Is crime affect DC's real estate market?

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Anonymous wrote:I dont know if it's crime or just the reality that the youth bulge has declined, and people are starting families. interest rates are the same everywhere.

NOVA is one of the hottest seller markets in the country right now at 20 day DOM. DC is 47 days.

If you want to stay updated with the local market dynamics, I find these reports best. I've been reading them going back fifteen years.

The DOM for DC comapred to NoVA suggests it could be crime affecting hte DC market, right?

No, only terminally online helicopter parents think crime is anything to worry about. The real reason is because DC has way more condos for sale which take far longer to sell than detached houses.

Only terminally online helicopter parents are worried about living in a city that has by far the highest crime rate out of any capital city in the Western World? That’s an incredibly nihilistic outlook.

+1 the PP was clearly posting from some rich area of DC where they think all DC parents don't have to worry about crime just because they, personally, aren't impacted by crime in their safe haven bubble.

+2 It's either that or their oldest kid is under age 6 so they don't understand that the crime means you can't send your 7+ old kids to roam around with friends. Sure you can push your stroller around the less safe areas, but it's a world of difference when your kids can't run around the neighborhood with friends like second graders in safe neighborhoods can.

We left DC in part due to rising crime. Our once-safe neighborhood was no longer safe and our kids could no longer roam around with friends.

The point is that not all areas of DC have the same exposure to crime. If you live in the Palisades, your experience living in DC is very different than a family who lives in H Street or Hill East. We live in an extremely low crime part of DC and are having a great experience. We are also not out on the street at 2am, but instead sleeping at home with our kids. Time, place, and density of people are greatly determinative as to whether you will be a victim of a violent crime.

The most crime-prone part of DC is actually Columbia Heights; its been that way since I moved to DC in 2000s and that hasn't changed at all. It still blows my mind that high-income families buy and live in Columbia Heights, then complain about crime and safety. CoHi has always been a shooting gallery. Parts of Wards 7 and 8 have a lot less crime than Columbia Heights.

https://crimecards.dc.gov/

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Anonymous wrote:I dont know if it's crime or just the reality that the youth bulge has declined, and people are starting families. interest rates are the same everywhere.

NOVA is one of the hottest seller markets in the country right now at 20 day DOM. DC is 47 days.

If you want to stay updated with the local market dynamics, I find these reports best. I've been reading them going back fifteen years.

The DOM for DC comapred to NoVA suggests it could be crime affecting hte DC market, right?

No, only terminally online helicopter parents think crime is anything to worry about. The real reason is because DC has way more condos for sale which take far longer to sell than detached houses.

Condos are a disaster. Yes. But the detached home market is also far looser than the suburbs.

Condos are not a disaster and not selling at a loss (I suppose it might if it’s an immediate flip). I know because I’m on the market and looking at listing history.

They are a disaster, they don't hold their value adjusting for inflation and the HOAs are incredibly high as a % of the property value (1-3+%). You are better off renting than buying a condo. You never truly own it.

You are describing the costs of maintenance and taxes, which all home owners pay, without comparing with single home ownership. I regularly hear people plan to spend this much on homeownership on average.

The condo fees are in addition to taxes! So you are paying an extra $2000 a month just for maintenance, which is $24,000 a year on top of property taxes which could be another $15000 a year. So that's approaching $40,000 and this still does not include insurance etc.

Nobody is talking about condos with HOA fees of 2000 a month PLUS taxes of 15k a year on top of insurance. That would apply to only the most luxurious condos which would be in an area with proportionally exorbitant home maintenance costs and taxes. I have never seen a condo with 15k taxes and $2000 a month in HOA (that did not include taxes or insurance and was not a coop). Forty thousand annually is not a cost relevant to most condo ownership, and if it were, the surrounding homes would have an even higher cost attached.

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Anonymous wrote:I dont know if it's crime or just the reality that the youth bulge has declined, and people are starting families. interest rates are the same everywhere.

NOVA is one of the hottest seller markets in the country right now at 20 day DOM. DC is 47 days.

If you want to stay updated with the local market dynamics, I find these reports best. I've been reading them going back fifteen years.

The DOM for DC comapred to NoVA suggests it could be crime affecting hte DC market, right?

No, only terminally online helicopter parents think crime is anything to worry about. The real reason is because DC has way more condos for sale which take far longer to sell than detached houses.

Only terminally online helicopter parents are worried about living in a city that has by far the highest crime rate out of any capital city in the Western World? That’s an incredibly nihilistic outlook.

+1 the PP was clearly posting from some rich area of DC where they think all DC parents don't have to worry about crime just because they, personally, aren't impacted by crime in their safe haven bubble.

+2 It's either that or their oldest kid is under age 6 so they don't understand that the crime means you can't send your 7+ old kids to roam around with friends. Sure you can push your stroller around the less safe areas, but it's a world of difference when your kids can't run around the neighborhood with friends like second graders in safe neighborhoods can.

We left DC in part due to rising crime. Our once-safe neighborhood was no longer safe and our kids could no longer roam around with friends.

This is literally the helicopter parenting I was referring to. Yes, you can send your kids to roam around with friends, you're just irrationally scared to because you don't understand how statistics and probability work. How many middle class kids in DC have been killed by stray bullets in the past 20 years? Probably 0, maybe 1 or 2 at the absolute most. Certainly far far fewer than have been hit by cars roaming the "safe" suburbs. And how in the word is a 7 year old somehow more likely to get hit than a stroller or an adult when it's all (very, very, very low) random chance? It's a nonissue but it FEELS scary to you so you assume it must be, and you're letting it affect your life.

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Anonymous wrote:I dont know if it's crime or just the reality that the youth bulge has declined, and people are starting families. interest rates are the same everywhere.

NOVA is one of the hottest seller markets in the country right now at 20 day DOM. DC is 47 days.

If you want to stay updated with the local market dynamics, I find these reports best. I've been reading them going back fifteen years.

The DOM for DC comapred to NoVA suggests it could be crime affecting hte DC market, right?

No, only terminally online helicopter parents think crime is anything to worry about. The real reason is because DC has way more condos for sale which take far longer to sell than detached houses.

Only terminally online helicopter parents are worried about living in a city that has by far the highest crime rate out of any capital city in the Western World? That’s an incredibly nihilistic outlook.

+1 the PP was clearly posting from some rich area of DC where they think all DC parents don't have to worry about crime just because they, personally, aren't impacted by crime in their safe haven bubble.

+2 It's either that or their oldest kid is under age 6 so they don't understand that the crime means you can't send your 7+ old kids to roam around with friends. Sure you can push your stroller around the less safe areas, but it's a world of difference when your kids can't run around the neighborhood with friends like second graders in safe neighborhoods can.

We left DC in part due to rising crime. Our once-safe neighborhood was no longer safe and our kids could no longer roam around with friends.

This is literally the helicopter parenting I was referring to. Yes, you can send your kids to roam around with friends, you're just irrationally scared to because you don't understand how statistics and probability work. How many middle class kids in DC have been killed by stray bullets in the past 20 years? Probably 0, maybe 1 or 2 at the absolute most. Certainly far far fewer than have been hit by cars roaming the "safe" suburbs. And how in the word is a 7 year old somehow more likely to get hit than a stroller or an adult when it's all (very, very, very low) random chance? It's a nonissue but it FEELS scary to you so you assume it must be, and you're letting it affect your life.

I really doubt you understand the first thing about statistics.

Also, the statistics do not support your statement regarding kids being hit by cars in the suburbs. DC and Fairfax County have comparable pedestrian death statistics.

Also, overall traffic fatality rates are similar between Fairfax and DC, using those two jurisdictions as examples.

https://dcist.com/story/23/01/02/more-than-300-people-were-killed-on-local-roads-in-2022/

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Anonymous wrote:I dont know if it's crime or just the reality that the youth bulge has declined, and people are starting families. interest rates are the same everywhere.

NOVA is one of the hottest seller markets in the country right now at 20 day DOM. DC is 47 days.

If you want to stay updated with the local market dynamics, I find these reports best. I've been reading them going back fifteen years.

The DOM for DC comapred to NoVA suggests it could be crime affecting hte DC market, right?

No, only terminally online helicopter parents think crime is anything to worry about. The real reason is because DC has way more condos for sale which take far longer to sell than detached houses.

Condos are a disaster. Yes. But the detached home market is also far looser than the suburbs.

Condos are not a disaster and not selling at a loss (I suppose it might if it’s an immediate flip). I know because I’m on the market and looking at listing history.

They are a disaster, they don't hold their value adjusting for inflation and the HOAs are incredibly high as a % of the property value (1-3+%). You are better off renting than buying a condo. You never truly own it.

You are describing the costs of maintenance and taxes, which all home owners pay, without comparing with single home ownership. I regularly hear people plan to spend this much on homeownership on average.

The condo fees are in addition to taxes! So you are paying an extra $2000 a month just for maintenance, which is $24,000 a year on top of property taxes which could be another $15000 a year. So that's approaching $40,000 and this still does not include insurance etc.

Where are property taxes $15k in DC unless the condo is $5M.

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Anonymous wrote:I dont know if it's crime or just the reality that the youth bulge has declined, and people are starting families. interest rates are the same everywhere.

NOVA is one of the hottest seller markets in the country right now at 20 day DOM. DC is 47 days.

If you want to stay updated with the local market dynamics, I find these reports best. I've been reading them going back fifteen years.

The DOM for DC comapred to NoVA suggests it could be crime affecting hte DC market, right?

No, only terminally online helicopter parents think crime is anything to worry about. The real reason is because DC has way more condos for sale which take far longer to sell than detached houses.

Only terminally online helicopter parents are worried about living in a city that has by far the highest crime rate out of any capital city in the Western World? That’s an incredibly nihilistic outlook.

+1 the PP was clearly posting from some rich area of DC where they think all DC parents don't have to worry about crime just because they, personally, aren't impacted by crime in their safe haven bubble.

+2 It's either that or their oldest kid is under age 6 so they don't understand that the crime means you can't send your 7+ old kids to roam around with friends. Sure you can push your stroller around the less safe areas, but it's a world of difference when your kids can't run around the neighborhood with friends like second graders in safe neighborhoods can.

We left DC in part due to rising crime. Our once-safe neighborhood was no longer safe and our kids could no longer roam around with friends.

The point is that not all areas of DC have the same exposure to crime. If you live in the Palisades, your experience living in DC is very different than a family who lives in H Street or Hill East. We live in an extremely low crime part of DC and are having a great experience. We are also not out on the street at 2am, but instead sleeping at home with our kids. Time, place, and density of people are greatly determinative as to whether you will be a victim of a violent crime.

The most crime-prone part of DC is actually Columbia Heights; its been that way since I moved to DC in 2000s and that hasn't changed at all. It still blows my mind that high-income families buy and live in Columbia Heights, then complain about crime and safety. CoHi has always been a shooting gallery. Parts of Wards 7 and 8 have a lot less crime than Columbia Heights.

https://crimecards.dc.gov/

Columbia Heights has the most total crime because it's the most densely populated neighborhood in DC. If you separated DC neighborhoods into crime per capita (i.e., where you're most likely to be the victim of crime or witness it), I'm going to wager it is going to be behind less-populated areas like Trinidad/Ivy City, River Terrace/Benning and some of the neighborhoods that abut Anacostia.

More people = more crime.

https://www.axios.com/local/washington-dc/2023/10/03/dc-crime-by-neighborhood-2023

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Anonymous wrote:I dont know if it's crime or just the reality that the youth bulge has declined, and people are starting families. interest rates are the same everywhere.

NOVA is one of the hottest seller markets in the country right now at 20 day DOM. DC is 47 days.

If you want to stay updated with the local market dynamics, I find these reports best. I've been reading them going back fifteen years.

The DOM for DC comapred to NoVA suggests it could be crime affecting hte DC market, right?

No, only terminally online helicopter parents think crime is anything to worry about. The real reason is because DC has way more condos for sale which take far longer to sell than detached houses.

Only terminally online helicopter parents are worried about living in a city that has by far the highest crime rate out of any capital city in the Western World? That’s an incredibly nihilistic outlook.

+1 the PP was clearly posting from some rich area of DC where they think all DC parents don't have to worry about crime just because they, personally, aren't impacted by crime in their safe haven bubble.

+2 It's either that or their oldest kid is under age 6 so they don't understand that the crime means you can't send your 7+ old kids to roam around with friends. Sure you can push your stroller around the less safe areas, but it's a world of difference when your kids can't run around the neighborhood with friends like second graders in safe neighborhoods can.

We left DC in part due to rising crime. Our once-safe neighborhood was no longer safe and our kids could no longer roam around with friends.

This is literally the helicopter parenting I was referring to. Yes, you can send your kids to roam around with friends, you're just irrationally scared to because you don't understand how statistics and probability work. How many middle class kids in DC have been killed by stray bullets in the past 20 years? Probably 0, maybe 1 or 2 at the absolute most. Certainly far far fewer than have been hit by cars roaming the "safe" suburbs. And how in the word is a 7 year old somehow more likely to get hit than a stroller or an adult when it's all (very, very, very low) random chance? It's a nonissue but it FEELS scary to you so you assume it must be, and you're letting it affect your life.

This is the kind of delusion I’m talking about. Parents are also worried about their kids getting assaulted, raped, and robbed. All of these things are much more likely in DC than in the SAFER suburbs. Everyone doesn’t want to risk their kid’s safety and subject them to lifelong trauma from being the victim of a violent crime or a sexual attack to score social justice brownie points or out of some bizarre fealty toward living in an extremely violent city, even by US standards, and disregarding the negatives that come with it.

Neighborhoods like Capital Hill and Adam’s Morgan are extremely dangerous places to live compared to expensive neighborhoods in other major US cities like New York and Boston.

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^^ LOL pp cannot even spell the name of either hyper “dangerous” DC neighborhood she’s ranting about. Surely she’s very in the know and we must all take her advice.

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Anonymous wrote:I dont know if it's crime or just the reality that the youth bulge has declined, and people are starting families. interest rates are the same everywhere.

NOVA is one of the hottest seller markets in the country right now at 20 day DOM. DC is 47 days.

If you want to stay updated with the local market dynamics, I find these reports best. I've been reading them going back fifteen years.

The DOM for DC comapred to NoVA suggests it could be crime affecting hte DC market, right?

No, only terminally online helicopter parents think crime is anything to worry about. The real reason is because DC has way more condos for sale which take far longer to sell than detached houses.

Only terminally online helicopter parents are worried about living in a city that has by far the highest crime rate out of any capital city in the Western World? That’s an incredibly nihilistic outlook.

+1 the PP was clearly posting from some rich area of DC where they think all DC parents don't have to worry about crime just because they, personally, aren't impacted by crime in their safe haven bubble.

+2 It's either that or their oldest kid is under age 6 so they don't understand that the crime means you can't send your 7+ old kids to roam around with friends. Sure you can push your stroller around the less safe areas, but it's a world of difference when your kids can't run around the neighborhood with friends like second graders in safe neighborhoods can.

We left DC in part due to rising crime. Our once-safe neighborhood was no longer safe and our kids could no longer roam around with friends.

The point is that not all areas of DC have the same exposure to crime. If you live in the Palisades, your experience living in DC is very different than a family who lives in H Street or Hill East. We live in an extremely low crime part of DC and are having a great experience. We are also not out on the street at 2am, but instead sleeping at home with our kids. Time, place, and density of people are greatly determinative as to whether you will be a victim of a violent crime.

The most crime-prone part of DC is actually Columbia Heights; its been that way since I moved to DC in 2000s and that hasn't changed at all. It still blows my mind that high-income families buy and live in Columbia Heights, then complain about crime and safety. CoHi has always been a shooting gallery. Parts of Wards 7 and 8 have a lot less crime than Columbia Heights.

https://crimecards.dc.gov/

Well, the Mayor with the strong cheerleading of CM Frumin are importing crime to the once safe neighborhoods of NW DC through the voucher program.

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Anonymous wrote:I dont know if it's crime or just the reality that the youth bulge has declined, and people are starting families. interest rates are the same everywhere.

NOVA is one of the hottest seller markets in the country right now at 20 day DOM. DC is 47 days.

If you want to stay updated with the local market dynamics, I find these reports best. I've been reading them going back fifteen years.

The DOM for DC comapred to NoVA suggests it could be crime affecting hte DC market, right?

No, only terminally online helicopter parents think crime is anything to worry about. The real reason is because DC has way more condos for sale which take far longer to sell than detached houses.

Only terminally online helicopter parents are worried about living in a city that has by far the highest crime rate out of any capital city in the Western World? That’s an incredibly nihilistic outlook.

+1 the PP was clearly posting from some rich area of DC where they think all DC parents don't have to worry about crime just because they, personally, aren't impacted by crime in their safe haven bubble.

+2 It's either that or their oldest kid is under age 6 so they don't understand that the crime means you can't send your 7+ old kids to roam around with friends. Sure you can push your stroller around the less safe areas, but it's a world of difference when your kids can't run around the neighborhood with friends like second graders in safe neighborhoods can.

We left DC in part due to rising crime. Our once-safe neighborhood was no longer safe and our kids could no longer roam around with friends.

This is literally the helicopter parenting I was referring to. Yes, you can send your kids to roam around with friends, you're just irrationally scared to because you don't understand how statistics and probability work. How many middle class kids in DC have been killed by stray bullets in the past 20 years? Probably 0, maybe 1 or 2 at the absolute most. Certainly far far fewer than have been hit by cars roaming the "safe" suburbs. And how in the word is a 7 year old somehow more likely to get hit than a stroller or an adult when it's all (very, very, very low) random chance? It's a nonissue but it FEELS scary to you so you assume it must be, and you're letting it affect your life.

This is the kind of delusion I’m talking about. Parents are also worried about their kids getting assaulted, raped, and robbed. All of these things are much more likely in DC than in the SAFER suburbs. Everyone doesn’t want to risk their kid’s safety and subject them to lifelong trauma from being the victim of a violent crime or a sexual attack to score social justice brownie points or out of some bizarre fealty toward living in an extremely violent city, even by US standards, and disregarding the negatives that come with it.

Neighborhoods like Capital Hill and Adam’s Morgan are extremely dangerous places to live compared to expensive neighborhoods in other major US cities like New York and Boston.

THIS!!! Some people act like being the victim of a drive by shooting is the only bad thing that could ever happen in a crime-filled neighborhood. It's a weird flex to scream look at me I'm so anti-racist that I'll raise my kids in the midst of violence even though I have a HHI of $300K+ - that's such a DC thing and I'm over it.

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Anonymous wrote:^^ LOL pp cannot even spell the name of either hyper “dangerous” DC neighborhood she’s ranting about. Surely she’s very in the know and we must all take her advice.

A misspelling doesn’t change the fact that DC had 274 murders last year with a population of roughly 679,000.

New York City had 386 murders in 2023 with a population to 8.26 million.

Boston had 37 murders in 2023 with a population of over 620,000 (!!!).

London had 110 murders in 2023 with a population over 9 million.

You get the point. But please continue to rationalize putting your children in harm’s way in one of the most dangerous cities in the Western World and calling everyone else alarmists. It’s one thing to not have any options because of your financial disadvantages. But a lot of people on here can afford to live in safer places for their children but refuse to do so because it’s some sort of contrarian flex.

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Anonymous wrote:I dont know if it's crime or just the reality that the youth bulge has declined, and people are starting families. interest rates are the same everywhere.

NOVA is one of the hottest seller markets in the country right now at 20 day DOM. DC is 47 days.

If you want to stay updated with the local market dynamics, I find these reports best. I've been reading them going back fifteen years.

The DOM for DC comapred to NoVA suggests it could be crime affecting hte DC market, right?

No, only terminally online helicopter parents think crime is anything to worry about. The real reason is because DC has way more condos for sale which take far longer to sell than detached houses.

Only terminally online helicopter parents are worried about living in a city that has by far the highest crime rate out of any capital city in the Western World? That’s an incredibly nihilistic outlook.

+1 the PP was clearly posting from some rich area of DC where they think all DC parents don't have to worry about crime just because they, personally, aren't impacted by crime in their safe haven bubble.

+2 It's either that or their oldest kid is under age 6 so they don't understand that the crime means you can't send your 7+ old kids to roam around with friends. Sure you can push your stroller around the less safe areas, but it's a world of difference when your kids can't run around the neighborhood with friends like second graders in safe neighborhoods can.

We left DC in part due to rising crime. Our once-safe neighborhood was no longer safe and our kids could no longer roam around with friends.

This is literally the helicopter parenting I was referring to. Yes, you can send your kids to roam around with friends, you're just irrationally scared to because you don't understand how statistics and probability work. How many middle class kids in DC have been killed by stray bullets in the past 20 years? Probably 0, maybe 1 or 2 at the absolute most. Certainly far far fewer than have been hit by cars roaming the "safe" suburbs. And how in the word is a 7 year old somehow more likely to get hit than a stroller or an adult when it's all (very, very, very low) random chance? It's a nonissue but it FEELS scary to you so you assume it must be, and you're letting it affect your life.

This is the kind of delusion I’m talking about. Parents are also worried about their kids getting assaulted, raped, and robbed. All of these things are much more likely in DC than in the SAFER suburbs. Everyone doesn’t want to risk their kid’s safety and subject them to lifelong trauma from being the victim of a violent crime or a sexual attack to score social justice brownie points or out of some bizarre fealty toward living in an extremely violent city, even by US standards, and disregarding the negatives that come with it.

Neighborhoods like Capital Hill and Adam’s Morgan are extremely dangerous places to live compared to expensive neighborhoods in other major US cities like New York and Boston.

THIS!!! Some people act like being the victim of a drive by shooting is the only bad thing that could ever happen in a crime-filled neighborhood. It's a weird flex to scream look at me I'm so anti-racist that I'll raise my kids in the midst of violence even though I have a HHI of $300K+ - that's such a DC thing and I'm over it.

“Capital Hill”…”Adam’s Morgan”…JFC.

Maybe people actually have weighed the pros and cons and came to a different conclusion than you??? You really think thousands of families are so committed to being fake woke that they pay a massive premium to live in a place they don’t think is good to raise a family?!

I don’t get why some of you are so hopped up on ranting about neighborhoods you don’t live in, assigning weird motives to people you don’t know. I don’t pretend to know anything about your suburb, nor should I. You all are trapped in a weird mix of jealousy and resentment.

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Anonymous wrote:I dont know if it's crime or just the reality that the youth bulge has declined, and people are starting families. interest rates are the same everywhere.

NOVA is one of the hottest seller markets in the country right now at 20 day DOM. DC is 47 days.

If you want to stay updated with the local market dynamics, I find these reports best. I've been reading them going back fifteen years.

The DOM for DC comapred to NoVA suggests it could be crime affecting hte DC market, right?

No, only terminally online helicopter parents think crime is anything to worry about. The real reason is because DC has way more condos for sale which take far longer to sell than detached houses.

Only terminally online helicopter parents are worried about living in a city that has by far the highest crime rate out of any capital city in the Western World? That’s an incredibly nihilistic outlook.

+1 the PP was clearly posting from some rich area of DC where they think all DC parents don't have to worry about crime just because they, personally, aren't impacted by crime in their safe haven bubble.

+2 It's either that or their oldest kid is under age 6 so they don't understand that the crime means you can't send your 7+ old kids to roam around with friends. Sure you can push your stroller around the less safe areas, but it's a world of difference when your kids can't run around the neighborhood with friends like second graders in safe neighborhoods can.

We left DC in part due to rising crime. Our once-safe neighborhood was no longer safe and our kids could no longer roam around with friends.

This is literally the helicopter parenting I was referring to. Yes, you can send your kids to roam around with friends, you're just irrationally scared to because you don't understand how statistics and probability work. How many middle class kids in DC have been killed by stray bullets in the past 20 years? Probably 0, maybe 1 or 2 at the absolute most. Certainly far far fewer than have been hit by cars roaming the "safe" suburbs. And how in the word is a 7 year old somehow more likely to get hit than a stroller or an adult when it's all (very, very, very low) random chance? It's a nonissue but it FEELS scary to you so you assume it must be, and you're letting it affect your life.

This is the kind of delusion I’m talking about. Parents are also worried about their kids getting assaulted, raped, and robbed. All of these things are much more likely in DC than in the SAFER suburbs. Everyone doesn’t want to risk their kid’s safety and subject them to lifelong trauma from being the victim of a violent crime or a sexual attack to score social justice brownie points or out of some bizarre fealty toward living in an extremely violent city, even by US standards, and disregarding the negatives that come with it.

Neighborhoods like Capital Hill and Adam’s Morgan are extremely dangerous places to live compared to expensive neighborhoods in other major US cities like New York and Boston.

THIS!!! Some people act like being the victim of a drive by shooting is the only bad thing that could ever happen in a crime-filled neighborhood. It's a weird flex to scream look at me I'm so anti-racist that I'll raise my kids in the midst of violence even though I have a HHI of $300K+ - that's such a DC thing and I'm over it.

“Capital Hill”…”Adam’s Morgan”…JFC.

Maybe people actually have weighed the pros and cons and came to a different conclusion than you??? You really think thousands of families are so committed to being fake woke that they pay a massive premium to live in a place they don’t think is good to raise a family?!

I don’t get why some of you are so hopped up on ranting about neighborhoods you don’t live in, assigning weird motives to people you don’t know. I don’t pretend to know anything about your suburb, nor should I. You all are trapped in a weird mix of jealousy and resentment.

Wrong. I used to live in DC when it was safer. There are multiple posters disagreeing with you btw.

We left during the pandemic when crime soared and schools closed for way too long thanks to the worst City Council we had in a long time.

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Anonymous wrote:I dont know if it's crime or just the reality that the youth bulge has declined, and people are starting families. interest rates are the same everywhere.

NOVA is one of the hottest seller markets in the country right now at 20 day DOM. DC is 47 days.

If you want to stay updated with the local market dynamics, I find these reports best. I've been reading them going back fifteen years.

The DOM for DC comapred to NoVA suggests it could be crime affecting hte DC market, right?

No, only terminally online helicopter parents think crime is anything to worry about. The real reason is because DC has way more condos for sale which take far longer to sell than detached houses.

Only terminally online helicopter parents are worried about living in a city that has by far the highest crime rate out of any capital city in the Western World? That’s an incredibly nihilistic outlook.

+1 the PP was clearly posting from some rich area of DC where they think all DC parents don't have to worry about crime just because they, personally, aren't impacted by crime in their safe haven bubble.

+2 It's either that or their oldest kid is under age 6 so they don't understand that the crime means you can't send your 7+ old kids to roam around with friends. Sure you can push your stroller around the less safe areas, but it's a world of difference when your kids can't run around the neighborhood with friends like second graders in safe neighborhoods can.

We left DC in part due to rising crime. Our once-safe neighborhood was no longer safe and our kids could no longer roam around with friends.

This is literally the helicopter parenting I was referring to. Yes, you can send your kids to roam around with friends, you're just irrationally scared to because you don't understand how statistics and probability work. How many middle class kids in DC have been killed by stray bullets in the past 20 years? Probably 0, maybe 1 or 2 at the absolute most. Certainly far far fewer than have been hit by cars roaming the "safe" suburbs. And how in the word is a 7 year old somehow more likely to get hit than a stroller or an adult when it's all (very, very, very low) random chance? It's a nonissue but it FEELS scary to you so you assume it must be, and you're letting it affect your life.

JFC the racism in this post? And FWIW, many kids, yes kids and I mean under 10, have been shot by stray bullets in DC. Here's a recent example not far from where I live.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/our-kids-arent-safe-mother-speaks-after-her-child-survived-dc-shooting-that-killed-1-wounded-5/3589925/

Or does it only matter to you if they die, not if they live?

Are you one of those people who hypocritically blast on and on about "gun crime" and "gun control" and "gun trauma" on behalf of white kids in some suburban school who experience gun trauma from having to hide under their desks in a school shooting, but think routinely hearing gunshots from drivebys, having neighbors who have literally had to duck and cover and/or had bullets penetrate their homes, is "no big deal," not a form of gun trama?

Post what part of DC you live and how long you've lived there.

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I'm not a real estate professional.

But I have been wondering about this as friends of mine -- two different couples with preschool aged kids -- have sold their homes and left DC in the past year (one couple sold a row house in Kingman Park and went to Richmond, and another sold a condo in Capitol Hill and moved to Alexandria). Both cited safety concerns (I think something happened to the DW in the Kingman Park couple that made her feel unsafe and want to up and leave, but I'm not sure because they aren't talking about it).