I will help if they ask. Otherwise no. Sometimes people can/prefer to make decisions on their own. Thats not stupid. |
I feel like you've posted before about your nephew in the run of the mill state school. I think you need to let this weird obsession go. Not everyone needs "rigor", and if he is a kinesiology major (assuming that's what you meant by an athlete's major) he will likely be in high demand when he graduates.
No I did not review course catalogs for my college kids. One did run his proposed course registration by us, the other did not. They are both very successful working adults. |
That's why OP looked at the actually syllabus |
Assuming you have a motivated child, it makes more sense to compare the ceilings rather than the floors. |
Hillsdale has a level of access to conservative/republican politics that no university can claim to have for liberal/democratic politics. For a future republican, it's a top place to network with like-minded individuals. |
The question is regarding students who haven't committed yet. I agree having prospective students (try to) talk to their department chairs is a good idea - if the chair is willing to talk to a non-student, they'll likely be willing to talk to a current student. But what exactly is OP suggesting that you're saying is bad? Even if availability of certain faculty, budgeting issues, or class sizes are the reasons why a program is less rigorous than others, that doesn't change the fact that the program is less rigorous than others. "Employers are looking for trainability and skills that can't be taught easily at work, like the ability to write well" - all the more reason to make sure your child goes somewhere where they will learn to write well, even if they "only" take the minimum writing required by the school. This will require investigating the colleges requirements and the expectations of the required courses they will be taking. Frankly, it's unrealistic to expect every student to do this - and it's the students who are the least likely to do this to whom parents are and should hold the most concern for. |
Non-STEM bachelors degrees are essentially just a certificate to white collar jobs. Nothing new here. |
Yes, when choosing a school + major field.
It's a big expensive decision you make. Don't you need to look at what you are buying?? Many people spend more time and efforts choosing a pair of sneakers. |
I did. That’s why kid is attending the school he chose. The department has a lot of resources. The rigor impressed me more than the filler classes that the selective privates bragged about.
Standards have fallen but that’s everywhere. Even Ivies. Look at what’s happening now at those schools. That’s just the tip of the iceberg. |
Same. There can be a lot of variation across schools for ostensibly the same major. |
It's hard to say what's "rigorous" from the outside. For some people, looking at a syllabus and seeing only a few texts might seem less rigorous than a syllabus with a ton of readings; but so much depends on what the professor does in that class, how difficult the readings are, how class discussions are conducted, how writing is graded and taught. It's also impossible to tell from the outside how well writing is taught. Unless your child is attending a SLAC where students must take small seminars and write papers constantly no matter what the major, your child could easily get through college with writing only a handful of short papers, especially if majoring in STEM subjects - you wouldn't know this from reading a course catalog unless you sincerely believe that fulfilling one "writing intensive" course in order to graduate will guarantee a solid writer at the end of college. But, que the large state school boosters, every university is going to boast that students learn how to write if you read their curricular requirements. Your best bet is to look at job and grad school placement trends. If a school has a long track record of excellent employment and a long track record of rate of admissions into graduate programs, that is going to be much more telling than the opinion of a random parent who has not stepped foot in a college classroom for over two decades. |
Yes, quite frankly shocked that most people don’t do this level of due diligence. But then again a college degree is becoming equivalent to what a high school education was in the past. Sad. No wonder the protesters need spokesman to articulate the cause. No one has strong oral or written communication skills beyond the quick sound bite. |
That or they teach higher level reasoning and thought. There is a world beyond STEM and we need people who do not think like programmers and engineers for many other types of roles. You may see it as “less than” but that is a deficiency in your world view. Perhaps you should have taken some classes outside of STEM to round out your thought processes. |
How can you look at the syllabus without actually being enrolled in the class? If the point is to see how rigorous the school is or what their curriculum is like before you accept, then your only options are course catalog. |
Of course. I would offer my assistance. if they decline the offer, then that's fine. They usually can use extra assistance. Common sense. |