists though, because that stops them from speeding to the red light just to stop.

Why would you want to piss anyone off, let alone boast about being an ahole. Putting aside the safety implications, it's just very sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:saw a woman on a bike this evening with two kids abroad approach a four way stop intersection.

there were already two other cars at the intersection, each stopped at their respective stop signs and waiting to go through, before she had even reached the intersection.

and yet she just barreled on through the intersection at full speed, expecting everyone else to just wait on her. one car had to slam on its breaks.

feel bad for her kids. she is going to get them (and herself) killed.

bicyclists have no idea how idaho stops work, do they? or do they just not care?

I see this kind of thing a lot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:saw a woman on a bike this evening with two kids abroad approach a four way stop intersection.

there were already two other cars at the intersection, each stopped at their respective stop signs and waiting to go through, before she had even reached the intersection.

and yet she just barreled on through the intersection at full speed, expecting everyone else to just wait on her. one car had to slam on its breaks.

feel bad for her kids. she is going to get them (and herself) killed.

bicyclists have no idea how idaho stops work, do they? or do they just not care?

If bicyclists were required to actually follow the rules of Idaho stops, no one would bike. They'd have to stop and start at the end of virtually every block and they'd get so tired out, they'd just stop riding.

Unlike people who drive cars and don't come to full stops, right?

Not really getting the comparison. Maybe once a year, I see a driver blow a stop sign without even attempting to stop. I see cyclists do that literally every day.

Once a year? I see cars do this once an hour when I look out my front window at the four-way stop by my house when working from home. Slowing down to make the turn without spinning out of control isn't actually the same thing as stopping, though...

I'll take dumb hyperbole for $100.

The police tell us that there's fewer than 10 traffic deaths in DC per year caused by speeding drivers. There's typically a half million cars in DC on any given day, so that would suggest that nearly all drivers are actually driving pretty safely.

And in other news, hundreds of thousands of DC residents took millions of steps today without being shot dead. We can infer from this that DC has no crime problem at all and can all rest easy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:saw a woman on a bike this evening with two kids abroad approach a four way stop intersection.

there were already two other cars at the intersection, each stopped at their respective stop signs and waiting to go through, before she had even reached the intersection.

and yet she just barreled on through the intersection at full speed, expecting everyone else to just wait on her. one car had to slam on its breaks.

feel bad for her kids. she is going to get them (and herself) killed.

bicyclists have no idea how idaho stops work, do they? or do they just not care?

If bicyclists were required to actually follow the rules of Idaho stops, no one would bike. They'd have to stop and start at the end of virtually every block and they'd get so tired out, they'd just stop riding.

Here you are again using terms you refuse to understand. Read the law around the Idaho Stop in DC and come back with some actual information, rather than prejudiced nonsense.

The facts of the Idaho Stop law are that cyclists are permitted to treat stop signs as yield signs and pedal through intersections controlled by stop signs without stopping - IF - there are no other vehicles, cyclists or pedestrians in the intersection at the time.

That’s the facts.



The reality is no cyclist anywhere, ever, stops for a stop sign, regardless of circumstances. I know this because I’m also a cyclist on occasion. But I have such disdain for most other cyclists that I sometimes panic-stop at stop signs when someone is following me closely, just to see if I can make them crash into me. A few have. Mostly get mad, ask me why I slammed on my brakes?… I tell them “there was a car at the other side of the intersection so you can’t do an Idaho Stop”.

Mostly they’re all indignant. It hilarious.

You don’t understand the difference between yielding and stopping, do you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:saw a woman on a bike this evening with two kids abroad approach a four way stop intersection.

there were already two other cars at the intersection, each stopped at their respective stop signs and waiting to go through, before she had even reached the intersection.

and yet she just barreled on through the intersection at full speed, expecting everyone else to just wait on her. one car had to slam on its breaks.

feel bad for her kids. she is going to get them (and herself) killed.

bicyclists have no idea how idaho stops work, do they? or do they just not care?

If bicyclists were required to actually follow the rules of Idaho stops, no one would bike. They'd have to stop and start at the end of virtually every block and they'd get so tired out, they'd just stop riding.

Here you are again using terms you refuse to understand. Read the law around the Idaho Stop in DC and come back with some actual information, rather than prejudiced nonsense.

The facts of the Idaho Stop law are that cyclists are permitted to treat stop signs as yield signs and pedal through intersections controlled by stop signs without stopping - IF - there are no other vehicles, cyclists or pedestrians in the intersection at the time.

That’s the facts.



The reality is no cyclist anywhere, ever, stops for a stop sign, regardless of circumstances. I know this because I’m also a cyclist on occasion. But I have such disdain for most other cyclists that I sometimes panic-stop at stop signs when someone is following me closely, just to see if I can make them crash into me. A few have. Mostly get mad, ask me why I slammed on my brakes?… I tell them “there was a car at the other side of the intersection so you can’t do an Idaho Stop”.

Mostly they’re all indignant. It hilarious.

Are you that fellow from Sedgwick Gardens who "rides 400 miles a month"? The one who, if taken at face value, it walking proof that you can't outride a bad diet?

Thank you for this. I almost shot wine out of my nose.

While you can't outride a bad diet, that guy is going to give himself a stroke yelling at people who disagree with him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:saw a woman on a bike this evening with two kids abroad approach a four way stop intersection.

there were already two other cars at the intersection, each stopped at their respective stop signs and waiting to go through, before she had even reached the intersection.

and yet she just barreled on through the intersection at full speed, expecting everyone else to just wait on her. one car had to slam on its breaks.

feel bad for her kids. she is going to get them (and herself) killed.

bicyclists have no idea how idaho stops work, do they? or do they just not care?

If bicyclists were required to actually follow the rules of Idaho stops, no one would bike. They'd have to stop and start at the end of virtually every block and they'd get so tired out, they'd just stop riding.

Here you are again using terms you refuse to understand. Read the law around the Idaho Stop in DC and come back with some actual information, rather than prejudiced nonsense.

The facts of the Idaho Stop law are that cyclists are permitted to treat stop signs as yield signs and pedal through intersections controlled by stop signs without stopping - IF - there are no other vehicles, cyclists or pedestrians in the intersection at the time.

That’s the facts.



The reality is no cyclist anywhere, ever, stops for a stop sign, regardless of circumstances. I know this because I’m also a cyclist on occasion. But I have such disdain for most other cyclists that I sometimes panic-stop at stop signs when someone is following me closely, just to see if I can make them crash into me. A few have. Mostly get mad, ask me why I slammed on my brakes?… I tell them “there was a car at the other side of the intersection so you can’t do an Idaho Stop”.

Mostly they’re all indignant. It hilarious.

Are you that fellow from Sedgwick Gardens who "rides 400 miles a month"? The one who, if taken at face value, it walking proof that you can't outride a bad diet?

No. I seriously doubt I’ve ridden 400 miles in a typical year. Probably half that. I mostly ride when I don’t feel like dealing with parking or there just isn’t parking where I’m going. I use Metro with my bike a lot, too.

And I like to do things that annoy the serious cyclists. I enjoy that, too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:saw a woman on a bike this evening with two kids abroad approach a four way stop intersection.

there were already two other cars at the intersection, each stopped at their respective stop signs and waiting to go through, before she had even reached the intersection.

and yet she just barreled on through the intersection at full speed, expecting everyone else to just wait on her. one car had to slam on its breaks.

feel bad for her kids. she is going to get them (and herself) killed.

bicyclists have no idea how idaho stops work, do they? or do they just not care?

If bicyclists were required to actually follow the rules of Idaho stops, no one would bike. They'd have to stop and start at the end of virtually every block and they'd get so tired out, they'd just stop riding.

Here you are again using terms you refuse to understand. Read the law around the Idaho Stop in DC and come back with some actual information, rather than prejudiced nonsense.

The facts of the Idaho Stop law are that cyclists are permitted to treat stop signs as yield signs and pedal through intersections controlled by stop signs without stopping - IF - there are no other vehicles, cyclists or pedestrians in the intersection at the time.

That’s the facts.



The reality is no cyclist anywhere, ever, stops for a stop sign, regardless of circumstances. I know this because I’m also a cyclist on occasion. But I have such disdain for most other cyclists that I sometimes panic-stop at stop signs when someone is following me closely, just to see if I can make them crash into me. A few have. Mostly get mad, ask me why I slammed on my brakes?… I tell them “there was a car at the other side of the intersection so you can’t do an Idaho Stop”.

Mostly they’re all indignant. It hilarious.

Yes, I bet this happens all the time exactly as you describe it.

It pretty much does.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:saw a woman on a bike this evening with two kids abroad approach a four way stop intersection.

there were already two other cars at the intersection, each stopped at their respective stop signs and waiting to go through, before she had even reached the intersection.

and yet she just barreled on through the intersection at full speed, expecting everyone else to just wait on her. one car had to slam on its breaks.

feel bad for her kids. she is going to get them (and herself) killed.

bicyclists have no idea how idaho stops work, do they? or do they just not care?

If bicyclists were required to actually follow the rules of Idaho stops, no one would bike. They'd have to stop and start at the end of virtually every block and they'd get so tired out, they'd just stop riding.

Or.. you know, do what I do now which is cruise toward a red light while watching the walk counter count down and then start pedaling when the one on my side is about to tick off so I can go with the leading pedestrian signal. Pisses off some of the motorists though, because that stops them from speeding to the red light just to stop.

Why would you want to piss anyone off, let alone boast about being an ahole. Putting aside the safety implications, it's just very sad.

When I drove a stick shift, I would also do the cruise to the red light thing to avoid clutch use. The cyclist above here isn't trying to piss people off, they are trying to be efficient.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:saw a woman on a bike this evening with two kids abroad approach a four way stop intersection.

there were already two other cars at the intersection, each stopped at their respective stop signs and waiting to go through, before she had even reached the intersection.

and yet she just barreled on through the intersection at full speed, expecting everyone else to just wait on her. one car had to slam on its breaks.

feel bad for her kids. she is going to get them (and herself) killed.

bicyclists have no idea how idaho stops work, do they? or do they just not care?

If bicyclists were required to actually follow the rules of Idaho stops, no one would bike. They'd have to stop and start at the end of virtually every block and they'd get so tired out, they'd just stop riding.

Here you are again using terms you refuse to understand. Read the law around the Idaho Stop in DC and come back with some actual information, rather than prejudiced nonsense.

Here's the law. Given this, and the sheer number of cars and other people on the road, Idaho Stops should be relatively rare.

Code of the District of Columbia
§ 50–2201.04d. Riders' safe crossing at intersections.

(a) A rider approaching a stop sign may go straight through the intersection or make a turn without stopping; provided, that the rider:

(1) Is travelling at an appropriate speed to reasonably assess and avoid hazards;

(2) Determines there is no immediate hazard; and

(3) Yields the right-of-way to pedestrians and to other traffic lawfully using the intersection.

They're not that rare in residential neighborhoods outside of rush hour. I can usually get about a mile from my house before I approach an intersection with a stop sign at the same time as a pedestrian or another vehicle on my bike. (Traffic lights obviously are different.) By definition, the only people who really would know if most Idaho stops are being performed correctly are the cyclists doing the stopping; if there was someone else at the intersection, it wouldn't be legal. So the fact that we don't see people doing them right doesn't really prove that no one does.

FWIW, I always stop at stop signs on my bike if there are others at the intersection, though a lot of drivers seem to expect me not to and try to waive me to go. That may be an indication of typical cyclist behavior, or maybe they think they need to yield to bikes, or maybe they're trying to be helpful (though once I stop, I may as well wait for every car at an intersection to go, even if I have right of way).

DP. You really have a distorted view of reality. No one cares what you’re doing when no one sees you. The problem is what you’re doing when everyone sees you.

The problem I have is that every time I have been a at four way stop with a cyclist the cyclist breaks the law. You and your buddies need to stop breaking the law. It’s that simple.

*predicting that your response will be some whataboutism about cars*

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:saw a woman on a bike this evening with two kids abroad approach a four way stop intersection.

there were already two other cars at the intersection, each stopped at their respective stop signs and waiting to go through, before she had even reached the intersection.

and yet she just barreled on through the intersection at full speed, expecting everyone else to just wait on her. one car had to slam on its breaks.

feel bad for her kids. she is going to get them (and herself) killed.

bicyclists have no idea how idaho stops work, do they? or do they just not care?

If bicyclists were required to actually follow the rules of Idaho stops, no one would bike. They'd have to stop and start at the end of virtually every block and they'd get so tired out, they'd just stop riding.

Here you are again using terms you refuse to understand. Read the law around the Idaho Stop in DC and come back with some actual information, rather than prejudiced nonsense.

Here's the law. Given this, and the sheer number of cars and other people on the road, Idaho Stops should be relatively rare.

Code of the District of Columbia
§ 50–2201.04d. Riders' safe crossing at intersections.

(a) A rider approaching a stop sign may go straight through the intersection or make a turn without stopping; provided, that the rider:

(1) Is travelling at an appropriate speed to reasonably assess and avoid hazards;

(2) Determines there is no immediate hazard; and

(3) Yields the right-of-way to pedestrians and to other traffic lawfully using the intersection.

They're not that rare in residential neighborhoods outside of rush hour. I can usually get about a mile from my house before I approach an intersection with a stop sign at the same time as a pedestrian or another vehicle on my bike. (Traffic lights obviously are different.) By definition, the only people who really would know if most Idaho stops are being performed correctly are the cyclists doing the stopping; if there was someone else at the intersection, it wouldn't be legal. So the fact that we don't see people doing them right doesn't really prove that no one does.

FWIW, I always stop at stop signs on my bike if there are others at the intersection, though a lot of drivers seem to expect me not to and try to waive me to go. That may be an indication of typical cyclist behavior, or maybe they think they need to yield to bikes, or maybe they're trying to be helpful (though once I stop, I may as well wait for every car at an intersection to go, even if I have right of way).

DP. You really have a distorted view of reality. No one cares what you’re doing when no one sees you. The problem is what you’re doing when everyone sees you.

The problem I have is that every time I have been a at four way stop with a cyclist the cyclist breaks the law. You and your buddies need to stop breaking the law. It’s that simple.

*predicting that your response will be some whataboutism about cars*

And every time I am at a 4 way stop sign, someone driving a car is breaking the law.

The difference is, when a cyclist does it, the ramifications are minimal to nil. When someone driving a car does it, it can be catastrophic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:saw a woman on a bike this evening with two kids abroad approach a four way stop intersection.

there were already two other cars at the intersection, each stopped at their respective stop signs and waiting to go through, before she had even reached the intersection.

and yet she just barreled on through the intersection at full speed, expecting everyone else to just wait on her. one car had to slam on its breaks.

feel bad for her kids. she is going to get them (and herself) killed.

bicyclists have no idea how idaho stops work, do they? or do they just not care?

If bicyclists were required to actually follow the rules of Idaho stops, no one would bike. They'd have to stop and start at the end of virtually every block and they'd get so tired out, they'd just stop riding.

Here you are again using terms you refuse to understand. Read the law around the Idaho Stop in DC and come back with some actual information, rather than prejudiced nonsense.

Here's the law. Given this, and the sheer number of cars and other people on the road, Idaho Stops should be relatively rare.

Code of the District of Columbia
§ 50–2201.04d. Riders' safe crossing at intersections.

(a) A rider approaching a stop sign may go straight through the intersection or make a turn without stopping; provided, that the rider:

(1) Is travelling at an appropriate speed to reasonably assess and avoid hazards;

(2) Determines there is no immediate hazard; and

(3) Yields the right-of-way to pedestrians and to other traffic lawfully using the intersection.

They're not that rare in residential neighborhoods outside of rush hour. I can usually get about a mile from my house before I approach an intersection with a stop sign at the same time as a pedestrian or another vehicle on my bike. (Traffic lights obviously are different.) By definition, the only people who really would know if most Idaho stops are being performed correctly are the cyclists doing the stopping; if there was someone else at the intersection, it wouldn't be legal. So the fact that we don't see people doing them right doesn't really prove that no one does.

FWIW, I always stop at stop signs on my bike if there are others at the intersection, though a lot of drivers seem to expect me not to and try to waive me to go. That may be an indication of typical cyclist behavior, or maybe they think they need to yield to bikes, or maybe they're trying to be helpful (though once I stop, I may as well wait for every car at an intersection to go, even if I have right of way).

DP. You really have a distorted view of reality. No one cares what you’re doing when no one sees you. The problem is what you’re doing when everyone sees you.

The problem I have is that every time I have been a at four way stop with a cyclist the cyclist breaks the law. You and your buddies need to stop breaking the law. It’s that simple.

*predicting that your response will be some whataboutism about cars*

And every time I am at a 4 way stop sign, someone driving a car is breaking the law.

The difference is, when a cyclist does it, the ramifications are minimal to nil. When someone driving a car does it, it can be catastrophic.

Not really. You're comparing a cyclist going full speed through an intersection, often when they dont have the right of way, to car that you think didn't technically completely 100 percent stop. Those aren't remotely the same thing.

Regardless, everyone should be following the law, and no one should be making up reasons why they are exempt from it.