Anonymous wrote:Here are some more interesting facts from that Pew survey.
The 81% number was from a question where respondents could choose multiple answers.
When respondents were asked to give the MOST important reason they attend religious services, 61% that was to get closer to God. Everything else was much lower, like the 8% who said it was to be a better person.
A tiny <1% said they attended "to meet new people/socialize." Hardly the "immense majority" claimed by some DCUM atheists.
I get that logic and facts must be tough for you, but that wasn’t what anyone claimed.
Here, verbatim, is what the "research scientist" claimed and which 2 of you plus-oned:
"I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not." When asked to back this up with cites, nobody did (or could).
So this thread gives cites from Pew, no less, showing that only a small percentage (under 4% total) attend religious services for the cultural or social aspects.
Explain to us how Pew findings aren't responsive. TIA!
You do realize that many, many people who are “culturally affiliated”, as PP states, do not attend services. I can’t believe you need that explained to you.
Here's an idea: if you make an assertion, provide some stats to back it up. Don't petulantly demand that others prove your points for you.
Stats on attendance at houses of worship do exist, if you could be arsed to look for them.
But if you take a closer look, you'll still be disappointed. According to that very same Pew link, of those who do not attend services, only 28% say that's because they don't believe. 37% say they practice their faith in other ways, and another 37% say they haven't found a house of worship they like. 22% say it's because of logistical reasons like time or being in poor health.
Lesson learned: read the link before making claims you can't be bothered to prove.
Practicing your faith in other ways could be as simple as exchanging Christmas presents or taking your kid to get a picture with a malll Santa. It's not mutually exclusive with PP's read that these people could consider themselves Cultural Christians.
You're very upset but the stats you have provided are not painting the picture you think they are. Only 61% of people who actually attend church say it's to be closer to God, and then of the people who don't attend church who were asked why, 37% chose the multiple choice answer closest to "none of your business." I'm not sure why you're reading this as "everyone really deeply believes the same things I do!"
I'm going to be your best friend tonight. It seems you have no idea how poorly you come off with the misrepresentations, misunderstandings, and calling others names.
Please take a breather. Come back when you've given your ideas a good, serious, think-through. Gather some facts and sources of your own. Your ideas aren't bad, but your execution undermines what you're trying to say.
Who called anyone names?
A bunch of atheist haters on the other thread called posters “trolls” anytime they couldn’t answer a question.
You're referring to posters not wanting to answer your completely irrelevant questions about their news sources. I finally answered with my sources, The Guardian and NY Times, and then you wanted to know which reporters. Miss me with that trolling.
There’s the name calling.
You aren’t reading about Dawkins on the guardian or NYT. Total BS.
Wut? The Guardian loves Dawkins.
Last article was 3 years ago…
Good Lord. This thread is about whether DCUM’s atheists are correct to assert that most people attend religious services “for the community.” And the very first OP links to a Pew survey that shows that’s massively false.
If you want to discuss coverage of Dawkins, that’s the other thread. And the only relevant coverage for that thread is the article OP linked to, about Dawkins’ relationship to cultural Christianity.
Your obsessive interest in where people read about Dawkins is both boring and irrelevant to both these threads.
Focus, people. This thread is about DCUM’s atheists constantly asserting that people only go to church for the socializing. Pew says no, was it 80% say they go to be closer to God.
Care to comment on the thread topic?
I’m just curious why religious people obsess over him and I haven’t received a legit answer yet. Just some BS.
I’m also curious why you have misrepresented the comment from the other thread. Here was the quote:
“ I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.”
Nothing about why people go to church.
Interesting how people “of faith” can’t have a good faith discussion. Just lots of misrepresentation and projection.
As OP said, this false fact—about Christians just going to church for the donuts and company—appears on DCUM all the time, not just in that other thread. But you’re picking just one of the gazillion atheist posts with that false fact, and then you’re choosing to focus on the narrow phrase “culturally affiliated” in that one particular thread. It’s almost like you want to miss the big picture.
FYI, someone handled the cultural affiliation thing a page or so ago, but apparently you didn’t read it.
People are talking about Dawkins because some OP started a thread about him and gave a link. Also, we’ve all heard about him, wherever we get our news. Why do we need an inquest on this, because why is this so hard to understand?
Also. You can’t write a single post without abuse, can you? You make atheists look bad.
OP misrepresented what was said on the other thread. It wasn’t about going to services at all.
The person who claims they hear about him a lot on the guardian and NYT was lying.
Are you the spokesperson for every single person who believes in god(s)? No. And I’m not the spokesperson for every single person who doesn’t.
It’s time you stop misrepresenting entire threads. Here’s what OP said. “So, the people going to churches, synagogues and mosques are not just there "for the community," as DCUM's atheists tell us on the daily, most recently today.”
So OP wasn’t just talking about that one thread, she was addressing some fake facts she sees a lot from DCUM’s atheists.
And wtf about being a spokesperson for anything. Nobody claimed that.
I hope you get a good night’s sleep and come back to this discussion tomorrow with a clearer view of what’s actually being said.
No, OP started this thread specifically to address comments in that thread. Comments that were misrepresented:
A: I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.
B: Agree
C: You're wrong, quite the opposite in fact. Pew says 94% of those who attend religious services do so because they want to become closer to God.
Thread title: s/o Do People Attend Religious Services for the Religious Aspects, or for Community?”
Could that be any clearer?
OP created the thread in response to that thread and misrepresented what was said.
I’m OP and I created a thread to respond to my thread title. This is actually very simple.
You either misunderstand or intentionally misrepresented what was said.
Anonymous wrote:Here are some more interesting facts from that Pew survey.
The 81% number was from a question where respondents could choose multiple answers.
When respondents were asked to give the MOST important reason they attend religious services, 61% that was to get closer to God. Everything else was much lower, like the 8% who said it was to be a better person.
A tiny <1% said they attended "to meet new people/socialize." Hardly the "immense majority" claimed by some DCUM atheists.
I get that logic and facts must be tough for you, but that wasn’t what anyone claimed.
Here, verbatim, is what the "research scientist" claimed and which 2 of you plus-oned:
"I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not." When asked to back this up with cites, nobody did (or could).
So this thread gives cites from Pew, no less, showing that only a small percentage (under 4% total) attend religious services for the cultural or social aspects.
Explain to us how Pew findings aren't responsive. TIA!
You do realize that many, many people who are “culturally affiliated”, as PP states, do not attend services. I can’t believe you need that explained to you.
Here's an idea: if you make an assertion, provide some stats to back it up. Don't petulantly demand that others prove your points for you.
Stats on attendance at houses of worship do exist, if you could be arsed to look for them.
But if you take a closer look, you'll still be disappointed. According to that very same Pew link, of those who do not attend services, only 28% say that's because they don't believe. 37% say they practice their faith in other ways, and another 37% say they haven't found a house of worship they like. 22% say it's because of logistical reasons like time or being in poor health.
Lesson learned: read the link before making claims you can't be bothered to prove.
Practicing your faith in other ways could be as simple as exchanging Christmas presents or taking your kid to get a picture with a malll Santa. It's not mutually exclusive with PP's read that these people could consider themselves Cultural Christians.
You're very upset but the stats you have provided are not painting the picture you think they are. Only 61% of people who actually attend church say it's to be closer to God, and then of the people who don't attend church who were asked why, 37% chose the multiple choice answer closest to "none of your business." I'm not sure why you're reading this as "everyone really deeply believes the same things I do!"
I'm going to be your best friend tonight. It seems you have no idea how poorly you come off with the misrepresentations, misunderstandings, and calling others names.
Please take a breather. Come back when you've given your ideas a good, serious, think-through. Gather some facts and sources of your own. Your ideas aren't bad, but your execution undermines what you're trying to say.
Who called anyone names?
A bunch of atheist haters on the other thread called posters “trolls” anytime they couldn’t answer a question.
You're referring to posters not wanting to answer your completely irrelevant questions about their news sources. I finally answered with my sources, The Guardian and NY Times, and then you wanted to know which reporters. Miss me with that trolling.
There’s the name calling.
You aren’t reading about Dawkins on the guardian or NYT. Total BS.
Wut? The Guardian loves Dawkins.
Last article was 3 years ago…
Good Lord. This thread is about whether DCUM’s atheists are correct to assert that most people attend religious services “for the community.” And the very first OP links to a Pew survey that shows that’s massively false.
If you want to discuss coverage of Dawkins, that’s the other thread. And the only relevant coverage for that thread is the article OP linked to, about Dawkins’ relationship to cultural Christianity.
Your obsessive interest in where people read about Dawkins is both boring and irrelevant to both these threads.
Focus, people. This thread is about DCUM’s atheists constantly asserting that people only go to church for the socializing. Pew says no, was it 80% say they go to be closer to God.
Care to comment on the thread topic?
I’m just curious why religious people obsess over him and I haven’t received a legit answer yet. Just some BS.
I’m also curious why you have misrepresented the comment from the other thread. Here was the quote:
“ I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.”
Nothing about why people go to church.
Interesting how people “of faith” can’t have a good faith discussion. Just lots of misrepresentation and projection.
As OP said, this false fact—about Christians just going to church for the donuts and company—appears on DCUM all the time, not just in that other thread. But you’re picking just one of the gazillion atheist posts with that false fact, and then you’re choosing to focus on the narrow phrase “culturally affiliated” in that one particular thread. It’s almost like you want to miss the big picture.
FYI, someone handled the cultural affiliation thing a page or so ago, but apparently you didn’t read it.
People are talking about Dawkins because some OP started a thread about him and gave a link. Also, we’ve all heard about him, wherever we get our news. Why do we need an inquest on this, because why is this so hard to understand?
Also. You can’t write a single post without abuse, can you? You make atheists look bad.
OP misrepresented what was said on the other thread. It wasn’t about going to services at all.
The person who claims they hear about him a lot on the guardian and NYT was lying.
Are you the spokesperson for every single person who believes in god(s)? No. And I’m not the spokesperson for every single person who doesn’t.
It’s time you stop misrepresenting entire threads. Here’s what OP said. “So, the people going to churches, synagogues and mosques are not just there "for the community," as DCUM's atheists tell us on the daily, most recently today.”
So OP wasn’t just talking about that one thread, she was addressing some fake facts she sees a lot from DCUM’s atheists.
And wtf about being a spokesperson for anything. Nobody claimed that.
I hope you get a good night’s sleep and come back to this discussion tomorrow with a clearer view of what’s actually being said.
No, OP started this thread specifically to address comments in that thread. Comments that were misrepresented:
A: I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.
B: Agree
C: You're wrong, quite the opposite in fact. Pew says 94% of those who attend religious services do so because they want to become closer to God.
Thread title: s/o Do People Attend Religious Services for the Religious Aspects, or for Community?”
Could that be any clearer?
OP created the thread in response to that thread and misrepresented what was said.
I’m OP and I created a thread to respond to my thread title. This is actually very simple.
You either misunderstand or intentionally misrepresented what was said.
The thread title doesn’t even call out that other thread. The OP refers to that other thread only in passing, and very clearly states this is an issue in many threads.
Anonymous wrote:Here are some more interesting facts from that Pew survey.
The 81% number was from a question where respondents could choose multiple answers.
When respondents were asked to give the MOST important reason they attend religious services, 61% that was to get closer to God. Everything else was much lower, like the 8% who said it was to be a better person.
A tiny <1% said they attended "to meet new people/socialize." Hardly the "immense majority" claimed by some DCUM atheists.
I get that logic and facts must be tough for you, but that wasn’t what anyone claimed.
Here, verbatim, is what the "research scientist" claimed and which 2 of you plus-oned:
"I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not." When asked to back this up with cites, nobody did (or could).
So this thread gives cites from Pew, no less, showing that only a small percentage (under 4% total) attend religious services for the cultural or social aspects.
Explain to us how Pew findings aren't responsive. TIA!
You do realize that many, many people who are “culturally affiliated”, as PP states, do not attend services. I can’t believe you need that explained to you.
Here's an idea: if you make an assertion, provide some stats to back it up. Don't petulantly demand that others prove your points for you.
Stats on attendance at houses of worship do exist, if you could be arsed to look for them.
But if you take a closer look, you'll still be disappointed. According to that very same Pew link, of those who do not attend services, only 28% say that's because they don't believe. 37% say they practice their faith in other ways, and another 37% say they haven't found a house of worship they like. 22% say it's because of logistical reasons like time or being in poor health.
Lesson learned: read the link before making claims you can't be bothered to prove.
Practicing your faith in other ways could be as simple as exchanging Christmas presents or taking your kid to get a picture with a malll Santa. It's not mutually exclusive with PP's read that these people could consider themselves Cultural Christians.
You're very upset but the stats you have provided are not painting the picture you think they are. Only 61% of people who actually attend church say it's to be closer to God, and then of the people who don't attend church who were asked why, 37% chose the multiple choice answer closest to "none of your business." I'm not sure why you're reading this as "everyone really deeply believes the same things I do!"
I'm going to be your best friend tonight. It seems you have no idea how poorly you come off with the misrepresentations, misunderstandings, and calling others names.
Please take a breather. Come back when you've given your ideas a good, serious, think-through. Gather some facts and sources of your own. Your ideas aren't bad, but your execution undermines what you're trying to say.
Who called anyone names?
A bunch of atheist haters on the other thread called posters “trolls” anytime they couldn’t answer a question.
You're referring to posters not wanting to answer your completely irrelevant questions about their news sources. I finally answered with my sources, The Guardian and NY Times, and then you wanted to know which reporters. Miss me with that trolling.
There’s the name calling.
You aren’t reading about Dawkins on the guardian or NYT. Total BS.
Wut? The Guardian loves Dawkins.
Last article was 3 years ago…
Good Lord. This thread is about whether DCUM’s atheists are correct to assert that most people attend religious services “for the community.” And the very first OP links to a Pew survey that shows that’s massively false.
If you want to discuss coverage of Dawkins, that’s the other thread. And the only relevant coverage for that thread is the article OP linked to, about Dawkins’ relationship to cultural Christianity.
Your obsessive interest in where people read about Dawkins is both boring and irrelevant to both these threads.
Focus, people. This thread is about DCUM’s atheists constantly asserting that people only go to church for the socializing. Pew says no, was it 80% say they go to be closer to God.
Care to comment on the thread topic?
I’m just curious why religious people obsess over him and I haven’t received a legit answer yet. Just some BS.
I’m also curious why you have misrepresented the comment from the other thread. Here was the quote:
“ I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.”
Nothing about why people go to church.
Interesting how people “of faith” can’t have a good faith discussion. Just lots of misrepresentation and projection.
As OP said, this false fact—about Christians just going to church for the donuts and company—appears on DCUM all the time, not just in that other thread. But you’re picking just one of the gazillion atheist posts with that false fact, and then you’re choosing to focus on the narrow phrase “culturally affiliated” in that one particular thread. It’s almost like you want to miss the big picture.
FYI, someone handled the cultural affiliation thing a page or so ago, but apparently you didn’t read it.
People are talking about Dawkins because some OP started a thread about him and gave a link. Also, we’ve all heard about him, wherever we get our news. Why do we need an inquest on this, because why is this so hard to understand?
Also. You can’t write a single post without abuse, can you? You make atheists look bad.
OP misrepresented what was said on the other thread. It wasn’t about going to services at all.
The person who claims they hear about him a lot on the guardian and NYT was lying.
Are you the spokesperson for every single person who believes in god(s)? No. And I’m not the spokesperson for every single person who doesn’t.
It’s time you stop misrepresenting entire threads. Here’s what OP said. “So, the people going to churches, synagogues and mosques are not just there "for the community," as DCUM's atheists tell us on the daily, most recently today.”
So OP wasn’t just talking about that one thread, she was addressing some fake facts she sees a lot from DCUM’s atheists.
And wtf about being a spokesperson for anything. Nobody claimed that.
I hope you get a good night’s sleep and come back to this discussion tomorrow with a clearer view of what’s actually being said.
No, OP started this thread specifically to address comments in that thread. Comments that were misrepresented:
A: I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.
B: Agree
C: You're wrong, quite the opposite in fact. Pew says 94% of those who attend religious services do so because they want to become closer to God.
Thread title: s/o Do People Attend Religious Services for the Religious Aspects, or for Community?”
Could that be any clearer?
OP created the thread in response to that thread and misrepresented what was said.
I’m OP and I created a thread to respond to my thread title. This is actually very simple.
You either misunderstand or intentionally misrepresented what was said.
The thread title doesn’t even call out that other thread. The OP refers to that other thread only in passing, and very clearly states this is an issue in many threads.
What exactly is your problem?
I guess you didn’t read the other thread. OP clearly wanted to move that conversation over here, while twisting what was said.
My problem are posters like OP, who either fundamentally misunderstands a discussion or intentionally misrepresents it.
Anonymous wrote:Here are some more interesting facts from that Pew survey.
The 81% number was from a question where respondents could choose multiple answers.
When respondents were asked to give the MOST important reason they attend religious services, 61% that was to get closer to God. Everything else was much lower, like the 8% who said it was to be a better person.
A tiny <1% said they attended "to meet new people/socialize." Hardly the "immense majority" claimed by some DCUM atheists.
I get that logic and facts must be tough for you, but that wasn’t what anyone claimed.
Here, verbatim, is what the "research scientist" claimed and which 2 of you plus-oned:
"I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not." When asked to back this up with cites, nobody did (or could).
So this thread gives cites from Pew, no less, showing that only a small percentage (under 4% total) attend religious services for the cultural or social aspects.
Explain to us how Pew findings aren't responsive. TIA!
You do realize that many, many people who are “culturally affiliated”, as PP states, do not attend services. I can’t believe you need that explained to you.
Here's an idea: if you make an assertion, provide some stats to back it up. Don't petulantly demand that others prove your points for you.
Stats on attendance at houses of worship do exist, if you could be arsed to look for them.
But if you take a closer look, you'll still be disappointed. According to that very same Pew link, of those who do not attend services, only 28% say that's because they don't believe. 37% say they practice their faith in other ways, and another 37% say they haven't found a house of worship they like. 22% say it's because of logistical reasons like time or being in poor health.
Lesson learned: read the link before making claims you can't be bothered to prove.
Practicing your faith in other ways could be as simple as exchanging Christmas presents or taking your kid to get a picture with a malll Santa. It's not mutually exclusive with PP's read that these people could consider themselves Cultural Christians.
You're very upset but the stats you have provided are not painting the picture you think they are. Only 61% of people who actually attend church say it's to be closer to God, and then of the people who don't attend church who were asked why, 37% chose the multiple choice answer closest to "none of your business." I'm not sure why you're reading this as "everyone really deeply believes the same things I do!"
I'm going to be your best friend tonight. It seems you have no idea how poorly you come off with the misrepresentations, misunderstandings, and calling others names.
Please take a breather. Come back when you've given your ideas a good, serious, think-through. Gather some facts and sources of your own. Your ideas aren't bad, but your execution undermines what you're trying to say.
Who called anyone names?
A bunch of atheist haters on the other thread called posters “trolls” anytime they couldn’t answer a question.
You're referring to posters not wanting to answer your completely irrelevant questions about their news sources. I finally answered with my sources, The Guardian and NY Times, and then you wanted to know which reporters. Miss me with that trolling.
There’s the name calling.
You aren’t reading about Dawkins on the guardian or NYT. Total BS.
Wut? The Guardian loves Dawkins.
Last article was 3 years ago…
Good Lord. This thread is about whether DCUM’s atheists are correct to assert that most people attend religious services “for the community.” And the very first OP links to a Pew survey that shows that’s massively false.
If you want to discuss coverage of Dawkins, that’s the other thread. And the only relevant coverage for that thread is the article OP linked to, about Dawkins’ relationship to cultural Christianity.
Your obsessive interest in where people read about Dawkins is both boring and irrelevant to both these threads.
Focus, people. This thread is about DCUM’s atheists constantly asserting that people only go to church for the socializing. Pew says no, was it 80% say they go to be closer to God.
Care to comment on the thread topic?
I’m just curious why religious people obsess over him and I haven’t received a legit answer yet. Just some BS.
I’m also curious why you have misrepresented the comment from the other thread. Here was the quote:
“ I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.”
Nothing about why people go to church.
Interesting how people “of faith” can’t have a good faith discussion. Just lots of misrepresentation and projection.
As OP said, this false fact—about Christians just going to church for the donuts and company—appears on DCUM all the time, not just in that other thread. But you’re picking just one of the gazillion atheist posts with that false fact, and then you’re choosing to focus on the narrow phrase “culturally affiliated” in that one particular thread. It’s almost like you want to miss the big picture.
FYI, someone handled the cultural affiliation thing a page or so ago, but apparently you didn’t read it.
People are talking about Dawkins because some OP started a thread about him and gave a link. Also, we’ve all heard about him, wherever we get our news. Why do we need an inquest on this, because why is this so hard to understand?
Also. You can’t write a single post without abuse, can you? You make atheists look bad.
OP misrepresented what was said on the other thread. It wasn’t about going to services at all.
The person who claims they hear about him a lot on the guardian and NYT was lying.
Are you the spokesperson for every single person who believes in god(s)? No. And I’m not the spokesperson for every single person who doesn’t.
It’s time you stop misrepresenting entire threads. Here’s what OP said. “So, the people going to churches, synagogues and mosques are not just there "for the community," as DCUM's atheists tell us on the daily, most recently today.”
So OP wasn’t just talking about that one thread, she was addressing some fake facts she sees a lot from DCUM’s atheists.
And wtf about being a spokesperson for anything. Nobody claimed that.
I hope you get a good night’s sleep and come back to this discussion tomorrow with a clearer view of what’s actually being said.
No, OP started this thread specifically to address comments in that thread. Comments that were misrepresented:
A: I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.
B: Agree
C: You're wrong, quite the opposite in fact. Pew says 94% of those who attend religious services do so because they want to become closer to God.
Thread title: s/o Do People Attend Religious Services for the Religious Aspects, or for Community?”
Could that be any clearer?
OP created the thread in response to that thread and misrepresented what was said.
I’m OP and I created a thread to respond to my thread title. This is actually very simple.
You either misunderstand or intentionally misrepresented what was said.
The thread title doesn’t even call out that other thread. The OP refers to that other thread only in passing, and very clearly states this is an issue in many threads.
What exactly is your problem?
I guess you didn’t read the other thread. OP clearly wanted to move that conversation over here, while twisting what was said.
My problem are posters like OP, who either fundamentally misunderstands a discussion or intentionally misrepresents it.
OP’s thread title and first post are extremely clear. She’s tackling something that goes beyond that other thread.
You’re the one misrepresenting what this thread is about. And apparently you’re the only one who doesn’t want to understand it, so you obsess about a few words in a single, different thread as a way of derailing this one. Sorry to be so blunt, but the only alternative is to question your reading comprehension.
Anonymous wrote:Here are some more interesting facts from that Pew survey.
The 81% number was from a question where respondents could choose multiple answers.
When respondents were asked to give the MOST important reason they attend religious services, 61% that was to get closer to God. Everything else was much lower, like the 8% who said it was to be a better person.
A tiny <1% said they attended "to meet new people/socialize." Hardly the "immense majority" claimed by some DCUM atheists.
I get that logic and facts must be tough for you, but that wasn’t what anyone claimed.
Here, verbatim, is what the "research scientist" claimed and which 2 of you plus-oned:
"I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not." When asked to back this up with cites, nobody did (or could).
So this thread gives cites from Pew, no less, showing that only a small percentage (under 4% total) attend religious services for the cultural or social aspects.
Explain to us how Pew findings aren't responsive. TIA!
You do realize that many, many people who are “culturally affiliated”, as PP states, do not attend services. I can’t believe you need that explained to you.
Here's an idea: if you make an assertion, provide some stats to back it up. Don't petulantly demand that others prove your points for you.
Stats on attendance at houses of worship do exist, if you could be arsed to look for them.
But if you take a closer look, you'll still be disappointed. According to that very same Pew link, of those who do not attend services, only 28% say that's because they don't believe. 37% say they practice their faith in other ways, and another 37% say they haven't found a house of worship they like. 22% say it's because of logistical reasons like time or being in poor health.
Lesson learned: read the link before making claims you can't be bothered to prove.
Practicing your faith in other ways could be as simple as exchanging Christmas presents or taking your kid to get a picture with a malll Santa. It's not mutually exclusive with PP's read that these people could consider themselves Cultural Christians.
You're very upset but the stats you have provided are not painting the picture you think they are. Only 61% of people who actually attend church say it's to be closer to God, and then of the people who don't attend church who were asked why, 37% chose the multiple choice answer closest to "none of your business." I'm not sure why you're reading this as "everyone really deeply believes the same things I do!"
I'm going to be your best friend tonight. It seems you have no idea how poorly you come off with the misrepresentations, misunderstandings, and calling others names.
Please take a breather. Come back when you've given your ideas a good, serious, think-through. Gather some facts and sources of your own. Your ideas aren't bad, but your execution undermines what you're trying to say.
Who called anyone names?
A bunch of atheist haters on the other thread called posters “trolls” anytime they couldn’t answer a question.
You're referring to posters not wanting to answer your completely irrelevant questions about their news sources. I finally answered with my sources, The Guardian and NY Times, and then you wanted to know which reporters. Miss me with that trolling.
There’s the name calling.
You aren’t reading about Dawkins on the guardian or NYT. Total BS.
Wut? The Guardian loves Dawkins.
Last article was 3 years ago…
Good Lord. This thread is about whether DCUM’s atheists are correct to assert that most people attend religious services “for the community.” And the very first OP links to a Pew survey that shows that’s massively false.
If you want to discuss coverage of Dawkins, that’s the other thread. And the only relevant coverage for that thread is the article OP linked to, about Dawkins’ relationship to cultural Christianity.
Your obsessive interest in where people read about Dawkins is both boring and irrelevant to both these threads.
Focus, people. This thread is about DCUM’s atheists constantly asserting that people only go to church for the socializing. Pew says no, was it 80% say they go to be closer to God.
Care to comment on the thread topic?
I’m just curious why religious people obsess over him and I haven’t received a legit answer yet. Just some BS.
I’m also curious why you have misrepresented the comment from the other thread. Here was the quote:
“ I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.”
Nothing about why people go to church.
Interesting how people “of faith” can’t have a good faith discussion. Just lots of misrepresentation and projection.
As OP said, this false fact—about Christians just going to church for the donuts and company—appears on DCUM all the time, not just in that other thread. But you’re picking just one of the gazillion atheist posts with that false fact, and then you’re choosing to focus on the narrow phrase “culturally affiliated” in that one particular thread. It’s almost like you want to miss the big picture.
FYI, someone handled the cultural affiliation thing a page or so ago, but apparently you didn’t read it.
People are talking about Dawkins because some OP started a thread about him and gave a link. Also, we’ve all heard about him, wherever we get our news. Why do we need an inquest on this, because why is this so hard to understand?
Also. You can’t write a single post without abuse, can you? You make atheists look bad.
OP misrepresented what was said on the other thread. It wasn’t about going to services at all.
The person who claims they hear about him a lot on the guardian and NYT was lying.
Are you the spokesperson for every single person who believes in god(s)? No. And I’m not the spokesperson for every single person who doesn’t.
It’s time you stop misrepresenting entire threads. Here’s what OP said. “So, the people going to churches, synagogues and mosques are not just there "for the community," as DCUM's atheists tell us on the daily, most recently today.”
So OP wasn’t just talking about that one thread, she was addressing some fake facts she sees a lot from DCUM’s atheists.
And wtf about being a spokesperson for anything. Nobody claimed that.
I hope you get a good night’s sleep and come back to this discussion tomorrow with a clearer view of what’s actually being said.
No, OP started this thread specifically to address comments in that thread. Comments that were misrepresented:
A: I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.
B: Agree
C: You're wrong, quite the opposite in fact. Pew says 94% of those who attend religious services do so because they want to become closer to God.
Thread title: s/o Do People Attend Religious Services for the Religious Aspects, or for Community?”
Could that be any clearer?
OP created the thread in response to that thread and misrepresented what was said.
I’m OP and I created a thread to respond to my thread title. This is actually very simple.
You either misunderstand or intentionally misrepresented what was said.
The thread title doesn’t even call out that other thread. The OP refers to that other thread only in passing, and very clearly states this is an issue in many threads.
What exactly is your problem?
I guess you didn’t read the other thread. OP clearly wanted to move that conversation over here, while twisting what was said.
My problem are posters like OP, who either fundamentally misunderstands a discussion or intentionally misrepresents it.
Anonymous wrote:Here are some more interesting facts from that Pew survey.
The 81% number was from a question where respondents could choose multiple answers.
When respondents were asked to give the MOST important reason they attend religious services, 61% that was to get closer to God. Everything else was much lower, like the 8% who said it was to be a better person.
A tiny <1% said they attended "to meet new people/socialize." Hardly the "immense majority" claimed by some DCUM atheists.
I get that logic and facts must be tough for you, but that wasn’t what anyone claimed.
Here, verbatim, is what the "research scientist" claimed and which 2 of you plus-oned:
"I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not." When asked to back this up with cites, nobody did (or could).
So this thread gives cites from Pew, no less, showing that only a small percentage (under 4% total) attend religious services for the cultural or social aspects.
Explain to us how Pew findings aren't responsive. TIA!
You do realize that many, many people who are “culturally affiliated”, as PP states, do not attend services. I can’t believe you need that explained to you.
Here's an idea: if you make an assertion, provide some stats to back it up. Don't petulantly demand that others prove your points for you.
Stats on attendance at houses of worship do exist, if you could be arsed to look for them.
But if you take a closer look, you'll still be disappointed. According to that very same Pew link, of those who do not attend services, only 28% say that's because they don't believe. 37% say they practice their faith in other ways, and another 37% say they haven't found a house of worship they like. 22% say it's because of logistical reasons like time or being in poor health.
Lesson learned: read the link before making claims you can't be bothered to prove.
Practicing your faith in other ways could be as simple as exchanging Christmas presents or taking your kid to get a picture with a malll Santa. It's not mutually exclusive with PP's read that these people could consider themselves Cultural Christians.
You're very upset but the stats you have provided are not painting the picture you think they are. Only 61% of people who actually attend church say it's to be closer to God, and then of the people who don't attend church who were asked why, 37% chose the multiple choice answer closest to "none of your business." I'm not sure why you're reading this as "everyone really deeply believes the same things I do!"
I'm going to be your best friend tonight. It seems you have no idea how poorly you come off with the misrepresentations, misunderstandings, and calling others names.
Please take a breather. Come back when you've given your ideas a good, serious, think-through. Gather some facts and sources of your own. Your ideas aren't bad, but your execution undermines what you're trying to say.
Who called anyone names?
A bunch of atheist haters on the other thread called posters “trolls” anytime they couldn’t answer a question.
You're referring to posters not wanting to answer your completely irrelevant questions about their news sources. I finally answered with my sources, The Guardian and NY Times, and then you wanted to know which reporters. Miss me with that trolling.
There’s the name calling.
You aren’t reading about Dawkins on the guardian or NYT. Total BS.
Wut? The Guardian loves Dawkins.
Last article was 3 years ago…
Good Lord. This thread is about whether DCUM’s atheists are correct to assert that most people attend religious services “for the community.” And the very first OP links to a Pew survey that shows that’s massively false.
If you want to discuss coverage of Dawkins, that’s the other thread. And the only relevant coverage for that thread is the article OP linked to, about Dawkins’ relationship to cultural Christianity.
Your obsessive interest in where people read about Dawkins is both boring and irrelevant to both these threads.
Focus, people. This thread is about DCUM’s atheists constantly asserting that people only go to church for the socializing. Pew says no, was it 80% say they go to be closer to God.
Care to comment on the thread topic?
I’m just curious why religious people obsess over him and I haven’t received a legit answer yet. Just some BS.
I’m also curious why you have misrepresented the comment from the other thread. Here was the quote:
“ I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.”
Nothing about why people go to church.
Interesting how people “of faith” can’t have a good faith discussion. Just lots of misrepresentation and projection.
As OP said, this false fact—about Christians just going to church for the donuts and company—appears on DCUM all the time, not just in that other thread. But you’re picking just one of the gazillion atheist posts with that false fact, and then you’re choosing to focus on the narrow phrase “culturally affiliated” in that one particular thread. It’s almost like you want to miss the big picture.
FYI, someone handled the cultural affiliation thing a page or so ago, but apparently you didn’t read it.
People are talking about Dawkins because some OP started a thread about him and gave a link. Also, we’ve all heard about him, wherever we get our news. Why do we need an inquest on this, because why is this so hard to understand?
Also. You can’t write a single post without abuse, can you? You make atheists look bad.
OP misrepresented what was said on the other thread. It wasn’t about going to services at all.
The person who claims they hear about him a lot on the guardian and NYT was lying.
Are you the spokesperson for every single person who believes in god(s)? No. And I’m not the spokesperson for every single person who doesn’t.
It’s time you stop misrepresenting entire threads. Here’s what OP said. “So, the people going to churches, synagogues and mosques are not just there "for the community," as DCUM's atheists tell us on the daily, most recently today.”
So OP wasn’t just talking about that one thread, she was addressing some fake facts she sees a lot from DCUM’s atheists.
And wtf about being a spokesperson for anything. Nobody claimed that.
I hope you get a good night’s sleep and come back to this discussion tomorrow with a clearer view of what’s actually being said.
No, OP started this thread specifically to address comments in that thread. Comments that were misrepresented:
A: I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.
B: Agree
C: You're wrong, quite the opposite in fact. Pew says 94% of those who attend religious services do so because they want to become closer to God.
Thread title: s/o Do People Attend Religious Services for the Religious Aspects, or for Community?”
Could that be any clearer?
OP created the thread in response to that thread and misrepresented what was said.
I’m OP and I created a thread to respond to my thread title. This is actually very simple.
You either misunderstand or intentionally misrepresented what was said.
The thread title doesn’t even call out that other thread. The OP refers to that other thread only in passing, and very clearly states this is an issue in many threads.
What exactly is your problem?
I guess you didn’t read the other thread. OP clearly wanted to move that conversation over here, while twisting what was said.
My problem are posters like OP, who either fundamentally misunderstands a discussion or intentionally misrepresents it.
OP’s thread title and first post are extremely clear. She’s tackling something that goes beyond that other thread.
You’re the one misrepresenting what this thread is about. And apparently you’re the only one who doesn’t want to understand it, so you obsess about a few words in a single, different thread as a way of derailing this one. Sorry to be so blunt, but the only alternative is to question your reading comprehension.
This is a spin off thread - clearly says so in the title. And OP tried multiple times on the other thread to push people over to this twisted take on the discussion.
Anonymous wrote:Here are some more interesting facts from that Pew survey.
The 81% number was from a question where respondents could choose multiple answers.
When respondents were asked to give the MOST important reason they attend religious services, 61% that was to get closer to God. Everything else was much lower, like the 8% who said it was to be a better person.
A tiny <1% said they attended "to meet new people/socialize." Hardly the "immense majority" claimed by some DCUM atheists.
I get that logic and facts must be tough for you, but that wasn’t what anyone claimed.
Here, verbatim, is what the "research scientist" claimed and which 2 of you plus-oned:
"I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not." When asked to back this up with cites, nobody did (or could).
So this thread gives cites from Pew, no less, showing that only a small percentage (under 4% total) attend religious services for the cultural or social aspects.
Explain to us how Pew findings aren't responsive. TIA!
You do realize that many, many people who are “culturally affiliated”, as PP states, do not attend services. I can’t believe you need that explained to you.
Here's an idea: if you make an assertion, provide some stats to back it up. Don't petulantly demand that others prove your points for you.
Stats on attendance at houses of worship do exist, if you could be arsed to look for them.
But if you take a closer look, you'll still be disappointed. According to that very same Pew link, of those who do not attend services, only 28% say that's because they don't believe. 37% say they practice their faith in other ways, and another 37% say they haven't found a house of worship they like. 22% say it's because of logistical reasons like time or being in poor health.
Lesson learned: read the link before making claims you can't be bothered to prove.
Practicing your faith in other ways could be as simple as exchanging Christmas presents or taking your kid to get a picture with a malll Santa. It's not mutually exclusive with PP's read that these people could consider themselves Cultural Christians.
You're very upset but the stats you have provided are not painting the picture you think they are. Only 61% of people who actually attend church say it's to be closer to God, and then of the people who don't attend church who were asked why, 37% chose the multiple choice answer closest to "none of your business." I'm not sure why you're reading this as "everyone really deeply believes the same things I do!"
I'm going to be your best friend tonight. It seems you have no idea how poorly you come off with the misrepresentations, misunderstandings, and calling others names.
Please take a breather. Come back when you've given your ideas a good, serious, think-through. Gather some facts and sources of your own. Your ideas aren't bad, but your execution undermines what you're trying to say.
Who called anyone names?
A bunch of atheist haters on the other thread called posters “trolls” anytime they couldn’t answer a question.
You're referring to posters not wanting to answer your completely irrelevant questions about their news sources. I finally answered with my sources, The Guardian and NY Times, and then you wanted to know which reporters. Miss me with that trolling.
There’s the name calling.
You aren’t reading about Dawkins on the guardian or NYT. Total BS.
Wut? The Guardian loves Dawkins.
Last article was 3 years ago…
Good Lord. This thread is about whether DCUM’s atheists are correct to assert that most people attend religious services “for the community.” And the very first OP links to a Pew survey that shows that’s massively false.
If you want to discuss coverage of Dawkins, that’s the other thread. And the only relevant coverage for that thread is the article OP linked to, about Dawkins’ relationship to cultural Christianity.
Your obsessive interest in where people read about Dawkins is both boring and irrelevant to both these threads.
Focus, people. This thread is about DCUM’s atheists constantly asserting that people only go to church for the socializing. Pew says no, was it 80% say they go to be closer to God.
Care to comment on the thread topic?
I’m just curious why religious people obsess over him and I haven’t received a legit answer yet. Just some BS.
I’m also curious why you have misrepresented the comment from the other thread. Here was the quote:
“ I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.”
Nothing about why people go to church.
Interesting how people “of faith” can’t have a good faith discussion. Just lots of misrepresentation and projection.
As OP said, this false fact—about Christians just going to church for the donuts and company—appears on DCUM all the time, not just in that other thread. But you’re picking just one of the gazillion atheist posts with that false fact, and then you’re choosing to focus on the narrow phrase “culturally affiliated” in that one particular thread. It’s almost like you want to miss the big picture.
FYI, someone handled the cultural affiliation thing a page or so ago, but apparently you didn’t read it.
People are talking about Dawkins because some OP started a thread about him and gave a link. Also, we’ve all heard about him, wherever we get our news. Why do we need an inquest on this, because why is this so hard to understand?
Also. You can’t write a single post without abuse, can you? You make atheists look bad.
OP misrepresented what was said on the other thread. It wasn’t about going to services at all.
The person who claims they hear about him a lot on the guardian and NYT was lying.
Are you the spokesperson for every single person who believes in god(s)? No. And I’m not the spokesperson for every single person who doesn’t.
It’s time you stop misrepresenting entire threads. Here’s what OP said. “So, the people going to churches, synagogues and mosques are not just there "for the community," as DCUM's atheists tell us on the daily, most recently today.”
So OP wasn’t just talking about that one thread, she was addressing some fake facts she sees a lot from DCUM’s atheists.
And wtf about being a spokesperson for anything. Nobody claimed that.
I hope you get a good night’s sleep and come back to this discussion tomorrow with a clearer view of what’s actually being said.
No, OP started this thread specifically to address comments in that thread. Comments that were misrepresented:
A: I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.
B: Agree
C: You're wrong, quite the opposite in fact. Pew says 94% of those who attend religious services do so because they want to become closer to God.
Thread title: s/o Do People Attend Religious Services for the Religious Aspects, or for Community?”
Could that be any clearer?
OP created the thread in response to that thread and misrepresented what was said.
I’m OP and I created a thread to respond to my thread title. This is actually very simple.
You either misunderstand or intentionally misrepresented what was said.
The thread title doesn’t even call out that other thread. The OP refers to that other thread only in passing, and very clearly states this is an issue in many threads.
What exactly is your problem?
I guess you didn’t read the other thread. OP clearly wanted to move that conversation over here, while twisting what was said.
My problem are posters like OP, who either fundamentally misunderstands a discussion or intentionally misrepresents it.
Anonymous wrote:Here are some more interesting facts from that Pew survey.
The 81% number was from a question where respondents could choose multiple answers.
When respondents were asked to give the MOST important reason they attend religious services, 61% that was to get closer to God. Everything else was much lower, like the 8% who said it was to be a better person.
A tiny <1% said they attended "to meet new people/socialize." Hardly the "immense majority" claimed by some DCUM atheists.
I get that logic and facts must be tough for you, but that wasn’t what anyone claimed.
Here, verbatim, is what the "research scientist" claimed and which 2 of you plus-oned:
"I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not." When asked to back this up with cites, nobody did (or could).
So this thread gives cites from Pew, no less, showing that only a small percentage (under 4% total) attend religious services for the cultural or social aspects.
Explain to us how Pew findings aren't responsive. TIA!
You do realize that many, many people who are “culturally affiliated”, as PP states, do not attend services. I can’t believe you need that explained to you.
Here's an idea: if you make an assertion, provide some stats to back it up. Don't petulantly demand that others prove your points for you.
Stats on attendance at houses of worship do exist, if you could be arsed to look for them.
But if you take a closer look, you'll still be disappointed. According to that very same Pew link, of those who do not attend services, only 28% say that's because they don't believe. 37% say they practice their faith in other ways, and another 37% say they haven't found a house of worship they like. 22% say it's because of logistical reasons like time or being in poor health.
Lesson learned: read the link before making claims you can't be bothered to prove.
Practicing your faith in other ways could be as simple as exchanging Christmas presents or taking your kid to get a picture with a malll Santa. It's not mutually exclusive with PP's read that these people could consider themselves Cultural Christians.
You're very upset but the stats you have provided are not painting the picture you think they are. Only 61% of people who actually attend church say it's to be closer to God, and then of the people who don't attend church who were asked why, 37% chose the multiple choice answer closest to "none of your business." I'm not sure why you're reading this as "everyone really deeply believes the same things I do!"
I'm going to be your best friend tonight. It seems you have no idea how poorly you come off with the misrepresentations, misunderstandings, and calling others names.
Please take a breather. Come back when you've given your ideas a good, serious, think-through. Gather some facts and sources of your own. Your ideas aren't bad, but your execution undermines what you're trying to say.
Who called anyone names?
A bunch of atheist haters on the other thread called posters “trolls” anytime they couldn’t answer a question.
You're referring to posters not wanting to answer your completely irrelevant questions about their news sources. I finally answered with my sources, The Guardian and NY Times, and then you wanted to know which reporters. Miss me with that trolling.
There’s the name calling.
You aren’t reading about Dawkins on the guardian or NYT. Total BS.
Wut? The Guardian loves Dawkins.
Last article was 3 years ago…
Good Lord. This thread is about whether DCUM’s atheists are correct to assert that most people attend religious services “for the community.” And the very first OP links to a Pew survey that shows that’s massively false.
If you want to discuss coverage of Dawkins, that’s the other thread. And the only relevant coverage for that thread is the article OP linked to, about Dawkins’ relationship to cultural Christianity.
Your obsessive interest in where people read about Dawkins is both boring and irrelevant to both these threads.
Focus, people. This thread is about DCUM’s atheists constantly asserting that people only go to church for the socializing. Pew says no, was it 80% say they go to be closer to God.
Care to comment on the thread topic?
I’m just curious why religious people obsess over him and I haven’t received a legit answer yet. Just some BS.
I’m also curious why you have misrepresented the comment from the other thread. Here was the quote:
“ I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.”
Nothing about why people go to church.
Interesting how people “of faith” can’t have a good faith discussion. Just lots of misrepresentation and projection.
As OP said, this false fact—about Christians just going to church for the donuts and company—appears on DCUM all the time, not just in that other thread. But you’re picking just one of the gazillion atheist posts with that false fact, and then you’re choosing to focus on the narrow phrase “culturally affiliated” in that one particular thread. It’s almost like you want to miss the big picture.
FYI, someone handled the cultural affiliation thing a page or so ago, but apparently you didn’t read it.
People are talking about Dawkins because some OP started a thread about him and gave a link. Also, we’ve all heard about him, wherever we get our news. Why do we need an inquest on this, because why is this so hard to understand?
Also. You can’t write a single post without abuse, can you? You make atheists look bad.
OP misrepresented what was said on the other thread. It wasn’t about going to services at all.
The person who claims they hear about him a lot on the guardian and NYT was lying.
Are you the spokesperson for every single person who believes in god(s)? No. And I’m not the spokesperson for every single person who doesn’t.
It’s time you stop misrepresenting entire threads. Here’s what OP said. “So, the people going to churches, synagogues and mosques are not just there "for the community," as DCUM's atheists tell us on the daily, most recently today.”
So OP wasn’t just talking about that one thread, she was addressing some fake facts she sees a lot from DCUM’s atheists.
And wtf about being a spokesperson for anything. Nobody claimed that.
I hope you get a good night’s sleep and come back to this discussion tomorrow with a clearer view of what’s actually being said.
No, OP started this thread specifically to address comments in that thread. Comments that were misrepresented:
A: I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.
B: Agree
C: You're wrong, quite the opposite in fact. Pew says 94% of those who attend religious services do so because they want to become closer to God.
Thread title: s/o Do People Attend Religious Services for the Religious Aspects, or for Community?”
Could that be any clearer?
OP created the thread in response to that thread and misrepresented what was said.
I’m OP and I created a thread to respond to my thread title. This is actually very simple.
You either misunderstand or intentionally misrepresented what was said.
The thread title doesn’t even call out that other thread. The OP refers to that other thread only in passing, and very clearly states this is an issue in many threads.
What exactly is your problem?
I guess you didn’t read the other thread. OP clearly wanted to move that conversation over here, while twisting what was said.
My problem are posters like OP, who either fundamentally misunderstands a discussion or intentionally misrepresents it.
Anonymous wrote:Here are some more interesting facts from that Pew survey.
The 81% number was from a question where respondents could choose multiple answers.
When respondents were asked to give the MOST important reason they attend religious services, 61% that was to get closer to God. Everything else was much lower, like the 8% who said it was to be a better person.
A tiny <1% said they attended "to meet new people/socialize." Hardly the "immense majority" claimed by some DCUM atheists.
I get that logic and facts must be tough for you, but that wasn’t what anyone claimed.
Here, verbatim, is what the "research scientist" claimed and which 2 of you plus-oned:
"I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not." When asked to back this up with cites, nobody did (or could).
So this thread gives cites from Pew, no less, showing that only a small percentage (under 4% total) attend religious services for the cultural or social aspects.
Explain to us how Pew findings aren't responsive. TIA!
You do realize that many, many people who are “culturally affiliated”, as PP states, do not attend services. I can’t believe you need that explained to you.
Here's an idea: if you make an assertion, provide some stats to back it up. Don't petulantly demand that others prove your points for you.
Stats on attendance at houses of worship do exist, if you could be arsed to look for them.
But if you take a closer look, you'll still be disappointed. According to that very same Pew link, of those who do not attend services, only 28% say that's because they don't believe. 37% say they practice their faith in other ways, and another 37% say they haven't found a house of worship they like. 22% say it's because of logistical reasons like time or being in poor health.
Lesson learned: read the link before making claims you can't be bothered to prove.
Practicing your faith in other ways could be as simple as exchanging Christmas presents or taking your kid to get a picture with a malll Santa. It's not mutually exclusive with PP's read that these people could consider themselves Cultural Christians.
You're very upset but the stats you have provided are not painting the picture you think they are. Only 61% of people who actually attend church say it's to be closer to God, and then of the people who don't attend church who were asked why, 37% chose the multiple choice answer closest to "none of your business." I'm not sure why you're reading this as "everyone really deeply believes the same things I do!"
I'm going to be your best friend tonight. It seems you have no idea how poorly you come off with the misrepresentations, misunderstandings, and calling others names.
Please take a breather. Come back when you've given your ideas a good, serious, think-through. Gather some facts and sources of your own. Your ideas aren't bad, but your execution undermines what you're trying to say.
Who called anyone names?
A bunch of atheist haters on the other thread called posters “trolls” anytime they couldn’t answer a question.
You're referring to posters not wanting to answer your completely irrelevant questions about their news sources. I finally answered with my sources, The Guardian and NY Times, and then you wanted to know which reporters. Miss me with that trolling.
There’s the name calling.
You aren’t reading about Dawkins on the guardian or NYT. Total BS.
Wut? The Guardian loves Dawkins.
Last article was 3 years ago…
Good Lord. This thread is about whether DCUM’s atheists are correct to assert that most people attend religious services “for the community.” And the very first OP links to a Pew survey that shows that’s massively false.
If you want to discuss coverage of Dawkins, that’s the other thread. And the only relevant coverage for that thread is the article OP linked to, about Dawkins’ relationship to cultural Christianity.
Your obsessive interest in where people read about Dawkins is both boring and irrelevant to both these threads.
Focus, people. This thread is about DCUM’s atheists constantly asserting that people only go to church for the socializing. Pew says no, was it 80% say they go to be closer to God.
Care to comment on the thread topic?
I’m just curious why religious people obsess over him and I haven’t received a legit answer yet. Just some BS.
I’m also curious why you have misrepresented the comment from the other thread. Here was the quote:
“ I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.”
Nothing about why people go to church.
Interesting how people “of faith” can’t have a good faith discussion. Just lots of misrepresentation and projection.
As OP said, this false fact—about Christians just going to church for the donuts and company—appears on DCUM all the time, not just in that other thread. But you’re picking just one of the gazillion atheist posts with that false fact, and then you’re choosing to focus on the narrow phrase “culturally affiliated” in that one particular thread. It’s almost like you want to miss the big picture.
FYI, someone handled the cultural affiliation thing a page or so ago, but apparently you didn’t read it.
People are talking about Dawkins because some OP started a thread about him and gave a link. Also, we’ve all heard about him, wherever we get our news. Why do we need an inquest on this, because why is this so hard to understand?
Also. You can’t write a single post without abuse, can you? You make atheists look bad.
OP misrepresented what was said on the other thread. It wasn’t about going to services at all.
The person who claims they hear about him a lot on the guardian and NYT was lying.
Are you the spokesperson for every single person who believes in god(s)? No. And I’m not the spokesperson for every single person who doesn’t.
It’s time you stop misrepresenting entire threads. Here’s what OP said. “So, the people going to churches, synagogues and mosques are not just there "for the community," as DCUM's atheists tell us on the daily, most recently today.”
So OP wasn’t just talking about that one thread, she was addressing some fake facts she sees a lot from DCUM’s atheists.
And wtf about being a spokesperson for anything. Nobody claimed that.
I hope you get a good night’s sleep and come back to this discussion tomorrow with a clearer view of what’s actually being said.
No, OP started this thread specifically to address comments in that thread. Comments that were misrepresented:
A: I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.
B: Agree
C: You're wrong, quite the opposite in fact. Pew says 94% of those who attend religious services do so because they want to become closer to God.
Thread title: s/o Do People Attend Religious Services for the Religious Aspects, or for Community?”
Could that be any clearer?
OP created the thread in response to that thread and misrepresented what was said.
I’m OP and I created a thread to respond to my thread title. This is actually very simple.
You either misunderstand or intentionally misrepresented what was said.
The thread title doesn’t even call out that other thread. The OP refers to that other thread only in passing, and very clearly states this is an issue in many threads.
What exactly is your problem?
I guess you didn’t read the other thread. OP clearly wanted to move that conversation over here, while twisting what was said.
My problem are posters like OP, who either fundamentally misunderstands a discussion or intentionally misrepresents it.
As I’ve said earlier, polls suck. Who, in 2024, even answers unknown callers and takes the time to answer personal questions about religion? We can all picture exactly who that is.
Anonymous wrote:Here are some more interesting facts from that Pew survey.
The 81% number was from a question where respondents could choose multiple answers.
When respondents were asked to give the MOST important reason they attend religious services, 61% that was to get closer to God. Everything else was much lower, like the 8% who said it was to be a better person.
A tiny <1% said they attended "to meet new people/socialize." Hardly the "immense majority" claimed by some DCUM atheists.
I get that logic and facts must be tough for you, but that wasn’t what anyone claimed.
Here, verbatim, is what the "research scientist" claimed and which 2 of you plus-oned:
"I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not." When asked to back this up with cites, nobody did (or could).
So this thread gives cites from Pew, no less, showing that only a small percentage (under 4% total) attend religious services for the cultural or social aspects.
Explain to us how Pew findings aren't responsive. TIA!
You do realize that many, many people who are “culturally affiliated”, as PP states, do not attend services. I can’t believe you need that explained to you.
Here's an idea: if you make an assertion, provide some stats to back it up. Don't petulantly demand that others prove your points for you.
Stats on attendance at houses of worship do exist, if you could be arsed to look for them.
But if you take a closer look, you'll still be disappointed. According to that very same Pew link, of those who do not attend services, only 28% say that's because they don't believe. 37% say they practice their faith in other ways, and another 37% say they haven't found a house of worship they like. 22% say it's because of logistical reasons like time or being in poor health.
Lesson learned: read the link before making claims you can't be bothered to prove.
Practicing your faith in other ways could be as simple as exchanging Christmas presents or taking your kid to get a picture with a malll Santa. It's not mutually exclusive with PP's read that these people could consider themselves Cultural Christians.
You're very upset but the stats you have provided are not painting the picture you think they are. Only 61% of people who actually attend church say it's to be closer to God, and then of the people who don't attend church who were asked why, 37% chose the multiple choice answer closest to "none of your business." I'm not sure why you're reading this as "everyone really deeply believes the same things I do!"
I'm going to be your best friend tonight. It seems you have no idea how poorly you come off with the misrepresentations, misunderstandings, and calling others names.
Please take a breather. Come back when you've given your ideas a good, serious, think-through. Gather some facts and sources of your own. Your ideas aren't bad, but your execution undermines what you're trying to say.
Who called anyone names?
A bunch of atheist haters on the other thread called posters “trolls” anytime they couldn’t answer a question.
You're referring to posters not wanting to answer your completely irrelevant questions about their news sources. I finally answered with my sources, The Guardian and NY Times, and then you wanted to know which reporters. Miss me with that trolling.
There’s the name calling.
You aren’t reading about Dawkins on the guardian or NYT. Total BS.
Wut? The Guardian loves Dawkins.
Last article was 3 years ago…
Good Lord. This thread is about whether DCUM’s atheists are correct to assert that most people attend religious services “for the community.” And the very first OP links to a Pew survey that shows that’s massively false.
If you want to discuss coverage of Dawkins, that’s the other thread. And the only relevant coverage for that thread is the article OP linked to, about Dawkins’ relationship to cultural Christianity.
Your obsessive interest in where people read about Dawkins is both boring and irrelevant to both these threads.
Focus, people. This thread is about DCUM’s atheists constantly asserting that people only go to church for the socializing. Pew says no, was it 80% say they go to be closer to God.
Care to comment on the thread topic?
I’m just curious why religious people obsess over him and I haven’t received a legit answer yet. Just some BS.
I’m also curious why you have misrepresented the comment from the other thread. Here was the quote:
“ I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.”
Nothing about why people go to church.
Interesting how people “of faith” can’t have a good faith discussion. Just lots of misrepresentation and projection.
As OP said, this false fact—about Christians just going to church for the donuts and company—appears on DCUM all the time, not just in that other thread. But you’re picking just one of the gazillion atheist posts with that false fact, and then you’re choosing to focus on the narrow phrase “culturally affiliated” in that one particular thread. It’s almost like you want to miss the big picture.
FYI, someone handled the cultural affiliation thing a page or so ago, but apparently you didn’t read it.
People are talking about Dawkins because some OP started a thread about him and gave a link. Also, we’ve all heard about him, wherever we get our news. Why do we need an inquest on this, because why is this so hard to understand?
Also. You can’t write a single post without abuse, can you? You make atheists look bad.
OP misrepresented what was said on the other thread. It wasn’t about going to services at all.
The person who claims they hear about him a lot on the guardian and NYT was lying.
Are you the spokesperson for every single person who believes in god(s)? No. And I’m not the spokesperson for every single person who doesn’t.
It’s time you stop misrepresenting entire threads. Here’s what OP said. “So, the people going to churches, synagogues and mosques are not just there "for the community," as DCUM's atheists tell us on the daily, most recently today.”
So OP wasn’t just talking about that one thread, she was addressing some fake facts she sees a lot from DCUM’s atheists.
And wtf about being a spokesperson for anything. Nobody claimed that.
I hope you get a good night’s sleep and come back to this discussion tomorrow with a clearer view of what’s actually being said.
No, OP started this thread specifically to address comments in that thread. Comments that were misrepresented:
A: I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.
B: Agree
C: You're wrong, quite the opposite in fact. Pew says 94% of those who attend religious services do so because they want to become closer to God.
Thread title: s/o Do People Attend Religious Services for the Religious Aspects, or for Community?”
Could that be any clearer?
OP created the thread in response to that thread and misrepresented what was said.
I’m OP and I created a thread to respond to my thread title. This is actually very simple.
You either misunderstand or intentionally misrepresented what was said.
The thread title doesn’t even call out that other thread. The OP refers to that other thread only in passing, and very clearly states this is an issue in many threads.
What exactly is your problem?
I guess you didn’t read the other thread. OP clearly wanted to move that conversation over here, while twisting what was said.
My problem are posters like OP, who either fundamentally misunderstands a discussion or intentionally misrepresents it.
As I’ve said earlier, polls suck. Who, in 2024, even answers unknown callers and takes the time to answer personal questions about religion? We can all picture exactly who that is.
People should stick to the topic of the thread. Every thread that is driven purposefully off topic becomes a quagmire. Intellectual discourse is great; whatever happens when threads devolve into a verbal food fights is not. People can disagree thoughtfully. That doesn’t seem to happen here often.
Anonymous wrote:Here are some more interesting facts from that Pew survey.
The 81% number was from a question where respondents could choose multiple answers.
When respondents were asked to give the MOST important reason they attend religious services, 61% that was to get closer to God. Everything else was much lower, like the 8% who said it was to be a better person.
A tiny <1% said they attended "to meet new people/socialize." Hardly the "immense majority" claimed by some DCUM atheists.
I get that logic and facts must be tough for you, but that wasn’t what anyone claimed.
Here, verbatim, is what the "research scientist" claimed and which 2 of you plus-oned:
"I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not." When asked to back this up with cites, nobody did (or could).
So this thread gives cites from Pew, no less, showing that only a small percentage (under 4% total) attend religious services for the cultural or social aspects.
Explain to us how Pew findings aren't responsive. TIA!
You do realize that many, many people who are “culturally affiliated”, as PP states, do not attend services. I can’t believe you need that explained to you.
Here's an idea: if you make an assertion, provide some stats to back it up. Don't petulantly demand that others prove your points for you.
Stats on attendance at houses of worship do exist, if you could be arsed to look for them.
But if you take a closer look, you'll still be disappointed. According to that very same Pew link, of those who do not attend services, only 28% say that's because they don't believe. 37% say they practice their faith in other ways, and another 37% say they haven't found a house of worship they like. 22% say it's because of logistical reasons like time or being in poor health.
Lesson learned: read the link before making claims you can't be bothered to prove.
Practicing your faith in other ways could be as simple as exchanging Christmas presents or taking your kid to get a picture with a malll Santa. It's not mutually exclusive with PP's read that these people could consider themselves Cultural Christians.
You're very upset but the stats you have provided are not painting the picture you think they are. Only 61% of people who actually attend church say it's to be closer to God, and then of the people who don't attend church who were asked why, 37% chose the multiple choice answer closest to "none of your business." I'm not sure why you're reading this as "everyone really deeply believes the same things I do!"
I'm going to be your best friend tonight. It seems you have no idea how poorly you come off with the misrepresentations, misunderstandings, and calling others names.
Please take a breather. Come back when you've given your ideas a good, serious, think-through. Gather some facts and sources of your own. Your ideas aren't bad, but your execution undermines what you're trying to say.
Who called anyone names?
A bunch of atheist haters on the other thread called posters “trolls” anytime they couldn’t answer a question.
You're referring to posters not wanting to answer your completely irrelevant questions about their news sources. I finally answered with my sources, The Guardian and NY Times, and then you wanted to know which reporters. Miss me with that trolling.
There’s the name calling.
You aren’t reading about Dawkins on the guardian or NYT. Total BS.
Wut? The Guardian loves Dawkins.
Last article was 3 years ago…
Good Lord. This thread is about whether DCUM’s atheists are correct to assert that most people attend religious services “for the community.” And the very first OP links to a Pew survey that shows that’s massively false.
If you want to discuss coverage of Dawkins, that’s the other thread. And the only relevant coverage for that thread is the article OP linked to, about Dawkins’ relationship to cultural Christianity.
Your obsessive interest in where people read about Dawkins is both boring and irrelevant to both these threads.
Focus, people. This thread is about DCUM’s atheists constantly asserting that people only go to church for the socializing. Pew says no, was it 80% say they go to be closer to God.
Care to comment on the thread topic?
I’m just curious why religious people obsess over him and I haven’t received a legit answer yet. Just some BS.
I’m also curious why you have misrepresented the comment from the other thread. Here was the quote:
“ I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.”
Nothing about why people go to church.
Interesting how people “of faith” can’t have a good faith discussion. Just lots of misrepresentation and projection.
As OP said, this false fact—about Christians just going to church for the donuts and company—appears on DCUM all the time, not just in that other thread. But you’re picking just one of the gazillion atheist posts with that false fact, and then you’re choosing to focus on the narrow phrase “culturally affiliated” in that one particular thread. It’s almost like you want to miss the big picture.
FYI, someone handled the cultural affiliation thing a page or so ago, but apparently you didn’t read it.
People are talking about Dawkins because some OP started a thread about him and gave a link. Also, we’ve all heard about him, wherever we get our news. Why do we need an inquest on this, because why is this so hard to understand?
Also. You can’t write a single post without abuse, can you? You make atheists look bad.
OP misrepresented what was said on the other thread. It wasn’t about going to services at all.
The person who claims they hear about him a lot on the guardian and NYT was lying.
Are you the spokesperson for every single person who believes in god(s)? No. And I’m not the spokesperson for every single person who doesn’t.
It’s time you stop misrepresenting entire threads. Here’s what OP said. “So, the people going to churches, synagogues and mosques are not just there "for the community," as DCUM's atheists tell us on the daily, most recently today.”
So OP wasn’t just talking about that one thread, she was addressing some fake facts she sees a lot from DCUM’s atheists.
And wtf about being a spokesperson for anything. Nobody claimed that.
I hope you get a good night’s sleep and come back to this discussion tomorrow with a clearer view of what’s actually being said.
No, OP started this thread specifically to address comments in that thread. Comments that were misrepresented:
A: I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.
B: Agree
C: You're wrong, quite the opposite in fact. Pew says 94% of those who attend religious services do so because they want to become closer to God.
Thread title: s/o Do People Attend Religious Services for the Religious Aspects, or for Community?”
Could that be any clearer?
OP created the thread in response to that thread and misrepresented what was said.
I’m OP and I created a thread to respond to my thread title. This is actually very simple.
You either misunderstand or intentionally misrepresented what was said.
The thread title doesn’t even call out that other thread. The OP refers to that other thread only in passing, and very clearly states this is an issue in many threads.
What exactly is your problem?
I guess you didn’t read the other thread. OP clearly wanted to move that conversation over here, while twisting what was said.
My problem are posters like OP, who either fundamentally misunderstands a discussion or intentionally misrepresents it.
As I’ve said earlier, polls suck. Who, in 2024, even answers unknown callers and takes the time to answer personal questions about religion? We can all picture exactly who that is.
Anonymous wrote:People should stick to the topic of the thread. Every thread that is driven purposefully off topic becomes a quagmire. Intellectual discourse is great; whatever happens when threads devolve into a verbal food fights is not. People can disagree thoughtfully. That doesn’t seem to happen here often.
It’s impossible to have any sort of intellectual discussion when people like OP misconstrue and twist what was said.
Anonymous wrote:Here are some more interesting facts from that Pew survey.
The 81% number was from a question where respondents could choose multiple answers.
When respondents were asked to give the MOST important reason they attend religious services, 61% that was to get closer to God. Everything else was much lower, like the 8% who said it was to be a better person.
A tiny <1% said they attended "to meet new people/socialize." Hardly the "immense majority" claimed by some DCUM atheists.
I get that logic and facts must be tough for you, but that wasn’t what anyone claimed.
Here, verbatim, is what the "research scientist" claimed and which 2 of you plus-oned:
"I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not." When asked to back this up with cites, nobody did (or could).
So this thread gives cites from Pew, no less, showing that only a small percentage (under 4% total) attend religious services for the cultural or social aspects.
Explain to us how Pew findings aren't responsive. TIA!
You do realize that many, many people who are “culturally affiliated”, as PP states, do not attend services. I can’t believe you need that explained to you.
Here's an idea: if you make an assertion, provide some stats to back it up. Don't petulantly demand that others prove your points for you.
Stats on attendance at houses of worship do exist, if you could be arsed to look for them.
But if you take a closer look, you'll still be disappointed. According to that very same Pew link, of those who do not attend services, only 28% say that's because they don't believe. 37% say they practice their faith in other ways, and another 37% say they haven't found a house of worship they like. 22% say it's because of logistical reasons like time or being in poor health.
Lesson learned: read the link before making claims you can't be bothered to prove.
Practicing your faith in other ways could be as simple as exchanging Christmas presents or taking your kid to get a picture with a malll Santa. It's not mutually exclusive with PP's read that these people could consider themselves Cultural Christians.
You're very upset but the stats you have provided are not painting the picture you think they are. Only 61% of people who actually attend church say it's to be closer to God, and then of the people who don't attend church who were asked why, 37% chose the multiple choice answer closest to "none of your business." I'm not sure why you're reading this as "everyone really deeply believes the same things I do!"
I'm going to be your best friend tonight. It seems you have no idea how poorly you come off with the misrepresentations, misunderstandings, and calling others names.
Please take a breather. Come back when you've given your ideas a good, serious, think-through. Gather some facts and sources of your own. Your ideas aren't bad, but your execution undermines what you're trying to say.
Who called anyone names?
A bunch of atheist haters on the other thread called posters “trolls” anytime they couldn’t answer a question.
You're referring to posters not wanting to answer your completely irrelevant questions about their news sources. I finally answered with my sources, The Guardian and NY Times, and then you wanted to know which reporters. Miss me with that trolling.
There’s the name calling.
You aren’t reading about Dawkins on the guardian or NYT. Total BS.
Wut? The Guardian loves Dawkins.
Last article was 3 years ago…
Good Lord. This thread is about whether DCUM’s atheists are correct to assert that most people attend religious services “for the community.” And the very first OP links to a Pew survey that shows that’s massively false.
If you want to discuss coverage of Dawkins, that’s the other thread. And the only relevant coverage for that thread is the article OP linked to, about Dawkins’ relationship to cultural Christianity.
Your obsessive interest in where people read about Dawkins is both boring and irrelevant to both these threads.
Focus, people. This thread is about DCUM’s atheists constantly asserting that people only go to church for the socializing. Pew says no, was it 80% say they go to be closer to God.
Care to comment on the thread topic?
I’m just curious why religious people obsess over him and I haven’t received a legit answer yet. Just some BS.
I’m also curious why you have misrepresented the comment from the other thread. Here was the quote:
“ I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.”
Nothing about why people go to church.
Interesting how people “of faith” can’t have a good faith discussion. Just lots of misrepresentation and projection.
As OP said, this false fact—about Christians just going to church for the donuts and company—appears on DCUM all the time, not just in that other thread. But you’re picking just one of the gazillion atheist posts with that false fact, and then you’re choosing to focus on the narrow phrase “culturally affiliated” in that one particular thread. It’s almost like you want to miss the big picture.
FYI, someone handled the cultural affiliation thing a page or so ago, but apparently you didn’t read it.
People are talking about Dawkins because some OP started a thread about him and gave a link. Also, we’ve all heard about him, wherever we get our news. Why do we need an inquest on this, because why is this so hard to understand?
Also. You can’t write a single post without abuse, can you? You make atheists look bad.
OP misrepresented what was said on the other thread. It wasn’t about going to services at all.
The person who claims they hear about him a lot on the guardian and NYT was lying.
Are you the spokesperson for every single person who believes in god(s)? No. And I’m not the spokesperson for every single person who doesn’t.
It’s time you stop misrepresenting entire threads. Here’s what OP said. “So, the people going to churches, synagogues and mosques are not just there "for the community," as DCUM's atheists tell us on the daily, most recently today.”
So OP wasn’t just talking about that one thread, she was addressing some fake facts she sees a lot from DCUM’s atheists.
And wtf about being a spokesperson for anything. Nobody claimed that.
I hope you get a good night’s sleep and come back to this discussion tomorrow with a clearer view of what’s actually being said.
No, OP started this thread specifically to address comments in that thread. Comments that were misrepresented:
A: I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.
B: Agree
C: You're wrong, quite the opposite in fact. Pew says 94% of those who attend religious services do so because they want to become closer to God.
Thread title: s/o Do People Attend Religious Services for the Religious Aspects, or for Community?”
Could that be any clearer?
OP created the thread in response to that thread and misrepresented what was said.
I’m OP and I created a thread to respond to my thread title. This is actually very simple.
You either misunderstand or intentionally misrepresented what was said.
The thread title doesn’t even call out that other thread. The OP refers to that other thread only in passing, and very clearly states this is an issue in many threads.
What exactly is your problem?
I guess you didn’t read the other thread. OP clearly wanted to move that conversation over here, while twisting what was said.
My problem are posters like OP, who either fundamentally misunderstands a discussion or intentionally misrepresents it.
As I’ve said earlier, polls suck. Who, in 2024, even answers unknown callers and takes the time to answer personal questions about religion? We can all picture exactly who that is.
I still think people belong to a religion because it’s all they’ve ever known. More of a habit than a well thought out choice.
So this is your answer: you know more about polls than Pew does. Yet apparently you don't even know most polls are now conducted online.
You're trying to derail again. Nobody is talking about why people belong to a religion.
Your question about cultural Christianity was answered. Apparently you have no reasonable counter-argument.
Why would Pew admit their polls suck? Are you familiar with Pew?
Who, in 2024, responds to random email/ads and takes the time to share their private thoughts on religion? Again, we know exactly who that looks like.
OP’s whole question is misconstruing what was said. Why do that?
Polling is a really specialized field that you apparently don't understand. But even a Stats 101 class would have informed you that stats are meaningless unless you have a representative sample. So polling firms (Gallop, Pew, others) spend tons of resources putting together panels that are representative of the entire US population, with oversampling if necessary to get statistically valid numbers of under-represented groups.
OP was spot-on. I, too, have seen weekly and even daily posts from atheists claiming that "most Christians go to church for the talk and the donuts." Who GAF what was said in what was merely the most recent iteration of that. At least we can ignore that specific bs now.
Anonymous wrote:People should stick to the topic of the thread. Every thread that is driven purposefully off topic becomes a quagmire. Intellectual discourse is great; whatever happens when threads devolve into a verbal food fights is not. People can disagree thoughtfully. That doesn’t seem to happen here often.
It’s impossible to have any sort of intellectual discussion when people like OP misconstrue and twist what was said.
OP's thread title and first post are very clear that she's talking about multiple threads. Not about that particular thread you're so obsessed about.
Move on. It's impossible to have an intellectual discussion when you're either (a) deliberately misconstruing OP's thread header, (b) not capable of understanding OP's thread header, (c) one of those unwell posters who develops an obsessive vendetta against another poster and pursues it for pages, or (d) intent on derailing.
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